Tennessee has a bill in the legislature that tries of protect its citizens from jihad as legalized by Sharia law. The local paper has responded with the same tired argument–Islam is a religion and we are bigots to try to do anything about a religion. The usual suspects are interviewed, some Muslim leader and a liberal apologist who assure us that we are immoral by trying to protect ourselves from the violence of Islamic jihad.
Knowledge can teach us what is, but wisdom allows us to see what is not there. When you read the inaccurate articles published in the papers, there is something that is absent—knowledge about the subject at hand. Instead of facts about Islam, we get “expert” opinions from those who cannot even define Islam, which goes a long way to explain why there are no facts, only viewpoints.
It is exceedingly simple. Islam is the doctrine found in the Koran, Sira (Mohammed’s biography) and the Hadith (his traditions). The Koran does not have enough information in it to be a Muslim. The bulk of Islamic doctrine is taken from the Sunna of Mohammed (found in the Sira and the Hadith). All of the Sharia is based on Koran, Sira and Hadith, the Trilogy.
And do we find even one reference to the Islamic doctrine in such opinion pieces that are found in the media? No, not one. The media can talk about jihad without ever referring once to the doctrine of jihad found in the Trilogy.
The odd fact about the Islamic doctrine is that most of it is not about how to be a Muslim, but instead, the majority of it is about the non-Muslim, the Kafir. For instance, 64% of the Koran deals with Kafirs, which is not religious in nature, since none of the Kafir doctrine can be about religion, since the Kafir is strictly excluded from any aspect of the religion of Islam. The Islamic doctrine about Kafirs is purely political, hence it is Political Islam. The long and short of it is: forget about the religion of Islam unless you are a Muslim. Keep your eye on Political Islam if you are a Kafir.
One of the ways Political Islam manifests is jihad. To show how extensive jihad is in the Trilogy, consider that 31% of the Trilogy deals with jihad. Jihad is not just a verse or two; it is a major part of the Islamic political doctrine.
But our media shows us that they do not have any access to any expertise about Islam. There are no facts, just opinions. Fact-based reasoning does not deal with personal denigration of the opponent. Anyone who does not agree with the doctrine of ignorance as found in the media, the classroom and the pulpit is a bigot. Fact-based reasoning deals with the facts of the doctrine. However, our media “pundits” and apoligists are not able to even define Islam, much less hold a fact-based discussion.
Here is the rule: if there is no mention about the Trilogy of Koran, Sira and Hadith, then it is just another opinion and is not factual. Shouldn’t we demand that our reasoning be based on facts?
Bill Warner, Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam
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Many who taute here and other places Islam claim it is not against other religions. This is a lie. Consider this statistic. 90% of all minorities have been eliminated in Islamic majority countries over the past century. There has never been such massive elimination of minorites throughout 55 countries in the history of the world. Islam majority countries have the distinction of being the worst to minorities on such a grand scale never before experienced in the wworld.
Lee Jay
Hello Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy.
It is simple; if the Prophet of Islam can marry a child, have sex with slave concubines, marry more than 9 women and divorce when he wishes; then what makes him so special?
How could Angel Gabriel get a word in when the Hadiths glorify Mohammed pleasing all his females?
Now, the Koran contradicts itself all the time and if you think that cross amputation, stoning people to death, killing people for merely leaving Islam, and so forth; means peace, then it sums up yourself.
Also, Islam believes “everything is written” but if so, then why kill an apostate because it was written?
Does this mean that the Muslim God created individuals in order that everything is written and then supports killing despite the fact that everything was written?
Either way; Islam supports killing for merely “free thinking.”
This is Islam; and you know full well that if Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, and others, wanted to debate openly in the land of Saudi Arabia that all the non-Muslims would face death for merely speaking openly.
Yes, dictatorship and power control and all in the name of an individual who was unpure.
It is madness.
Do you know anybody in your life who had more sexual encounters than Mohammed and married a child?
This is your prophet………not much to be proud about and hardly a family man.
Now go back to your copy and paste and denial, denial, and more denial.
Lee Jay
Amit
how did Rumi follow submission and duality principle and used jihad? please explain
Amit
off-springs of the soul of Muhammad.. RUMI wanted to be this as said in one of his poems
Amit
Bill Warner ..
Give me facts on this please:
Wanted to contact you. Please answer this. I m from India and after study have realised that sufis too were for islam advancement and believed in submission and duality and used many deceit tactics and some also killed people in large amounts.
Now comes Rumi. I think no islam ruler or high figure can allow Rumi or any one to just sustain if they don’t believe and islam and if they don’t believe that Rumi is helping advance islam in core – which is submission and duality.
Rumi must be knowing this. how you see his poems and his attitude brought out from islamic core – sumbit to allah and his messenger or peril and the duality concept? he wrote on love but was it duality?
i feel yes because no muslim afer knowing his own truth trained from infancy like now in madrassa will continue other forms of way which is non-islam
how rumi was clever? spread islam? please tell me on basis of your reserach concept as mentioned above surmised in two words – submission and duality
Satya
THIS IS MY LAST CONVERSATION WITH THIS SITE.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy”
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy ” December 8, 2010 @ 3:05 AM
https://politicalislam.com/self-taught/
after writing in above link:
Why the hell dr. mohsen el-guindy is still here??????????????????????????????????????
Bastards don’t keep their word!
Steve
Been away for awhile and yet I see not much has changed. Maus, I see you have questioned the good Dr. but in much civil and may I say cordial tones then I. As many have seen my back and forth with the good Dr. leaves many unanswered questions. Mostly from him. While I bring factual detailed evidence of the violent nature of Islam he begins to recite Islamic scripture. As if it will answer my questions. It only shines light on his true designs of misdirection thru smoke and mirror responses. lol.
He declares that Jesus came to pit father against son and brother against brother as the scripture states. But the good Dr. distorts the true meaning and wraps it around the shroud of hatred as to show relevance to Christianity being as violent as Islam. All of his rantings have been distortions and misdirections that creates a Mohammad of love and not the warrior of death as he eventually became. This is a tale of two Mohammads one from Meca one from Medina. This is the cloak of deception they advocate. Its to confuse and unarm the ignorant from understanding thier true designs of world dominition it’s called al-naskh wa al-mansukh. Where the Good Dr. says islam is a true loving faith the opposite actually is true. As any true Muslim knows he must abide by al-naskh wa al-mansukh and follow what Mohammad has mandated. I’m not here to change the good Dr. The evil that blinds him can not be changed. Only within his heart can he see the true evil that lurks within Islam . I’m simply here to let him know as well as others who read these posts that we see through him and his false religon. Weather he kills with the sword as his prophet says will bring mansions and vrigins in heaven or practice the art of Taqiyya by the pen they are equally evil. Islam may in fact rule the earth one day but in judgement they all will burn in the fires of their Allah.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Maus
As a matter of fact you are the only person I found reasonable in this whole site. Answering all these questions of yours and those of others consume a lot of effort and time. I have already went through dozens of your questions and I intend to answer them all. So please be patient, for I am in the middle of writing a book about salvation in Christianity and Islam, to be added to my other books in my website. Somehow I will find time for you Maus.Don’t worry, I’ll come back to you.
Mohsen
Maus
Source: http://www.aina.org/news/20110304222016.htm
(AINA) — A mob of nearly four thousand Muslims has attacked Coptic homes this evening in the village of Soul, Atfif in Helwan Governorate, 30 kilometers from Cairo, and torched the Church of St. Mina and St. George. There are conflicting reports about the whereabouts of the Church pastor Father Yosha and three deacons who were at church; some say they died in the fire and some say they are being held captive by the Muslims inside the church.
Witnesses report the mob prevented the fire brigade from entering the village. The army, which has been stationed for the last two days in the village of Bromil, 7 kilometers from Soul, initially refused to go into Soul, according to the officer in charge. When the army finally sent three tanks to the village, Muslim elders sent them away, saying that everything was “in order now.”
A curfew has been imposed on the 12,000 Christians in the village.
This incident was triggered by a relationship between 40-year-old Copt Ashraf Iskander and a Muslim woman. Yesterday a “reconciliation” meeting was arranged between the relevant Coptic and Muslim families and together with the Muslim elders it was decided that Ashraf Iskander would have to leave the village because Muslims torched his house.
The father of the Muslim woman was killed by his cousin because he did not kill his daughter to preserve the family’s honor, which led the woman’s brother to avenge the death of his father by killing the cousin. The village Muslims blamed the Christians.
The Muslim mob attacked the church, exploding 5-6 gas cylinders inside the church, pulled down the cross and the domes and burnt everything inside. Activist Ramy Kamel of Katibatibia Coptic advocacy called US-based Coptic Hope Sat TV and sent an SOS on behalf of the Copts in Soul village, as they are presently being attacked by the mob. He also said that no one is able to contact the priest and the deacons inside the burning church and there is no answer from their mobile phones.
Coptic activist Wagih Yacoub reported the mob has broken into Coptic homes and has called on Copts to leave the village. “Terrorized Copts have fled and some hid in homes of Muslim neighbors,” he added.
Witnesses said the mob chanted “Allahu Akbar” and vowed to conduct their morning prayers on the church plot after razing it.
By Mary Abdelmassih
My point here is that the West is not always to blame for Muslim conflict against Christians. Here was an incident before the Terry Jones bonehead burning that was caused by by a Christian and Muslim actually getting along.
The Muslim Mob were witnessed chanting “Allahu Akbar” which I believe to be “Allah is the Greatest” and said they planed on razing or completely destroying the Church because of the relationship.
This article flies in the face of what you have said I misunderstand.
Come on Mohsen, be my voice of reason and tell me this is not appropriate Muslim behavior! Stand up against the masses that misunderstand the Koran as you have tried to explain it to me. Please, tell me these people misunderstand the intolerance spoken of in the Koran between Muslims and the “House of War” and kafir!
Let us leave the religious differences aside and fight against the political incorrectness that these Muslims must truly misunderstand in Islam. Explain to me why no Muslims will stand against this!
Maus
Maus
After reading my posting, I thought I’d give an example of why I’d fear for my life if I were to express my beliefs in a public forum. Many others express their concern over the Koran and I would guess greatly enjoy a discussion of the various meanings and interpretations of Koranic verses.
Here is a case where Molly Norris, naive as she may have been, is now in hiding while trying to open up what might have been a good dialog between Muslims and non-Muslims. I think she should have gone about it better, maybe cartoons about getting people to read the Koran for example, but here you go with multiple sources.
http://www.seattleweekly.com/2010-09-15/news/on-the-advice-of-the-fbi-cartoonist-molly-norris-disappears-from-view/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1312941/Cartoonist-Molly-Norris-hiding-Everybody-Draw-Mohammed-Day-picture.html
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/09/seattle-cartoonist-molly-norris-goes-into-hiding-after-death-threat-over-draw-mohammed-day/1
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-09-19/news/27075825_1_awlaki-fatwa-clerics
I’m sure there are daily threats to the lives of people that attempt to explain their interpretation of the Koran no matter who they are or how they attempt to go about things. There isn’t a true open dialog between those that wish to understand Islam from a non-Muslim perspective and those that oppose free speech. I believe the political/religious attitude that I am beginning to see in the Koran is partially to blame. How can Muslims constantly play the “victim card”? I think I understand that now, free ticket to heaven.
I have a free ticket as well but it doesn’t require me to commit suicide and kill others or perform other acts of “victimhood” to get there. That is the idea I am sensing with our latest discussion.
Maus
Maus
I have looked up the statistics from the FBI for all reading this thread to see.
Source: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/incidents.html
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Religious bias
Law enforcement agencies reported 1,376 hate crimes motivated by religious bias. A breakdown of biases for these offenses showed:
* 70.1 percent were anti-Jewish.
* 9.3 percent were anti-Islamic.
* 8.6 percent were anti-other religion.
* 4.4 percent were anti-multiple religions, group.
* 4.0 percent were anti-Catholic.
* 2.9 percent were anti-Protestant.
* 0.7 percent were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc. (Based on Table 1.)
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These are the FBI statistics for 2009.
Only 9.3% were anti-Islamic, the rest against all other religions. Jewish people bearing the brunt of attacks with a whopping 70%.
Maus
Maus
I sense you are angry with me as I continue to examine your writings as the angry tone and number of swear words have increased.
It also seams that my questions are irritating you. I have a lot of questions coming to mind that just don’t make sense while reading your responses. You have inspired even more questions unfortunately. You are my Muslim representative who I am going to for answers to my questions of understanding the nature of Islam. Stop me if you wish me to try to fully respond to one of your criticisms instead of typing my first impressions into this little response box.
You stated, “Muslims never and will never burn the Bible as some Christian lunatics are doing nowadays with the Koran.”
You are correct, nobody should burn EITHER the Holy Bible or the Koran and those that do are lunatics.
I believe I showed ample evidence that what you say is false in one of my responses. There was even an example of a fatwa about using the Bible as toilet paper. You say not to believe the news, yet Muslims attack Christians (and others) because of the news and the RUMOR of Koran burning, way before the stupidity of Terry Jones. I don’t trust only one news source but I look to many new sources and they all say the same general thing, Muslims DO burn and desecrate the Bible. Please do not be naive, I know you know better. I cannot just take your word for it but have investigated other sources for myself. Muslim and other anti-Christian countries burn and destroy hundreds of Bibles every year as multiple sources can confirm by using the various internet search engines.
You stated, “To hell with free of thought or free of speech if it comes to burning the Last divine revelation to mankind, slandering the Prophet of Islam who came as a mercy to all beings, and degrading Allah, the Lord of the kingdom of Heaven and earth and the owner of the Day of accountability.”
This is what I perceive to be one of the most telling statements about Islam.
As a Christian, I can tolerate a burnt Bible because I know the Word of God and His teaching is vastly more important than ONE copy of a religious book. I have enjoyed this conversation because I believe God has inspired me to come forth and talk about these issues. The American media constantly berates Christians because it is a fad and every one loves to pick on those that are peaceful as a bully would on the playground. If you were to burn a Bible I would be offended, but not to the point of killing anyone. Culture does not excuse it but if the people were taught tolerance and the love of all people as the Bible teaches, I believe things would be better. It does not take centuries of the sword to persuade people to follow my religion when the Word of God inspires and they see the kindness Jesus taught and what a loving God there is due to his sacrifice.
Christianity does not teach that to leave Christianity is a death sentence as those that are awaiting death in Middle Eastern countries now do because they believe something else or they were accused of blasphemy against Islam.
Mohammad had a tough time of things early in the formation of Islam. He did not gather many followers until he left Mecca. When he became more warlike due to the revelations of Allah, by my understanding, is when Islam gained thousands of followers. This is not something I wish to debate as I believe the history is presented in the Sunnah and in other books better that I stated it.
Islam SHOULD embrace free speech so we CAN have these dialogs but in a public setting where I would not fear for my life if someone thought my questions were against the Koran and blasphemous against Mohammad instead of an attempt at better understanding. Why should people not be able to question ideas and politics when the good ideas and politics will be the ones accepted as right and good without the threat of punishment by people who misunderstand?
There are hundreds of disgraceful pictures about the “Prophet Jesus” as you would call him. If Islam truly believes he is a sacred prophet, why are there no Muslims defending Jesus as a prophet of Allah? Should it really matter He was not the “last prophet”? I can guess why, there are many verses in the Koran that describe non-Muslims as less than human. Why defend those people and their beliefs if they are less than human.
You state, “When the Christians criticize the Koran because it is not chronologically arranged, they have in mind their gospels written by human authors. They deliberately forget that the author of the Koran is not the illiterate Muhammad, but Allah, the Creator who challenged the pagan Arabs, the most eloquent people in their time to bring something similar, but they failed. The divine eloquence they read made them accuse Muhammad with sorcery. And a big portion of them entered Islam in groups after they read the divine Koran.”
But was it not Uthman, 20 years after Mohammad’s death, that gathered all the fragments of the Koran that Mohammad spoke and created a unified version of the Koran based on those fragments and the memorization of humans? The Koran seems to be based on human memory and the writing ability of others since Mohammad could not write down Allah’s words directly. That is no knock against Mohammad but a direct response to you saying the Bible is not accurate because multiple people wrote the books. Did not the verses of the Koran have a timeline to them as Mohammad spoke them through time? Why would Uthman rearrange the chapters if that is not the order Mohammad spoke them? Why would he destroy those sacred fragments after his version of the Koran was complete?
Even non-Christians would be confused at the ordering of the Koran. It is not just a Christian issue. Do not take me for a fool as I am not ignorant as the Koran states (6:111). If you were to rearrange the chapters of any story book not by some timeline but by length of the chapter or the number of words, would the story not be confusing to read from front to back? I find that a weak argument. You cannot separate the Koran from the Sunnah because the Sunnah is the key to unlocking the Koran. Without it you would not know the order of the verses and which verses were stronger than others, i.e. abrogated. That is logical in my mind.
You state, “Muslims have been ordered by their religion to defend their countries against foreign occupation and die as martyrs while fighting against the enemy. The recompense of martyrdom in Islam is great (heaven without accountability). This is why Muslims fight back severely, not willing only to win but also to die.”
Is that why there are constant fingers pointing at the West or Christians or Jews in order to justify “war” for martyrdom? In Islam the only guaranteed way to get to heaven is to die by going to war for Allah, you just said so. Does it not make sense to instigate “defensive” wars against “perceived” insults so that you can war with others and get a free ticket to heaven? Are not Muslims quick to anger as Mohammad was quick to anger for that very reason? That is what I am hearing in your response.
I believe that Islam is not a violent religion just because there are some violent verses in the Koran, but because that is the only way to heaven without judgment of works. Your statements have cleared that up and I thank you.
You said, “Those christians killed are the responsibility of the hate mongers like terry Johns and the like.”
No, those deaths are the responsibility of those that killed them. Take some responsibility for the way Muslims are treating others in the name of starting conflict. Again, excusing it because of culture is a weak argument and I don’t buy it. Are there Christians killing Muslims in the United States in retaliation to the deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia and other predominantly Muslim nations? No. In fact according to FBI statistics, there are way fewer hate crimes against Muslims than there are against Jews or Christians in the U.S. Please, look it up for yourself.
Please, you were so polite before and now you are swearing and getting upset. I want to continue my discussion on matters but I fear you will leave out of anger.
Could you post a link to Christian attacks against Muslims where the Christians where assaulting Muslims because of their faith or chanting “Jesus is Lord” or something. I find it extremely hard to validate your statements on that point because I can find no sources for your statement.
Maus
Maus
Just looking around today:
http://pakistanchristianconcern.com/trauma-grips-survivors-of-church-blast-in-alexandria-egypt/
http://www.meforum.org/2872/koran-christian-persecution
How about Bible Burning:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html
http://www.speroforum.com/a/17283/Muslims-burn-Bible-in-Pakistan
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/muslim-boys-urinated-on-bible/story-e6frg6nf-1111112640400
http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE6940HY20101005
My point here is that there have been Bible burnings by Muslims in the past and in numerous countries and times. I’m sorry that I cannot accept that the West is responsible for all of the problems in the world or with Muslims, because there should be someone who stands up and says that Muslims deserve some share of the blame. I would really be impressed if that someone was Muslim.
This was interesting, I didn’t know this and given the light that the Koran believes the Holy Bible is the word of God:
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2010/09/defecation-torah-new-testament
Unfortunately, someone retaliated to the offense by asking for something inappropriate. It looks to me like that fatwa was a purposeful instigation of hate between Muslims and Christians/Jews or the very least treating other religions as less than valid. Can you defend that fatwa please? That is now part of Sharia Law, is it not? How is that any different than burning the Bible?
Part of me sees what Steve was trying to do with his publications of articles to act as a counterpoint to your arguments. It was very unfortunate that things devolved as they did as I believe there is some real good discussion at the heart of it. That’s why I jumped in. My point with my inclusions of links here is to show you what I see and what causes me to wonder how that is justified. You cannot always say it’s the West’s fault.
Is it my fault for Terry Jones? No, I don’t think so. He made his own choice by not following what he knows is right. I don’t believe Christianity advocates treating others so disrespectfully. Is it your fault about specific hate acts by self professed Islamic groups? No, I don’t think so since you seem like a level-headed person and treats others with some amount of patience.
Here’s a story I heard or read recently, greatly shortened ( I wish I remembered the source):
A Christian pastor and Muslim imam had been friends for 20+ years, having weekly talks about all things including religion and politics. One day the pastor said to the imam that he valued his friendship and considered him a true friend. He asked “I know the Koran says to kill all the infidels, but given the chance considering our friendship, would you kill me, a long trusted friend?” “In a heartbeat.” replied the imam.
I’m inclined to believe that story. If you actually met me and knew my beliefs, plus had the opportunity to practice that aspect of Islam in a Islamic controlled country, would you kill me? My opinion is that the answer would be “yes” and that is what I am hoping you can try and discredit. Unfortunately that is the impression you are trying to battle. I want to have faith in all of God’s people even though I know better.
As of my reading to date, I am under the impression that this website is on to something. I believe there is a large political agenda with Islam due to the vast differences between treatment of Muslims and non-Muslims in predominantly Muslim countries and communities all justified by the Koran and Sunnah as seen in Sharia Law. I just finished reading “Sharia Law for Non-Muslims” and again it paints a compelling case against Islam using the Koran and Mohammad’s own words and actions.
A question: Have you read the material presented on this site? Using the words of the Koran and Mohammad, the author makes a truly compelling argument on the nature of the political aspects of Islam.
Perhaps we can address that instead of religious differences.
The more we talk, the more questions I have about the nature of Islam.
Maus
Maus
Note: to the website administrators, I am sorry I am referencing an outside source but in my limited experience, I don’t know how else to respond other than some of my sources.
Quickly, I believe in only one God but I think your concept of the “trinity” is flawed. http://www.answering-islam.org/Morin/trinity.html
Next, I have much to digest but I do think that I can begin to see what fruit each tree produces. I admit there are some bad apples from all trees. I get confused over religious “no compulsion in religion” but at the same time a political “kill all infidels” concept. I can find the direct sources, but I know you can see my conceptual confusion.
I have sadness in my heart that there are misguided fruits of the Muslim tree (Islamic State of Iraq) that can enter a church on Oct 31, 2010 and kill a congregation of Christians in the midst of worship in Iraq. I’m sure there can be some denial of the motivations of those individuals (money or some kind of “instigation” by others or the “it’s the West’s fault”), but since an Islamic group claimed responsibility, that made me wonder what the other political teachings of Islam were. Here I am, searching the internet for answers because that event shook my conceptions of Islam. I am here because I picked up an abridged Koran to read it in the historical order and find the truth of Islam and its politics. I am understanding that Islam is both a religion and political entity. Not strictly religious like Christianity.
On the other hand, as a Christian I totally disagree with the Florida pastor that advocates burning the Koran. I think the more people that read the Koran, the better as they can draw their own conclusions. But I ask this: how come there are not any Christian attacks on Mosques and Muslims over the burning of Holy Bibles? I see burning and destroying Bibles in the news as well but there are no followup attacks to such disgraces.
You are correct, the Koran is easy to understand in a lot of places. But if you say my conceptions are incorrect, how can they be correct to the masses of people in poor countries that use Koran verses out of context to instigate conflict and piracy between Muslims and non-Muslims? I believe I can grasp underlying context and be critical of what I read because I, like you, have the privilege of a college education but there are so many that do not have that opportunity and read things as they are, exactly.
How should I read the “sword verse”? http://answering-islam.org/Silas/swordverse.htm
I see people that, after reading your responses, must misunderstand the teachings of Islam because they refuse to give Christians aid during the Pakistan floods of 2010. How can I conclude that I can turn to some Muslims for help if I become in need since I am non-Muslim AND in the “House of War”. As a non-Muslim, that concept confuses me because I don’t believe people should be divided into a group that is labeled as a group to be warred upon by a religion in such an open ended way as in Sura 9.
I am trying to understand how the political entity of Islam can treat non-Muslims with such contempt.
I do not wish to try and distill the religious comparison between Islam and Christianity as it is well documented at answering-islam.org and at best, since I agree with some of the comparisons at that website from my own research, I would only be using some of that information to help in my response to your attack on my faith.
Objections to the concept of trinity: http://www.answering-islam.org/Morin/trinity.html
Christian scriptures are true according to the Koran: http://answering-islam.org/Green/onbible.htm
You said yourself that the Koran confirms the truth of the Holy Bible.
And We have sent down to thee the Book with the truth, confirming the Book (Torah and Gospel) that was before it, and guarding it… (Al-Maidah, 48).
The Bible as been proven to not have been altered from the original sources that predate Islam. (Christian Reply to Muslim Objections – W St. Clair Tisdall)
I am grateful at having such a well read Muslim defender to attempt to answer my questions. Please do not take any offense at my questions since I am just starting my journey to understanding how political Islam truly is. Unfortunately just as you are true to your religion, so too am I stubborn to budge from what I believe to be the true religion.
Maybe we can start a new conversation with these questions:
1. Why are there so many Muslims that use the Koran to justify treating non-Muslims so differently? I think I read somewhere that in Sharia Law, it is okay for a Muslim to kill a non-Muslim without penalty but if a Muslim were killed a penalty is placed upon the offender.
2. Explain why changing from Islam to another religion is punishable by death yet you have “no compulsion of religion”. I don’t understand how you can say you have no compulsion in religion yet instill fear if a person chooses something other than Islam.
I am sorry I cannot properly answer your posts. I feel compelled to answer partially as I start reading your responses.
Maus
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Maus
Now Maus, assuming that you have read my previous post, you should realize that Allah is One and must be worshipped as one God not three. In other words, on the Day of Resurrection Allah will never accept a Man or a woman standing before Him saying, “Allah (God) I have worshipped you as one in three or three in one.” On that Mighty Day Allah will never look at the deeds of his servants if good or bad if His servants hadn’t worshipped him alone. Worshipping Him alone is a pre-requiste for Allah to consider the good deeds of His servants in order to admit them to paradise. Good deeds without believing in the oneness of Allah ( pure Islamic monotheism) and worshipping Him alone without associating with Him any partners, wii be like ashes or dust blown by the wind.
Now let’s move to your questions:
1- Who said that Muslims murder people while saying Allah is Great? Don’t take your information from the biased media which had already poisoned the brains of the Aamericans. In Afghanistan for example, the Afghanis will fight the foreign forces until the end because they consider them as invaders. As long as the Afghanis’ soil is occupied by foreign forces, the pretext that these forces are there to settle peace or establish freedom or democracy is bullshit. This same situation applies to all Muslim countries under any forreign occupation. Muslims have been ordered by their religion to defend their countries against foreign occupation and die as martyrs while fighting against the enemy. The recompense of martyrdom in Islam is great (heaven without accountability). This is why Muslims fight back severely, not willing only to win but also to die.
Muslims were also ordered to defend their religion. When the Koran was burned or defiled, their reaction might be unpredictable, because it differs from one Islamic culture to another. Whatever the results may be, the question arises, “Why Muslims were provoked in the first place by burning the sacred Book they live by! It is unacceptable to see some morons claiming that burning few pages does not equal killing innocent people! The Koran is not just an ordinary book, it is the last Word of Allah addressed to all His creation, and on the Day of Judgement every human being will be responsible for every commandment Allah decreed in the Koran for His servants to follow.
When I was just a kid in the 1950s, watching American cartoons, the bad guy was always an Arab with a black bandage on his left eye, and a sword in his hand running after a westenner to kill him. This ugly and untrue stereotype was inserted by the media into the American mind since the late 1940s. The reason for such ugly stereotype was the occupation of the Israelis of the Palestinian land in 1948. It was important for them to represent the Arabs as savages willing to kill everything unislamic. This will ensure international donations to the poor Israelis whom the savage Arabs want to throw them into the sea.
2- During the course of discussion with Steve, he wanted to show me that Islam is a violent religion by taking some Koranic verses talking about war out of their context. I explained to him the facts behind these wars which were ordered by Allah in order for the Prophet to fight his enemy and spread Islam in a very hostile environment. But he opposed and illogically rtejected. Therefore, in order to show him that this kind of debate is worthless and not scientific I decided to adopt his same procedure.
I borrowed several verses about war from the Old and New Tastements talking about rape, murder, genocide, and racism. In the course of discussing the same subject I showed him statistically that the deaths resulting from the Christian world over the ages amounted to 400 million deaths compared with only 10 million from the Islamic world. He was dumbfounded of course, but I added, “Would I because of all this I consider Christianity as a violent religion? Of course not, because this killing was coming from Christians who don’t adhere to the true teachings of Jesus. As for the evil verses found in the Torah and the Gospel, we Muslims think that the present Bibles are the result of curtailments and additions from their authors and hence, do not represent the true teachings of Jesus. However, we know from the Koran that Jesus is true, the Gospel is true, and above all, the Koran told us what Jesus exactly said to the his disciples and to the Children of Israel.
3- The Koran is clear by itself. You can understand it without knowing much of Muhammad’s life. Some events which happened to the Prophet during his mission were mentioned in the Koran. Only these events, which are relatively few, can be attached to their relevant verses in the Koran.The Sunnah explains in detail what the Koran touched in brief. The Prophet for example explained for Muslims how to pray five times a day, while the Koran just touched such issue in brief. The Koran is therefore a complete code of life for all people to read and comprehend, the Sunna however is only explanatory.
4- Islam is never to be compared with Christianity. Although both religions preached Islam (Pure monotheism) – the only religion Allah will accept on the Day of Jidgement – the mission of Jesus was only limited to 3 years, while that of Muhammad lasted 23 years. Jesus came to make reconciliation between the human soul and the Creator, and to compel the Children of Israel to abide by the law which the Israelites had abundoned a long time ago. Muhammad came for a greater task. He came to establish the kingdom of Allah on earth and re-establish the concept of Allah’s Oneness (Islamic monotheism), the religion of his father Abraham. Jesus came with a Book which was after him adulterated, then published as several books each had a human author. This matter however, led to the addition of several superstitions of old to the original teachings of Jesus (a truine God, Jesus is God or son of God, vicarious atonement, Jesus crucifixion, original sin, etc.).
Muhammad brought a Book that was guarded by Allah until the Day of judgement, a code of conduct dealing with all aspects of life – social, political, inheritance, men and women rights, marriage, divorce, transaction, economics, conduct, war, murder, theft etc. By orders from Allah and with divine help, Muhammad launched wars to defend his religion and protect his companions, and to spread Islam all over the Arabian penynsula, and from there it spread to the four corners of the world.
In Islam there is no compulsion in religion. Men and women had been given the free choice to either believe or not to. But those who chose to disbelieve will have much to answer on the Day of Judgement.
5- The Koran is the final revelation of the will of Almighty God to all of mankind, which was conveyed through the Angel Gabriel, in Arabic, to the Prophet Muhammad in its sounds, words and meanings.
IThe Koran was conveyed by ArchAngel Gabriel, the same angel who had conveyed Allah”s revelations to his earlier prophets, including Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Prphet Muhammad received this first revelation at the age of 40 in 610 A.D.
The prophet received the revelations on various matters, ideas, knowledge, instructions, advice and guidance over 23 years. Sometimes the Prophet received a single verse, sometimes a few verses together and sometimes an entire chapter.
Allah says: “We have rehearsed the Quran to thee (O Muhammad) in slow, well-arranged stages gradually.” (25:32)
Upon receiving each revelation, the Prophet asked any one of his companions who could read and write to record it. This was done by the Prophet reciting the revelation he had received from God and a scribe taking it down. After the scribe had taken down what had been dictated to him (on the writing material of those days), the Prophet asked the scribe to read aloud what he had recorded – to make sure that he had recorded correctly what had been dictated to him.
In this way, the entire Quran, 114 chapters in all, was completed in manuscript form before the Prophet’s death. The various chapters in the Quran were arranged by the Prophet himself through divine guidance. The chapters of the Quran are not arranged in chronological order but in the order of divine preferance.
The Koran’s method of approach and presentation is unique, for it never deals chronoligically with a topic in the systematic way used by any other author of theology. On the contrary, it expressly says that it has adopted a special manifold method of its own. That is, the display of varieties of topics and the shifting from one subject to another, and then the reverting to the previous one and repeating the same subject with deliberation and purpose. It uses unique rhythmic forms of recitation to facilitate the understanding, and the remembering of it.
As we read in the Koran:
“Behold how We turn about the signs, that they may understand. (Al-An’am, 65).
The arrangement of the Koranic verses is however, something rather peculiar to the Koran. Revelations of various dates and on different subjects are to be found together in one sura; verses of Madina revelation are found in Makkan suras; some of the Madinan suras, though of late revelation, are placed first and the very early Makkan suras at the end. The arrangement however, is not haphazard, as some have hastily supposed. Closer study reveals a sequence and significance – as for instance, with regard to the placing of the very early Makkan suras at the end.
The order of the suras therefore, does not reflect the chronological order of the Koranic verses, nor does the sura structure reflect the nature of the original Koranic revelation. During his lifetime, Muhammad would have individual verses revealed to him, these revelations occurred unexpectedly and in surprising places. The Prophet and his companions would memorize the revealed verses, and under the guidance of Gabriel the Prophet organized these verses into the existing suras. The intervention of Gabriel in organizing the various verses was meant to guarantee not only the sanctity of the individual verses, but also the religious validity of the organization of these verses in the Koran.
Such divine structure, miraculously makes the Koran very easy to understand and memorize.
When the Christians criticize the Koran because it is not chronologically arranged, they have in mind their gospels written by human authors. They deliberately forget that the author of the Koran is not the illiterate Muhammad, but Allah, the Creator who challenged the pagan Arabs, the most eloquent people in their time to bring something similar, but they failed. The divine eloquence they read made them accuse Muhammad with sorcery. And a big portion of them entered Islam in groups after they read the divine Koran.
Miraculously, although the Koran was so reach in eloquence, it was made very simple to understand and memorize by those well versed in Arabic, the iliterates, and the common!
Books arranged chronologically are those written by human mind, because this is how the human mind think. When it comes to Allah the matter is totally different.
Saying that Christians can only have to look at the Bible to learn how to live according to God’s plan because the Bible is ordered in chronological fashion and the Books of the Bible were written by numerous authors with different viewpoints in history inspired by the Word of God, is in fact a very serious matter. This is how the Christians justify the discrepancies found in their books. They allowed the Word of God to Jesus to be manipulated to the extent of having several books each having different opinions, additions and curtailments that drastically changed the original word of Allah and the authentic teachings of Jesus. The Word of Allah must be followed blindly and not to be left to the opinions of people.
The Christian scholars themselves admitted that 25% of the present gospel of Paul are the words of Jesus while the remaining 75% are the words of Paul. They further added that Paul is the real founder of present Christianity and not Jesus. And what Paul did to the original teachings of Jesus? He introduced the fables of old i.e. Trinity, truine God, vicarious atonement, Jesus crucifixion, original sin etc. this is why the Koran came to correct and amend, and warn all people for the last time that Allah, the Lord of creation is One, and is the only god to be worshipped (pure Islamic monotheism).
6- Saying that the Christians do not form mobs and kill Muslims when Muslims burn the Bible is untrue. Muslims never and will never burn the Bible as some Christian lunatics are doing nowadays with the Koran. You know why? Because, although Muslims believe that the present bibles are adulterated, They still believe that they contain a small portion of the true words of Jesus. They also believe in the authentic Bible of Jesus that was in the possession of his disciples and their followers before the emergence of Paul 70 years after the departure of Jesus and did what he did. Also, the Koran honor Jesus and his mother Mary. Muslims believe in the teachings of Jesus that were mentioned only in the Koran.
Allah says in the Koran:
And We have sent down to thee the Book with the truth, confirming the Book (Torah and Gospel) that was before it, and guarding it… (Al-Maidah, 48).
This verse is understood within the fact that after the corruption of the older revelations, the Koran come with a twofold purpose (1) to confirm the true and original Messaage (Torah, Gospel), and (2) to guard it, or act as a check to its interpretation. The Koran safeguards the old revelations, for it has preserved within it the teachings of all former books. It watches over these Books in the sense that it will not let their true teachings to be lost. It supports and upholds these Books in the sense that it corroborated the Word of Allah which has remained intact in them. It stands as a witness because it bears testimony to the Word of Allah contained in these Books and help to sort it out from the interpretations and commentaries of the people which were mixed with it: what is confirmed by the Koran is the Word of Allah and what is against it is that of the people.
Don’t take any information from the biased news or even from a website like this. Look after the truth for yourself. Search and learn. The Day of accountability is near and we must be ready for this day.
You say Muslims kill the Christians everywhere! Wrong, because provocation comes from the West, burning the Koran may lead to disasterous events according to the cultures of Muslims living in different parts in the world. Those living a primitive tribal life could respond viciously like what happened in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Those christians killed are the responsibility of the hate mongers like terry Johns and the like. Don’t accuse Muslims of killing and forget the burning, and the defiling of the Koran; the slandering of the Prophet of Islam, and degrading the Creator Allah (Moon god etc). Unfortunately however,all this insolence and acts of blasphemy are made under the pretext of free of speech. You want my opinion? To hell with free of thought or free of speech if it comes to burning the Last divine revelation to mankind, slandering the Prophet of Islam who came as a mercy to all beings, and degrading Allah, the Lord of the kingdom of Heaven and earth and the owner of the Day of accountability.
What is left is your question regarding the explanation of the Koranic verses you thought are urging Muslims to kill non-Muslims. I went through them and none of them indicate what you have in mind. This could be a subject matter of a future coversation
Maus
Mohsen,
You have me at an extreme disadvantage. It will take me some time to digest what you have written and attempt to respond in the next day or so. I have not attempted a Christian apologetic or debate on Islamic ideology.
With the hundreds of Islamic apologetic pages that you have, I am obviously not as prepared as you on these topics. Since it looks like the majority of writing you have on your website is decidedly for Christians to convert them to Islam, you could possibly have a better religious discussion with people such as answering-islam.org on the matters of religion and the differences between Islam and Christianity. I would be interested in reading that discourse.
My original goal was to understand how one ideology can be so prone to violent action while other ideologies and religions are not, i.e. why is there so much Muslim violence verse Christians lately. It seems that God has other plans for me as He did Jonah and I am now drawn into this debate.
I will attempt an answer to your previous post but please be patient with me while I collect my thoughts and do some research for a more comprehensive response. It will probably be more ideological in nature than religious, but I’m sure God has other plans for me and I will inject some passages from the Holy Bible in there as needed to explain my views. If you could wait until that post to respond, that would be appreciated, so we don’t get two threads going at the same time. If you do respond before that time, that is fine and I will do my best to respond to that one as well.
One thing I do disagree with and can be responded to quickly and I will attempt to detail more in the next response is…
You had written “It is not of Him at all to come later and change His mind, and change his ways.” and quoted a specific Bible verse, Samuel 15:22.
This to me is interesting because that is precisely the thing the Koran does in my view. Surah 2:106 states “Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything? ” My understanding that those verses that come later in the Koran are the ones to follow and not the earlier commands. The later verses have substituted something better and more appropriate to be followed. That’s what I see as the definition of abrogation in the Koran. This confused me at first because I did not understand how the Koran was organized. I have since found the appropriate resources to order the Koran so I know the stronger verses vs the weak ones.
I don’t believe I am taking Surah 2:106 out of context. Forgive the ‘cut and paste’ but these bits that I found on abrogation were very enlightening to me that it is in response to Koranic changes and not the Holy Bible as people have warned would be a response to abrogation. These passages might be able to lead others to look into these as well and add to the discussion.
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Tafsir al-Jalalayn
Re: Sura 2:106
“When the disbelievers began to deride the matter of abrogation, saying that one day Muhammad enjoins his Companions to one thing and then the next day he forbids it, God revealed: And whatever verse (mÄ is the conditional particle), that has been revealed containing a judgement, We abrogate, either together with its recital or not [that is only its judgement, but its recital continues]; there is a variant reading, nunsikh, meaning ‘[Whatever verse] We command you or Gabriel to abrogate’, or postpone, so that We do not reveal the judgment contained in it, and We withhold its recital or retain it in the Preserved Tablet; a variant reading [of nunsi’hÄ] is nunsihÄ, from ‘to forget’: so ‘[Whatever verse We abrogate] or We make you forget, that is, We erase from your heart’; the response to the conditional sentence [begun with mÄ] is: We bring [in place] a better, one that is more beneficial for [Our] servants, either because it is easier [to implement] or contains much reward; or the like of it, in terms of religious obligation and reward; do you not know that God has power over all things?, including abrogating and substituting [verses]? (the interrogative here is meant as an affirmative).”
Tafsir Ibn Abbas
Re: Sura 2:106
“Then Allah mentions what was abrogated of the Qur’an and that which was not abrogated, as a direct reference to the claim of the Quraysh who said to the Prophet: O Muhammad! Why do you command us to do something and then forbid it, saying: (Such of Our revelations as We abrogate) We do not erase a verse that was acted upon before and which is now not acted upon (or cause to be forgotten) or leave unabrogated so that it is acted upon, (We bring one better) We send Gabriel with that which more profitable and easier to act upon (or the like) in reward, benefit and action. (Knowest thou not) O Muhammad (that Allah is Able to do all things?) of the abrogated and unabrogated.”
Tafsir Ibn Kathir:
Re: Sura 16:101 (and Sura 2:106)
“…When they saw that some rulings had been changed by being abrogated, they said to the Messenger of Allah :
(You are but a forger) meaning one who tells lies. But Allah is the Lord Who does whatever He wills, and rules as He wants.
(And when We change a verse (of the Qur’an) in place of another) Mujahid said: this means, “We remove one and put another in its place.” Qatadah said: this is like the Ayah:
(Whatever verse We change [abrogate] or omit [the abrogated]…)” (2:106). Allah said, in response to them:”
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
Re: Sura 16:101
“And when We exchange a verse in place of a [different] verse, by abrogating it and revealing another, for the welfare of [God’s] servants ” and God knows best what He reveals ” they say, that is, the disbelievers [say] to the Prophet (s): ‘You are just a fabricator’, a liar, making it up yourself. Nay, most of them do not know, the true nature of the Qur’Än and the benefit [to God’s servants] of abrogation.”
Tafsir Ibn Abbas
Re: Sura 16:101
“(And when We put a revelation) when We send Gabriel with an abrogating verse (in place of (another) revelation) in place of another abrogated verse, (and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth) and Allah knows the probity of that with which He commands His servants, (they say) the disbelievers of Mecca say: (Lo! thou art but inventing) from yourself, O Muhammad. (Most of them know not) that Allah commands His servants with that which is good for them.”
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After reading these responses to abrogation in searching for a better understanding, I feel I now have a better view on why you can say 2 conflicting things and mean them both. Simplisticly, you can say there is freedom of religion and also say the penalty for apostasy is death, i.e. you are free to believe what you wish but if you are non-Muslim you die. Both are Koranically true. My problem is that the death penalty for apostasy is a stronger verse and the prefered verse than the freedom of religion one.
In a way, I am looking forward to researching and writing up my response, specifically in the reasons I see how there is justification in the Muslim conflict with Christians that I see on the news almost every day.
Thank you for your patience and please be patient with me.
Maus
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Maus
I liked your post, you seem willing to understand and not to reject or oppose without reason. The misunderstanding of the Christians regarding Islam is in fact due to either ignorance of Islam or intentional opposition based on hatred and unjustified stubborness.
The religion of Islam is clear to every seeker after the truth who wants to learn about Islam. Muslims will never be apolegitic about their religion. What Allah said is already there in the Korand which Allah preserved it from corruption until the Day of Judgement, and what Muhammad said is there in the well guarded authentic Sunna.
One of the biggest mistakes the Christians fall into is that they look at Islam from the Christian perspective: Jesus said turn the other cheek to your enemy, but Muhammad launched wars against his opponents; Islam is a violent religion while Christianity is a peaceful one etc. They neglect the fact that the ministry of Jesus lasted only 3 years while that of Muhammad lasted 23 years. Jesus came to the lost sheep of the Children of Israel but Muhammad came with a universal religion to the whole world. Jesus urged people to strive to improve themselves while Muhammad brought a completed code of conduct dealing with all aspects of life. A conduct that all people will be responsible for in the Day of Judgement.
Muhammad brought glad tidings to the believers, but he was also a last warner to the unbelievers. Because Islam is a universal religion, all people of the world must take heed and be alert to what the Koran and the Prophet said. No other sacred Book will come after the Koran, the next appointment will not be with another Prophet, but with Allah. The resurrection of everyone of us in this world is his death, and after death, no one can come back to life and do good deeds. The Koran which is mocked at by the ignorants and burned by the lunatics is a wheighty Word, it is a decisive Message it is no pleasantry.
I t is amazing to see that the Christians of today who are attacking Islam by taking the Koranic verses out of their contexts in order to deliberately misguide their people, neglect the verses that came to warn them of a Mighty day if they don’t adhere to the true teachings of Jesus that were adulterated in the gospels written by several human authors!
So Maus, before I answer your questions in a next post, I want you to read carefully what the Koran said about the true teachings of Jesus that were violated in the present gospels.
The word Islam means, “surrender” to the will of God, Allah. Since there is only one God and mankind is one species, the religion that God has ordained for human beings is one. So why the different religions?
God in His mercy had sent messengers to convey His message, to different peoples, in different times. Each prophet came with guidance and miracles that were relevant for his time, and for his people, but the message was the same: That there is only one God, and worship is for him alone. This “Islam” was the religion brought by all the prophets of God. Islam was the religion of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them all). God has in His Grace, addressed this issue to man in His final revelation, the Noble Quran.
“Seek they other than the religion of God, when unto Him submits whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and unto Him they will be returned.
Say: We believe in God and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and his sons, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between them, and unto Him we have surrendered.”
(Quran 3:83-84)
“And for every nation there is a messenger.”
(Quran 10:48)
“And we sent Noah unto his people (and he said): O my people! Serve God. You have no other god save Him. Will you not ward off evil?”
(Quran 23:23)
Man was to follow each prophet when he came, till the advent of another prophet. Since these messengers were sent only for their people and their time, mankind has since tampered with those previous revelations (Torah, Gospel etc), and the message of those respective prophets has been perverted, leaving behind much confusion and hearsay:
“And lo! There is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that you may think what they say is from the Scripture when it is not. And they say: It is from God, when it is not from God; and they speak a lie concerning God knowingly.”
(Quran 3:78)
Consequently, Allah has sent the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as His last messenger to mankind. This implies that he must come with a complete and clear guidance,and a clear proof, for all humanity and all times till the Last Day. Otherwise the message is void. Also, the message must be confirming the previous messengers of before. The revelation, guidance, and miracle Muhammad received is the Quran.
“O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), now has our messenger come unto you to make things plain after a break in ( the series of) Messengers, lest you should say: There came not unto us a bringer of glad tidings and a warner. And Allah is able to do all things.(Al-Maidah, 19).
Prophets after prophets came to reclaim lost humanity. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came with the final Message that perfected Islam. The message contains the teachings of all the previous messengers, and in addition, it contains what must be followed in all aspects of life until the Judgement Day. Prophet Muhammad has been sent for all mankind. Thus there will be no other messenger after him.
“Nothing is said to thee (Muhammad) save what was said unto the messengers before thee.”
(Quran 41:43)
“He is the Messenger of God and the Seal of the Prophets. And God is Aware of all things.”
(Quran 33:40)
Muslims believe in the Absolute Oneness of Allah, who is a Supreme Being free of human limitations, needs and wants. He has no partners in His Divinity. He is the Creator of everything and is completely separate of His creation, and all worship is to be directed to him alone. This was the Message brought by all Prophets of Allah, including Jesus followed by Muhammad, the seal of the Prophets.
Prophet Muhammad emphasized the importance of Jesus by saying:
“Whoever believes there is no God but Allah, alone without partner, that Muhammad is His Messenger, that Jesus is a servant and Messenger of Allah, his word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating form Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by Allah into Heaven. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol. 4, Hadith No. 64).
According to the early religious scholars from among the companions of the Prophet and their students, there is a rule to distinguish between the two nouns in the genitive construction: 1) when one of the two nouns is Allah and the other is a person or a thing, e.g. Allah’s house; Allah’s Messenger; Allah’s slave; Allah’s spirit; the rule for the above words is that the second noun, e.g. house, Messenger, slave or spirit is created by Allah and is honorable in His Sight. Similarly, Allah’s spirit may be understood as the spirit of Allah, in fact it is a soul created by Allah, i.e. Jesus. And it was His Word: ‘Be!’ – And he was i.e. Jesus was created like Adam.
2) When one of the two nouns is Allah and the second is neither a person nor a thing, then it is not a created thing but is a quality of Allah e.g. Allah’s knowledge; Allah’s life; Allah’s statement, Allah’s self.
No other religion in the world dignifies Jesus as Islam does. The Koran confirms his virgin birth, and Mary is considered to have been one of the purest women in all creation. The Koran describes Jesus’ birth as follows:
“Behold!’ the angel said, Allah has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. Mary, Allah gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allah. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and he shall be of the righteous. She said: ‘My Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?’ He said: ‘Even so; Allah creates what He will. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.” (Al-Imran 42-47).
“Behold! The angels said, ‘Oh Mary! Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company) those nearest to Allah. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity.
He shall be (in the company) of the righteous”and Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel”‘ (Al-Imran 45-48).
The Koran teaches that Jesus was born immaculately, and through the same power which had brought Adam into being without a father or a mother.
“Truly, the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, ‘Be!’ and he was.” (Al-Imran, 59).
During Jesus Prophetic mission, he performed many miracles.
“I have come to you with a sign from your Lord” I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by Allah’s leave. (Al-Imran, 49).
The Koran tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic Message which was taught by all previous Prophets who came before him: shun every false god and worship only the one true God, Allah.
“When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: ‘Now I have come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which you dispute. Therefore, fear Allah and obey me. Allah, He is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him – this is a straight path.’ But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement. So woe to the wrongdoers, from the penalty of a grievous Day!” (Az-Zukhruf 63-65).
Jesus came to confirm that which was before him of the Torah.
“To attest the Law which was before me, and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden you; I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me.” (Al-Imran, 50).
Jesus and Muhammad, as well as all other Prophets were sent to confirm the belief in one Lord, Allah. As indicated in the Koran, Jesus said to his people:
“Truly, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (alone). This is the straight path.” (Al-Imran, 51).
Jesus never claimed any qualities of divinity, nor did he claim that he deserved to be worshipped. He did not say that he was the son of Allah (God) or part of the trinity, but rather that he was only the servant of Allah sent to the Jews to bring them back to the Law, the true religion of Moses, which instructed people to worship only the one God and follow His instructions. Allah says in the Koran:
“He (Jesus) said: ‘I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me revelation and made me a Prophet; He had made me blessed wheresoever I be; and He has enjoined on me prayer and charity as long as I live. He has made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable. So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!’ Such was Jesus the son of Mary. It is a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be’ and it is.” (Maryam 30-35).
The Koran states that Jesus was only taken as an object of worship as a result of lies which people invented against him. Allah narrates of Jesus in the Koran:
“They are unbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, Mary’s son.’
For the Messiah said, ‘Children of Israel, serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Verily whoso associates with Allah anything, Allah shall prohibit him entrance to Paradise, and his refuge shall be the Fire; and wrongdoers shall have no helpers.’ (Al-Maidah, 72).
In this connection, the Prophet of Islam said, “Whoever dies while still invoking anything other than Allah as a rival to Allah, will enter Hell.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari, vol. 6, Hadith No. 24).
Allah says about the doctrine of ‘trinity’:
They are unbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the third of three.’ No God is there but one God.
If they refrain not from what they say, there shall afflict those of them that disbelieve a painful chastisement.
Will they not turn to Allah and pray His forgiveness?
Allah is all-Forgiving, all-Compassionate.
The Messiah son of Mary was only a Messenger; Messengers before him passed away; his mother was a just woman; they both ate food. Behold, how We make clear the signs to them; then behold, how they perverted are! (Al-Maidah, 73-75).
In the Koran Allah warned the people of the Book (Christians) not to carry their religious beliefs to excess and beyond the truth, nor should they relate to Allah but the truth. Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah, is simply His Word to Mary and a Spirit that proceeded from Him and was conveyed to Mary by the Spirit Gabriel. Therefore the Christians had better believe in Allah and acknowledge His Apostles and stop saying ‘Allah in Trinity’; this is only to their benefit. Allah is only and absolutely One, glory be to Him and extolled are His glorious attributes; far be he beyond comprehension; His Omnipotence precludes begetting a son, when all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth belong to Him, and Allah is all-Sufficient as a disposer of affairs. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, shall not turn indignant for being a servant of Allah nor shall the angels nearest to Allah, and he whosoever disdains to serve Allah must realize that all people shall be thronged to his august presence in the Day of Judgment.
People of the Book (Christians), go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to Allah but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the Messenger of Allah, and His word that He committed to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not ‘Three.’ Refrain, better it is for you. Allah is only one God. Glory be to Him – that He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth, Allah suffices for a guardian (Al-Maidah, 171).
The Messiah will not disdain to be a servant of Allah, neither the angels who are near stationed to Him.
Whosoever disdains to serve Him, and waxes proud, he will assuredly muster them to Him, all of them (An-Nisa, 172).
It is not in reason or in the nature of things that Jesus as Allah’s Messenger should preach against Allah and claims that he is Allah or the son of Allah. Jesus came to preach and convey the true Message of Allah. Jesus was a Prophet, and the Holy Spirit with which he was strengthened was the angel Gabriel who brought the Gospel to him.
The Koran teaches:
It belongs not to any mortal that Allah should give him the Book, the judgment, the Prophet Hood, then he should say to men, ‘Be you servants to me apart from Allah.’ Rather, ‘Be you masters in that you know the book and in that you study.’
He would never order you to take the angels and the Prophets as Lords; what, would He order you to disbelieve, after you have surrendered? (Al-Imran 79, 80).
As mentioned earlier, the Koran clearly states that infidels indeed are those who declare that Allah is the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary. Allah commanded Muhammad to say to them, ‘Who then can restrain Allah in any way, if He willed to destroy the Messiah, the son of Mary, his mother and all that is on the earth! To Allah alone, belong all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth and all that lies in between, He creates and brings into being whom and whatever He will; He is indeed Omnipotent.
Allah says in His last Revelation:
They are unbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, Mary’s son.’
Say: ‘Who then shall overrule Allah in any way if He desires to destroy the Messiah, Mary’s son, and his mother, and all those who are on earth?’
For to Allah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and of the earth, and all that is between them, creating what He will. Allah is powerful over everything (Al-Maidah, 17).
The Koran also stated that, wrapped in their imagination, the Jews and the Christians say, ‘We are the sons of Allah and His beloved.’ Allah commanded Muhammad to say to them, ‘Why then He punish you and afflict you with pain and suffering in requital for your evil deeds! Indeed but you are creatures who constitute a part of those He brought into being and caused to exist. He forgives whom He will and to Allah and to Him alone belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth and all that lies between them, and to Him is the end and the purpose for which all are destined.
Say the Jews and the Christians, ‘We are the sons of Allah, and His beloved ones.’
Say: ‘why then does He chastise you for your sins?
No; you are mortals of His creating; He forgives whom He will, and chastises whom He will.’
For to Allah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and of the earth, and all that is between them; to Him is the homecoming (Al-Maidah, 18).
This refrain in the last verse negates the idea of sonship and the idea of an exclusive ‘Beloved’. In both cases it means that Allah is independent of physical relationships or exclusive partiality.
The Jews, Christians and pagans said that Allah has begotten a son. According to the Koran, this kind of belief is a grievous sin in the sight of Allah.
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for Allah to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing, He but says to it “Be”, and it is. (Maryam 34, 35).
And they say, ‘The all-Merciful has taken unto himself a son.’ You have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the all-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the heavens and earth but he comes to the all-Merciful as a servant (Maryam 88-93).
Allah ordered His prophet Muhammad to say to those who believe in the son ship of Jesus that He is infinitely Independent and Absolute. Allah further commanded His Prophet to ask them if they have proof to evidence their false allegation! Do they relate to Allah what they do not know or are able to prove! The Prophet was commanded to say to them, ‘Those who invent a lie against Allah shall never prosper.’ A little enjoyment in this world then to Allah will be their return, and then shall He make them taste the severest penalty for their blasphemies.
They say, ‘Allah has taken to him a son.’ Glory be to Him! He is all-Sufficient; to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth; you have no authority for this. What, do you say concerning Allah that you know not?
Say: ‘Those who forge against Allah falsehood shall not prosper.’
Some enjoyment in this world; then unto Us they shall return; then We shall let them taste the terrible chastisement, for that they were unbelievers (Yunus, 68-70).
The Prophet Muhammad said, “Allah said, ‘The son of Adam tells lies against Me though He has no right to do so, and he abuses Me though he has no right to do so. As for his telling lies against Me, he claims that I cannot re-create him as I created him before; and as for his abusing Me, it is his statement that I have a son. No! Glorified is me! I am far from taking a wife or a son. (Sahih Al-bukhari, Vol. 6, Hadith No. 9).
Allah commanded Muhammad to say to the Jews and Christians that if they had believed in Muhammad and warded off evil (sins, ascribing partners to Allah) and had become pious, Allah would indeed have expiated from them their sins and admitted them to gardens of pleasure in paradise. And if only they had acted according to the Torah, the Gospel, and what has now been sent down to them from their Lord (the Koran), they would surely have gotten provision from above them and from underneath their feet. There are from among them people who are on the right path ( Abdullah ibn Salam, the pontiff and leader of the Jews who embraced Islam at the time of the Prophet) but many of them do evil deeds. Allah also warned the Prophet that the Koran as the last divine revelation to mankind will increase in most of the Jews and the Christians their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. So he must not be sorrowful over the people who disbelieve.
But had the people of the Book believe and been god-fearing, we would have acquitted them of their evil deeds, and admitted them to Gardens of bliss.
Had they performed the Torah and the Gospel, and what was sent down to them from their Lord (the Koran), they would have eaten both what was above them, and what was beneath their feet. Some of them are a just nation; but many of them evil are the things they do.
Say: “People of the Book, you do not stand on anything, until you perform the Torah and the Gospel, and what has been sent down to you from your Lord.” (the Koran), and what was sent down from your Lord will surely increase many of them in insolence and unbelief; so grieve not for the people of the unbelievers (Al-Maidah 65, 66, 68).
At the time of Muhammad there were sincere Christians that appreciated Muslim virtues, as did the Abyssinians to Whom Muslim refugees went during the persecution in Makkah. Allah informed Muhammad that he will find the Jews the strongest in enmity to the Muslims and also those who incorporate with Allah other deities. And he will find that the nearest among them in love to the Muslims those who declare that they are Christians. This is because among them there are priests and monks who fear Allah, and they are not arrogant. And when they listen to the Koran they are excited to tears at the truth which they recognize and they say: ‘O Allah, our Creator, we have recognized the truth, our Lord we believe; write us down among the witnesses. And why we do not recognize Allah with all our hearts and give credence to the truth which we have received, when we do hope that Allah would admit us to the company of the righteous. In response to their recognition of the truth, Allah shall grace them with a distinguished reward. They shall be admitted to gardens beneath which rivers flow wherein they will live forever – whereas those who rejected Allah’s faith and belied His Signs shall be companions of Hell-fire.
Thou wilt surely find the most hostile of men to the believers are the Jews and the idolaters; and thou wilt surely find the nearest of them in love to the believers are those who say, ‘We are Christians’; that, because some of them are priests and monks, and they wax no proud, and when they hear what was sent down to the Messenger, thou seest their eyes overflow with tears because of the truth they recognize. They say, ‘Our Lord, we believe, so do Thou write us down among the witnesses.
Why should we not believe in Allah and in the truth that has come to us, (Islamic Monotheism).
And we wish that our Lord will admit us along with the righteous people (Prophet Muhammad and his companions).
And Allah rewards them for what they say with gardens underneath which rivers flow, therein dwelling forever; that is the recompense of the good-doers.
But those who disbelieve, and cry lies to our signs – they are the inhabitants of Hell (Al-Maidah 82-86).
In the Koran a scene of the Day of Reckoning is put before us showing the responsibility and the limitations of all the Prophets of Allah sent to preach His Message to men, with special reference to the Message of Jesus. On that Day Allah will gather all the Prophets and ask them about the response they got from the people to whom they were sent, and they will say: ‘Glory be to You, but you are the Omniscient of all that is unknown and of all that is invisible, to mankind, and of all their private thoughts and feelings.’
Allah gives us a glimpse of what will be spoken by Jesus on the Day of Judgment in defense of himself and proclaiming his innocence from the unjustified claims of those who ascribed to him abominable lies.
In a solemn scene before the Court of Judgment, Allah shall address Jesus before his people, thus: ‘Do you remember O Jesus My divine favor on your mother; how I supported you with the Holy Spirit so that you spoke to people while you were an infant in the cradle and then in manhood. And I taught you the Book and wisdom. The Torah and the Gospel, and enabled you to make out of clay the figure of a living bird by My leave, and made you restore the sight of the congenitally blind and heal the leper by My leave, and with my delegated authority raise the dead by My leave. And do you remember how I held back the Children of Israel from you when they resolved to kill you as you came to them with divine and clear revelations, but the infidels among them said, ‘This is nothing but evident magic!’ And do you remember how I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and acknowledging your Apostleship and how they responded favorably and conformed their will to My Will and bowed to Me as Muslims.
“And behold!” Allah will say in the Court of Judgment: “Did you Jesus, the son of Mary, ask the people to take you and your mother as two gods besides Allah and pay you the same tribute that is dutiful only to Me!”
Jesus will say, “Glory be to you, and extolled are Your glorious attributes; never could I say what I had no right to say, if I have uttered it, You would have known it, You can read my thoughts whereas I cannot possibly read Your thoughts; You are the Omniscient of all that is unknown. I never said to them but what You had commanded me to say: ‘to worship Allah my Lord and your Lord’, and I was a witness over them as long as I lived among them, and when you ordained that I depart life, you were the Watcher over them, You are the Witness of all things in all respects. If you punish them, they are Your servants, and if You forgive them, You are the Exalted in power, the Wise.”
There and then says Allah, “This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth; theirs are Gardens under which rivers flow – they shall abide therein forever. Allah is pleased with them and they with Him. That is the great success (29).
The Koran says in this respect:
The Day when Allah shall gather the Messengers and say,’ What answer were you given?’ They shall say, ‘We have no knowledge; Thou art the Knower of the things unseen.’
When Allah said, ‘Jesus son of maryam (Mary), remember My blessing upon thee and upon thy mother, when I confirmed thee with the holy spirit, to speak to men in the cradle, and of age; and when I taught thee the Book, the wisdom, the Torah, the Gospel; and when thou creatist out of clay, by My leave, as the likeness of a bird, and thou breathest into it, and it is a bird, by My leave; and thou healest the blind and the leper by My leave, and thou bringest the dead forth by My leave; and when I restrained from thee the Children of Israel when thou camest unto them with the clear signs, and the unbelievers among them said, ‘This is nothing but socery manifest.’
And when I inspired the disciples: ‘Believe in Me and My Messenger (Jesus)’; they said, ‘We believe; witness thou our submission.'”
And when Allah said, “O Jesus son of Maryam, did you say unto men, ‘Take me and my mother as gods apart from Allah?”
He (Jesus) said, ‘Glory is to You! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner self though I do not know what is in yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-knower of the unseen. I only said to them what you did command me to say: “Serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when you took me up, You were the watcher over them; and You are a witness to all things. If you chastisest them, they are your servants; and if You forgive them, You are the All-Mighty, the All Wise.’
Allah said, ‘This is the day the truthful shall be profited by their truthfulness. For them await gardens underneath which rivers flow, therein dwelling forever and ever, Allah being well-pleased with them and they well-pleased with Him; that is the mighty triumph.’ (Al-Maidah 109-111, 116-119).
It should be pointed out that the words” by My leave” are repeated with each miracle to emphasize the fact that they arose, not out of the power or will of Jesus, but by the leave and will and power of Allah, who is supreme over Jesus as He is over all other mortals (29).
Allah clarified in the Koran that Jesus was not crucified; rather, it was made to seem that way to the Jews, and that Allah raised him to the Heavens. It was the plan of Jesus’ enemies to crucify him, but Allah saved him and raised him up to Him. The likeness of Jesus was put over another man. Jesus’ enemies took this man and crucified him, thinking that he was Jesus.
Allah says:
“And when Allah said: ‘O Jesus! I will take you and lift you up to Me, and purify you of those who disbelieve, and will make those who followed you above those who disbelieved until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me shall you all return, and I shall judge between you in that which you dispute'” (Al-Imran 54 ,55).
“And for their saying (in boast) (the Jews): ‘We killed Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; but they killed him not nor crucified him. Only a likeness of that was shown to them. And those who differ therein are full of doubt with no certain knowledge, but only follow mere conjecture, for a surety they killed him not. But Allah lifted him up to Him, and Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise. And there is none of the people of the Book, but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Judgment, he will be a witness against them.” (An-Nissa 157-159).
These verses tell us that Jesus was lifted up to the heaven and was not crucified. His opponents from Jews misled the king of that time, as they wanted to slay Jesus and crucify him. The Koran does not explain, though, who was the person crucified instead of Jesus.
One of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity is that Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins. The Bible on the other hand refutes this belief. Based on the verses of the Bible, Peter and the two sons of Zebedee were with Jesus before the chief priests came to take him for crucifixion. Jesus at this point talked to Peter and the two sons of Zebedee as in Matthew 26: 38, “Then saith he unto them, ‘my soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me’. Then Jesus went a little further way from them and prayed to Allah as in Mathew 26: 39. And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed saying, ‘O my father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.’
It is clear from the above verse in Matthew 26: 39 that Jesus had no intension of dying. After Jesus made the above mentioned prayer he was answered by Allah according to the Hebrews 5: 7. “Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared.” This clearly shows that when Jesus was praying strongly to Allah, Allah granted him what he requested and saved him from crucifixion.
According to the Christian doctrine, Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins. A question here arises: why anyone has to die for our sins when Allah is the All-Merciful and could easily grant forgiveness if we ask for it?
According to the Bible the way of redemption could be obtained without the need for sacrifice. The Bible says:
Ezekiel 18: 20 “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.”
Ezekiel 18: 21 “But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.”
It is clear then that no one shall bear the sins of others, so Jesus cannot bear the sins of others either. If one is righteous then it shall be upon him, and if one commits a sin then it shall be upon him, and not on Jesus. Therefore, the way to repentance and forgiveness is by turning from all sins, doing what is right, and keeping the commandments.
The same system of repentance was also given by Solomon. He says in the book of Ecclesiastes 12: 13 “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Allah, and keep His commandments for these are the whole duty of man.”
In 2 chronicles 7: 14 “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”
Finally the bible says in Samuel 15: 22 “And Samuel said, Hath the Lord a great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.”
This clearly states that obeying Allah is better than sacrifice. What Allah likes is for us to obey Him. It is not of Him at all to come later and change His mind, and change his ways.
Also, Islam stresses the notion that Allah is able to and forgives all sins, if a person truly repents and then refrains from repeating it. Allah does not need any blood sacrifice for that, let alone descend in the form of man himself and die for every man’s sins. Rather, Allah’s mercy extends to all creatures, believers, and disbelievers alike. The door to forgiveness is open to anyone who seeks it.
As such, Islam denies that Jesus came to this earth with the purpose of sacrificing himself for the sin of Adam, Eve, and the rest of humanity, freeing them from their sins. Islam strictly rejects the notion that any person bears the sin of another. Allah says:
“No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another.” (Az-Zumar, 7).
As seen from the above mentioned Koranic verses, Allah confirmed that Jesus was not crucified, though, it was made to seem that way to the Jews. Allah says:
“They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but (another) was made to resemble him to them” (An-Nisa, 157).
“Allah lifted him up to His presence. Allah is Almighty, All-wise.” (An-Nisa, 158).
As mentioned above, the Koranic verses confirmed the lifting up of Jesus to Allah, but still, this ascendance was not mentioned in detail.
Maus
Mohsen,
Sorry if this response rambles a bit. I’ve been trying to follow this conversation over the last couple of days and I have quite a few opinions about what has been said, especially lately.
How can you claim and assume that “The majority of these criminals are Christians of course.”? Are these people murdering people or committing other crimes while saying “Jesus is Lord”? Are they truly practicing what Jesus taught and the lessons of the Bible? I believe the answer is a concrete “NO”.
There are many people in both religions that claim to be of that religion but do not actually practice the faith as it should be practiced. I might label these people “non-practicing Muslims/Christians/etc”. There are many that say they are Christian that do not practice the teachings of Jesus, just as I know there are Muslims that say they are followers of the Islamic religion but do not really practice all of the teachings. Followers in name only.
For example, I know of a Muslim family where the wife does not cover herself as those from an Orthodox Muslim family would. She maintains many friends that say they are Christian even though, through my understanding, she should not (5:51). She is very outgoing and might be considered very opposite to those Muslim women I see on the news. I might consider that family to be Muslim but maybe not a practicing Orthodox Muslim family as I understand it.
I can understand how hard it would be to decode the Islamic teachings because without investigating the life and sayings of Mohammad, you cannot truly understand the Koran and the order in which to read the chapters or how to interact with fellow Muslims or non-Muslims. You cannot understand the details of how to live your life without first learning how Mohammad conducted his life. It could be in my flawed understanding of the Koran that those details are not present in that book. Please excuse me if that is the case since I am just starting my journey into comparing Islam and Christianity. In order to understand Islam, you must study the Koran and its decoding key, the Hadith.
As a counterpoint to that, Christians only have to look to the Holy Bible to learn how to live and about God and his plan for us. I find that it’s far easier to be involved in the learning and understanding of the Christian faith because the Holy Bible is ordered in a chronological fashion and the books of the Bible were written by numerous authors with differing viewpoints in history inspired by the Word of God.
Don’t get me wrong. I made a pledge to myself to understand the teaching of Islam to understand why some things are happening in the world. But I can’t agree with your statement that the majority of American criminals are true Christians.
Let me explore my concerns a little more with why I am at this website.
I have trouble understanding how differently Christians and Muslims can react to book burnings. I know this is a very touchy subject lately, sorry if this offends anyone. Muslims and others can burn hundreds of Bibles and while it offends Christians, those same Christians do not form mobs and kill Muslims and burn down their homes and mosques. Jesus said in Matthew 5:39, “But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” (NIV) This tells me not to perform revenge on those that insult me and do me wrong. Rather than revenge, I am to suffer patiently the same insult and injury. Love forgives those that do you wrong. Jesus said to the love of God with your entire heart, soul and mind was the greatest commandment (Matt 22:37-40) and that the next one was to love your neighbor. That’s what I would understand to be a religion of peace.
From my observations with the news, this is not the case in Islam. I don’t believe the Koran has a “love your neighbor” verse that is a strong verse. I don’t believe Mohammad said anything like it either. I read every week that Muslims in multiple countries kill Christians and burn down their homes and Churches, chop off ears of pasters and more. Destroyed churches are being refused repair or reconstruction in majority Islamic nations do to Sharia Law. This happens all over the world from Africa, Indonesia, Pakastan and the Middle East to just the rumor of a Koran burning. That’s what I don’t understand. How come there are extremely few Muslims that disagree with this behavior? I think it stems with the descriptions of non-Muslims in the Koran.
Just a quick search tells me that according to the Koran:
– I am a “loser” (2:121) (5:53)
– “deaf, dumb and blind” (2:171)
– an “evil-liver” (3:110) (5:59)
– that I “hate you and will ruin you (Muslims)” (3:118)
– an “open enemy” (4:101)
– “wrong doers” (5:45)
– ignorant (6:111)
– evil (too many to put here)
There are many more in the Koran. Shockingly many. Like I said, I just did a quick search and came up with those examples from the first few chapters and the list is not complete. I plan on reading the context of those quotes to see if there is any other meaning to the verses and just this search is opening my eyes.
From my novice understanding of the Koran, it looks to me that it teaches that all non-Muslims are the worst of people and can be tread upon in any way including violence. How can that be understood any other way with the impressive number of negative remarks about non-Muslims? To make matters worse, I see open-ended calls to violence agains non-Muslims. I don’t think I really need to provide examples since I think it was posted in a previous post and not denied.
That’s where I am right now. Trying to find out if the violence against Christians by Muslims is only being performed by “radicals” or if it is a teaching of Islam as a whole. The more I write in this response, the more I believe it’s the latter. That is where my journey is taking me and I find it strengthing my faith and belief in Christianity and the God of the Holy Bible.
Although your responses were very well written, the statements you are making contradict what I see practiced in the vocal name of Allah every day in the news. I will grant you that there are some very misguided Christians out there but I do not see the shear numbers I see in the Muslim community that promote acts of violence and harm. You defended the Koran very well, but you did not convince me that you disagree with the violence Christians face today based on the Koran and Hadith. Does the cutting off of an ear justify the attempt to educate others about Christianity where you are attempting the same thing in this forum about Islam? Although there has been some heated words between you and Steve, I did not see you justifying any misconceptions against the violent verses in the Koran that were brought up. That is what I came to find in this discussion.
I truly wish I was more educated to provide a more worthy debate on the subject. Maybe someone else can debate the specifics of the Holy Bible verses verse the Koran verses but I feel I am not qualified.
Maus
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Steve
Steve, spare me your ignorance, hatred, and foolishness. I don’t preach, you fool, I just state facts. It is evident that you are shallow and incognizant. I don’t want to degrade myself further by talking to an incompetent ignorant parrot like you.
Don’t answer back because I will not respond.
Steve
Amin Al-Husseini spends WWII in Germany at Hitler’s side. He establishes Muslim Nazi troops and becomes heavily involved in the genocide of Jews, Gypsies and Serbs. (See Husseini section).
Husseini calls Nazi Muslim troops “the Cream of Islam”.
Amin Al-Husseini providing safe haven to ex-Nazis in Arab lands. He is the main connection with Francois Genoud, Swiss banker of Third Reich, who finances the ODESSA network with money stolen from murdered European Jews
Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat becomes member of the Muslim Brotherhood. He works directly under Amin Al-Husseini since age 17. Arafat is placed in charge of terrorist group “The Holy Strugglers” responsible for disrupting the peace in Palestine.
Steve
Completely and deliberately didn’t respond to the hate, murder rape, and human pain subjected to this world by Muslims. Instead you go off again preaching.
Don’t you get it. You can never be considered serious when you continually avoid the issue with deflection.
Islam is violent. Always was always will be. Islam is devious. Always was always will be.
We get you. so until you begin to explain why Islam is so violent your just another lying Jhidaist hiding behind a Dr. title.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Steve says, “I understand Islam very well”. No Steve, you and your like don’t understand Islam at all. In order to understand Islam you have to live the religion completely all your life. You have to feel its purity and cleanliness by abiding to its tenets and principles. You have to struggle to guard your soul from the temptations of life. You have to feel the spiritual blessing when Allah endows His loyal servants with the qualities He wanted them to possess. You have to feel the beauty of total submission to His Will. You must feel the greatness and magnificence of worshipping alone, the One and the Only God, Allah, the Creator, the King, the All-Holy, the All-Sublime. You must believe in his Unity, in his Oneness, and worship Him alone without associating with Him any partners. You must believe in the Day of Judgment and realize in every instant in your life that you are leaving to meet your Lord. You will leave behind all that you possessed in this life. You will stand before Him naked to receive your acoounting.
Bearing this in mind, now move in life seeking Allah’s pleasure by doing what he ordered you to do, and by abstaining from what He prohibited you to do. Now you have become a divine slave, when you ask your Lord He responds, when you seek protection He protects you, You walk with your feet on earth but your heart is attached to your Lord in Heaven.
Do you still insist that you know Islam very well? O, no, you are still far away, you defy your Lord, you bely His last Testament to the world, your slander His seal of the Prophets, you are still, very much, a man astray.
In order to convince me that Islam is an evil religion, you bombarded me with a volley of incidents showing that Muslims are satans and devils, they were created only to kill, rape and destroy…bla bla bla.
To tell you the truth Steve, I only read the first few lines, then I stopped. There is no need to continue. This is not the scientific approach to discuss religion or any other scientific subject. It is not scientifically correct to judge religion by the actions of its adherents. And you remember from our previous hot discussions when you forwarded me with Koranic verses talking about war in Islam in order to convince me that Islam is an evil religion. You took the verses out of their context, thus neglecting the fact that after 11 years of continous persecution Allah ordered the Prophet to fight back. The whole of pagan Quraish that came after the Prophet to wipe him out of the surface of the earth had 1000 well armed warriors and hundreds of camels and horses.. The Prophet however, had only 300 poor and weak companions and only one horse. It was impossible to win, but the Lord promised him divine help and victory. The Prophet fought back and won, and it was the firstr time that Islam gained power.
You hid all this Steve and talked only about the verses indicating war, therefore Islam is evil and agressive! By this you misguided your readers as all haters of Islam always do.
In order to show you that your approach is misguiding and wrong I had to cope with you. I proved to you that Christianity produced since its initiation and until now more than 400 million deaths to its followers and to Europeans in general. Let alone the persecution Muslims received from christianity over the centuries (go back to my article about this in political Islam).
Also, remember Steve, that in political Islam, I also quoted some verses from the Old and New Testaments indicating killing, murder, racism, rape etc. I was just trying to cope with you in order to show you that your attitude in judging the religion of Islam by forwarding some verses indicating war or something evil is false and not scientific.
Do I say that Christianity is an evil religion because of the evil and criminal actions of its adherents? Do I say that Christianity is an evil religion because of the verses I quoted from the Bible and Gospel talking about murder, killing and rape? The answer is certainly “no”.
Again Steve, according to the Disaster Center – United States: Uniform Crime Report – State Statistics from 1960 – 2009, crime in the United States accounts for more death, injuries and loss of property than all natural disasters conbined. Approximately 13 million people (5% of the US population) are victims of crime every year.
Compared with other countries, the Unitesd States has the highest incarceration rate in the world. As of 2006, seven million people were behind bars. According to Washington Post, February 29, 2008, more than one in hundred adults in the United States is in jail or prison, an all-time high that is costing state governments nearly $50 billion a year and the federal government $5 billion more.
The majority of these criminals are Christians of course. Do I claim that Christianity is an evil religion because of the evil actions of such criminal Christians? Of course not.
So please Steve, do not use this pathetic and void approach with me because it will not work. Do not bombard me with incidents of transgressions made by Muslims living a tribal life in an underdeveloped world. Their transgression has nothing to do with the Koran. The Koran hasn’t ordered them to kill and rape. If they don’t repent and return to the right path again, so they are sinners deserving punishment here and Hereafter.
If you have certain Koranic verses you do do not understand, just mention them to me and I will explain them to you. So are the sayings of the Prophet.
Now let us not deviate from the main issue.The Koran is your Book as well as mine. You must honor it and not to bely it. The Koran is a universal Book, it came to the Pagan Arabs and to the Jews and the Christians. The Koran came to the Christians to tell them that Allah is one and not three. Jesus is not God or son of God, but just a noble Prophet who came the the lost sheep of the Children of Israel to tell them to worship Allah, the One and Only true God. The Koran refuted completely the doctrine of Trinity, vicarious atonement and Jesus crucifixion. The Koran came to say to the Christians that Allah forgives all sins except associating in worship with Him any partners (son, idol, priest, king etc).
Christians attacking Islam look rediculous to me.They attack the religion that came to warn them of a severe torment if they don’t revert present Christianity from trinitariarism to pure Islamic monotheism. But they don’t listen, they would rather prefer to attack the only complete and guarded religion that nowaday exist.
In my several articles in political Islam, I warned and explained, and forwarded Koranic verses indicating such severe warning, but who hears and listens to the divine warning.
Steve says I am a hater of Christianity! How come and the Koran honored Jesus and His mother. On the contrary, I love Christianity but the way it was mentioned in the Koran – pure monotheism.
Steve claims that he attacks me so viciously because I am a vengeful man. It was not I who established political Islam to slander the Prophet of Islam, bely the Koran and accuse Allah as a moon God. It was not I who launched all these lies against Muslims and their religion. As you gave yourself the right to attack the Last of religions and the seal of the Prophets and Allah the Creator of the universe, I give myself the liberty to explain, warn and defend my religion.
My attitude in defending my religion lies within the fact that first I explain the religion, then I show the consequences. It is not the right of any man to attack the last divine revelation sent to mankind, or slander Muhammad the best of creation, or mocking at Allah by describing Him as the moon God etc. If they gave themselves the right to do so, then they must know the terrible consequences awaiting them. Every word uttered in vain has a price. The harvest of our tongues may take us to Heaven or to Hell. Everything is recorded, whether published or concealed. Allah knows everything, He is the All-Knower, the All-Wise.
They don’t know how to be neutral, they look at Islam from their Christian perspective, a matter that always take them to error.They don’t understand that Muhammad came after Jesus. Religion didn’t stop at Jesus, but it continued to Muhammad. The ministry of Jesus only stayed for 1,3-3 years, while that of Muhammad lasted for 23 years. Jesus came to a small group of people, while Muhammad came to all humanity, his task was to establish the kingdom of Allah on earth. He had to preach, fight, and act as a last warner to the world – Allah is One and worship Him alone without associating with Him son or partners.
The enemies of Islam follow nothing but conjecture. In vain do they waste their days. Thus it was made fair-seeming to them the evil they have done.
Who is more unjust than one who invents a lie against Allah or reject His signs? Those who reject Allah’s signs and treat them with arrogance, they are companions of the Fire to dwell therein for ever.
As we read in the Koran:
And those that cry lies to Our signs, and wax proud against them, shall be the inhabitants of the Fire, therein dwelling forever (Al-A’raf, 36).
Steve
I understand Islam Very well!
Bangladeshi 14-year old girl raped by cousin, charged under sharia, lashed to death.
17,000 Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11
Facebook finally drops “Intifada” page for promoting violence — after 350,000 sign up
Pakistan: Two more Christians killed, churches burned as Muslims respond to Florida Qur’an burning
Pakistan: Another church burned, Florida Qur’an burning touted as excuse
Afghanistan: Misunderstanders of Islam murder 20 construction workers with jihad-martyrdom suicide bombings
OIC to convey strong condemnation of Qur’an-burning to UN Secretary General, demand UN action against free speech
Gunmen kill 56 in grisly Iraq hostage siege
Third Pakistani Church Attacked over Florida Quran Burning…
Somali Pirates Offer to Release Danish Hostage for ‘Hand’ of 13-Year-Old Daughter…
78% of UK Muslims Want Limits on Free Speech…
Syria Tortures Schoolchildren for Writing on Walls…
CAIR’s Doctoring of OC Video Exposed by ‘Daylight’…
Gang-Rape Victims Arrested as She Tries to Tell the World…
Mob Cuts Off Christian Man’s Ear…
Five Iranian Christians to Stand Trial for Blasphemy…
Christian Given Year in Prison for Evangelism…
Bomb Attack on Jerusalem Bus Station – 1 Dead…
Sweden to Deport Honor Killer – Stabbed Daughter 53 Times…
Israel Forced to Close Schools Under Hamas Rocket Fire…
Iran Calls for Suicide Bombings Against Saudi Interests…
Nigerian Churches Bombed, Survivors Pelted with Rocks…
Islamists Force Children into the Line of Fire…
Seven Turkish Officers Jailed over Christian Throat-Slittings…
Ethiopia: 69 Churches Torched, 7,000 Christians Displaced…
50 Rockets Launched into Israel from Gaza – 8 Injured…
Bosnian Carved Crosses into Heads of Serb Prisoners…
Christian Woman Chained to a Tree Following Gang Rape…
Car Bombers Take Out a Mother and Newborn Baby…
At least seven innocents are torn to shreds by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
Terrorists attack a family home, killing two brothers.
– al-Qaeda radicals blow up an ammunitions factory, killing over one-hundred and fifty people, including women and children.
Weekly Jihad Report
Mar. 19 – Mar. 25
Jihad Attacks: 31
Dead Bodies: 101
Critically Injured: 115
Monthly Jihad Report
February, 2011
Jihad Attacks: 134
Countries: 20
Religions: 5
Dead Bodies: 565
Critically Injured: 1058
More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined
More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland
Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.
19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years
“The spread of Islam was military. There is a tendency to
apologize for this and we should not. It is one of the
injunctions of the Qur’an that you must fight to spread Islam.”
Dr. Ali Issa Othman, Islamic Scholar
Hitler’s vision of ethnic cleansing of non-Aryans becomes appealing to the Wahhabis of the Muslim Brotherhood [vii] . The West and the Jews is the common enemy. Muslim Brotherhood acquires Hitler’s methods of genocide to rid the Arab world of its non-Muslims
Amin Al-Husseini spends WWII in Germany at Hitler’s side. He establishes Muslim Nazi troops and becomes heavily involved in the genocide of Jews, Gypsies and Serbs. (See Husseini section).
Husseini calls Nazi Muslim troops “the Cream of Islam”.
Amin Al-Husseini providing safe haven to ex-Nazis in Arab lands. He is the main connection with Francois Genoud, Swiss banker of Third Reich, who finances the ODESSA network with money stolen from murdered European Jews
Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat becomes member of the Muslim Brotherhood. He works directly under Amin Al-Husseini since age 17. Arafat is placed in charge of terrorist group “The Holy Strugglers” responsible for disrupting the peace in Palestine.
Arab League declares all wars against the Jewish state.
1948 Israel War of Independence. Husseini, President of Arab League:
“I declare a Holy War, My Muslim Brothers! Murder the Jews!”
*”I swear by Allah that war is deception,”…”We are fighting our enemy with a kind heart … Deceive, camouflage, pretend that you’re leaving while you’re walking
that way. Deceive your enemy
*”In my opinion, we must form a new organization for activism which will be neutral because we are placed in a corner, we are place in a corner. It is known who we are,
we are marked and I believe that there should be a new neutral organization which works on both sides
Omar Ahmad
Co-Founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations
President and CEO of Silicon Expert Technologies.
Former Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) Officer.
Omar Ahmad was captured on FBI surveillance tapes at Hamas meetings in the U.S.A. during 1993 explaining that the IAP could not, for political reasons, admit its support for Hamas, and then
discussing how the Hamas agenda could be cloaked and advanced. Omar Ahmad’s airfare
and hotel bills for this meeting were paid for by the Holy Land Foundation
“Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam … Islam isn’t in America to be equal to
any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book
of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the
only accepted religion on Earth.”
“Fighting for freedom, fighting for Islam, that is not suicide,” …
“They kill themselves for Islam.”
(Ahmad Praising Suicide Bombers)
Nihad Awad
Co-Founder and CAIR Executive Director
Former Public Relations Director for the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP)
A Palestinian born in Jordan and now a U.S. citizen.
Identified participating at a 1993 Hamas meeting in the United States
“I am in support of the Hamas movement.”
“We do not and will not condemn any liberation movement
inside Palestine or Lebanon”
“We Should Not Blame The United States Alone For The 11 September 2001 Attacks”
“Our administration has the burden of proving otherwise.”
(Awad’s response to muslim accusations that federal raids
were a War against Islam and Muslims)
“Address people according to their minds. When I speak with the American,
I speak with someone who doesn’t know anything.”
“If you love Israel, you’re OK … If that is the litmus test, no American Muslim
and no freedom-loving person is going to pass that test.”
Mousa Abu Marzook
Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) Founder
Parent organization of the Council on American-Islamic Relations
Officially Designated Terrorist and Fugitive from Justice.
(IAP was found Liable for aiding and abetting Hamas in the murder of a 17-year-old American)
“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it,
just as it obliterated others before it” – Hamas Charter
Senior Hamas member Marzook conspired with Omar Ahmad, Nihad Awad, and others to establish what the United States government has termed “front organizations” to support and advance the interests of Hamas and radical Islam in the United States. IAP provided the
Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) with employees, funding, operational
expertise, and ideological guidance.
” … probable cause exists that Abu Marzook knew of Hamas’s plan to carry out violent, murderous attacks, that he selected the leadership and supplied the money to enable the attacks to take place, and that such attacks were, therefore, a foreseeable consequence
of the conspiracy.” (Judge Kevin Duffy on Marzook)
Randall “Ismail” Royer
CAIR-National Civil Rights Coordinator
& Communications Specialist
*CONVICTED*
Committed Terrorist Crimes while working for CAIR
Pled guilty to using and discharging a firearm during, and in relation to,
a crime of violence; and with carrying an explosive during commission
of a felony … admitted helping four people gain entry to a terrorist
training camp in Pakistan operated by Lashkar-e-Taiba.
[United States Of America V. Randall Todd Royer (pdf)]
Ghassan Elashi
Founder Of CAIR-Texas
Chairman of Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development
*CONVICTED*
Sentenced To 65 Years In Federal Prison
Committed Terrorist Crimes while working for CAIR
Tried on 21 counts of conspiracy, money laundering and dealing
in property of a terrorist. Found guilty on all 21 counts.
[United States of America V. HLF (pdf)]
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Defeated , defeated, defeated, that what you are. You have nothing to say to refute my proofs but to borrow silly words from a script of a dreadful movie!
Don’t you know ignorant parrot that Allah has soldiers on earth to defend his religion. Their mouths speak the truth and they fear none but Allah. He protects them and gives them divine knowledge to fight obstinate people like you! Now you have met one of them, and now you know how they are strong when it comes to Islam, the only religion which will be accepted by Allah on the Day of Resurrection.
You proved to me that you are not ready to encounter such people due to your total ignorance regarding Islam and even your own religion, Christianity.
An ignorant miserable man like you who degraded himself to the point of hallucinating words like “king of hell, Diabolus etc” must confine himself to a lunatic asylum, or maybe it will be better for you to roam the archives of political Islam and read all my words one by one so that you may know the truth. And once you knew it, and whether you believe in it or not, you will be held responsible for it on the Day of Judgment. On that frightening Day you will realize that the Koran is a decisive Word and no pleasantry.
May Allah guide us all to His path of rectitude, forgive our sins and admit us to Paradise.
Steve
You have given no facts. Just gibberish from your book of evil.
Your attempt to say Christianity was violent is a distorted propaganda tool used by your ilk for the weak of mind and the uninformative.
Our understanding of your cult is quite clear. We hear it everyday being sung by those in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Egypt and even here in America.
You think that your game of slowly devouring the world will work here. Your charades with CAIR and other groups are easily seen and the appeasement from the left that you now enjoy will come to an abrupt end.
Your words are meaningless to us. All one needs to see and hear are the women you rape for your lustful pleasures/ The Christians you killed for Allah The churches you burned in the name of Mohammad. Your sacrifice of children while so called men of god fire rockets and hide behind them as cowards and men of no moral character do . your religion speaks to us loud and clear not from your lies but by those who follow the true faith. Your distortion and misdirection has no play here. We see thru you. We know your name. Yes you dont have to utter a word of your theories or lies to us anymore we get it. We understand your butchery and craving for blood. We hear your calls of god is great when the lives of the innocent are snuffed out forever in the sea of flesh and bone that Allah craves. You are the serpent that stalks at night. The wolf that hungers for the child the baby killer the monster of the sand you are the beast within men’s souls that murder for the lust of the kill and the taste of your victims blood. We get it. We understand you and no matter how much you preach and claim your religion is one of peace, understanding,compassion and tolerance your evil serpent tongue tells a different story. One of murder, rape, pillage, and misery. If you truly feel that yours is the only true religion climb atop the of mountain of corpses you have murdered. look down upon your land of blood and misery and proclaim that allah is great.
I call you by your given name.
Angel of Darkness
Antichrist
Apollyon
Beelzebub
Diabolus
King of Hell
Lucifer
Mephistopheles
Prince of Darkness
archfiend
demon
the Evil Spirit
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Steve
During my discussions with you I realized that you are not on my level. You are but gnorant and empty-headed. You are like a parrot, repeating words you don’t know their meaning. Your words about Allah and the Prophet are blasphemous and you will bear the consequences.
You have been defeated several times during our dialogues, but I was patient with you. I gave you all the facts, and when you found yourself unable to reply, you resorted to insolence, a matter that forced me to answer back.
It is my attitude to explain the religion to hate mongers like you first, then mention the consequences. The minute you hear the consequences, you get mad. O no, ignorant parrot. The consequences are terrible, and you know them already. Remember them when they befall you, in this world, in your grave and in the Hereafter.
One of the funniest words I have ever heard were yours, “I work for mankind!”. O dear! Please ignorant fellow spare mankind your ignorance, misguidance, blasphemy, evil and straying.
Steve
My creator has a son his name is Jesus Christ. My God cast Satan your allah to Hell and he is the one who controls your so called pagan idol worshipping religion. You and your kind will burn in hell not I.
You think I’m a hired writer. I have news for you. I and millions like me know the truth about Islam and evil liars such as you trying to spew your evil upon the world will be punished.
I dont work for this site nor do I work for any site on the internet. I work for mankind and I see the evil your religon has done is doing and wants to impose by forse on this world.
your theology is evil the methods Islam uses are evil. It’s prophet was eveil. Its god is evil.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Does God dance, you moron fool? Does God has a son you crazy polytheist. You have just blasphemed against your creator, you dweller of Hell.
Now you know the truth. You will be held responsible for every word I wrote here in your despicable site. You cannot escape from the truth you empty – headed moron.
You think it was my intention to teach you something of value. You are just a hired writer implementing an agenda against Muslims, and you will never prosper.
According to the American lifestyle, you will be dancing with the burning stars in Gehenna with the angels of Hell.
Steve
You have taught me nothing. You have however confirmed what everyone here has been saying. Islam is of the devil. Uou can quote all day long and try….TYR to expalin away the factual evidence of your pedophile prophet along with his evil moon god. Your texts fall on eyes wide open. The day you dance with Satan will be the day you remember me dancing with the one true God and his son Jesus Christ.
So print away. Your double talk and lies will not sway those here who know the truth.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
* In his attempt to prove that Islam is a violent religion, Steve says that the Caliphs Umar ibn Al-Khattab, and Muawiya, and Abd Al-Rahman ibn Alhkam when conquered Pursia, Armenia and Alava in Spain, respectively, their troops plundered, and killed the natives…
I don’t think this is true, because Muslims when opned the nations, the intention was to spread the religion of peace, and to establish the concept of pure monotheism, which had been extinguished and replaced by paganism and polytheism. It was therefore a Message of mercy guiding to the true path of rectitude.
During his life, the Prophet of Islam gave various injunctions to his forces and adopted practices toward the conduct of war. The most important of these were summarized by Muhammad’s companion and first caliph , Abu Bakr, in the form of ten rules:
“Do not betray or misappropriate any part of the booty; do not practice treachery or mutilation. Do not kill ayoung child, an old man, or a woman. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food. You will meet people who have set themselves apart in hermitages; leave them to accomplish the purpose for which they have done this. You will come upon people who will bring you dishes with various kinds of food. If you partake of them, pronounce Allah’s name over what you eat. You will meet people who have shaved the crown of their heads, leaving a band of hair around it. Go in Allah’s name, and may Allah protect you from sword and pestilence.”
These injunctions were honored by the second Caliph, Umar, during whose reign important Muslim conquests took place. During the battle of Siffin, the Caliph Ali stated that Islam does not permit Muslims to stop the supply of water to their enemy.
Regarding the conquest of Egypt, the Prophet said to his forces heading to egypt:
“You are going to enter Egypt a land where “Qirat” (money unit) is used. Be extremely good to them as they have with us close ties and marriage relationships. When you enter Egypt after my death, recruit many soldiers from among the Egyptians because they are the best soldiers on earth, as they and their wives are permanently on duty until the Day of Resurrection. Be good to the Copts of Egypt; you shall take them over, but they shall be your instrument and help. Be righteous to Allah about the Copts.
These principles were upheld by Amr ibn al-Aas during his conquest of Egypt. A Christian contemporary in the 7th century, John Nikiu, stated the following regarding the conquest of alexandria by Amr:
On the twentieth of Maskaram, Theodore and all his troops and officers set out and proceeded to the island of Cyprus, and abandoned the city of Alexandria. And thereupon, Amr the chief of the Muslims made his entry without effort into the city of Alexandria. And the inhabitants received him with respect; for they were in great tribulation and affliction. And Abba Benjamin, the Patriarch of the Ecgyptians, returned to the city of Alexandria in the thirteenth year after his flight from the Romans, and he went to the churches, and inspected all of them. And every one said: ‘This expulsion (of the Romans) and victory of the Muslim is due to the wickedness of the emperor Heraclius and his persecution of the Orthodox through the Patriarch Cyrus. This was the cause of the ruin of the Romans and the subjugation of Egypt by the Muslims. And Amr became sronger every day in every field of his activity. And he exacted the taxes which had been determined upon, but he took none of the property of the churches, and he committed no act of spoliation or plunder, and he preserved them throughout all his days.”
The principles established by the early Caliphs were also honored during the Crusades, as exemplifyed by Sultan Salah Eldine who after defeating the Christians in Jerusalem gave them protection while retreating back to their homeland – europe. Also, Sultan Al-Kamil defeated the Franks during the Crusades, Oliverus Scholasticus praised the Islamic laws of war, commenting on how Al-Kamil supplied the defeated Frankish army with food:
” Who could doubt that such goodness, friendship and charity come from God? Men whose parents, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, had died in agony at our hands, whose lands we took, whom we drove naked from their homes, revived us with their own food when we were dying of hunger and showered us with kindness even when we were in their power”.
Steve said that Sultan Muhammad Al-Fateh when he opened Constantinople had given his troops free quarter. They raped the nuns and slaughtered the men etc.
The opening of Constantinople by muhammad Al-Fateh is an important matter in the history of Islamic conquests. A matter deserving serious consideration.
The opening of Constantinople by Sultam muhammad Al-Fateh was inevitable. It was a prophecy of Prophet Muhammad. The Prophet mentioned that Muslims would conquer both Rome and Constantinople. He was asked which would fall first, and the Prophet said, “The city of Heraclius” i.e. Constantinople.
Muhammad Al-Fateh’s father, Sultan Murad II, the seventh Ottoman Sultan, raised Muhammad to be a great man. He prepared and trained him to shoulder the responsibilities of the position of a Sultan. Muhammad Al-Fateh memorized all the Koran, learned the Prophetic narrations, Islamic jurisprudence, mathematics, astronomy and the skills required for war. He also learnt Arabic, Persian, Latin and Greek languages. He joined his father in his battles and conquests.
His father appointed him as a ruler of a small emirate so that he could receive practical training on administering state affairs under the supervision of some of the top scholars of that time. This matter influenced the charater of the young prince and tinted his personality with Islamic morals and manners. Sheikh Aaq Shamsd-Deen, one of the Scholars who supervised the upbringing and education of Muhammad Al-Fateh, managed to inculcate in his heart that he may be the one referred to in the Prophet narration. The young prince never left his obligated prayer and midnight prayer from the day he reached his age of puberty until he died. All this shaped the character of the young prince, he became highly ambitious, widely cultured and had deep knowledge of the skills of war and combat.
After the death of his father, Muhammad Al-Fateh took over and became the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. He was only twenty years-old, but very ambitous thinking of the conquest of Constantinople, the eastern capital of the Byzantine Empire.
Muhammad Al-Fateh conquered Constantinople in his 21 years of age. Too young for such tremendous task, but that was what really happened. Muhammad prevented his armies from pillaging and plundering. He even gave his word to protect all the Christians, their belongings and their monastries. however, he transferred Hayya Sofia church into a Mosque as a big sign of him had conquered Constantinople.
At noon, Sultan Muhammad II entered Constantinople through the gate of Saint Romanus riding his horse in a great procession followed by his ministers, generals and soldiers. He walked in the street that led to the church, and when he reached the altar he found the priests and monks who sought refuge in it. He was kind to them and guaranteed their security. He asked the Christians present in the Church to depart safely to their houses, then he had the adhan called for the prayers.
For the first time, the Sultan and the Muslims attending with him prayed in the Church. The Church, afterwards became the Mosque of Aya Sufiya, which is one of the finest mosques.
After Muhammad Al-Fateh conquered Constantinople, he went far deep to Balkans (Romania, Bosnia, Cossovo, yugoslavia, Serbia, Georgia and Ukraine) and nearly seized Italy and Rome before he died.
The lessons deduced from this event are important. After the expulsion of Muslims from Spain and the end of Muslim’s epoch in Europe, followed by the Crusade which killed hundreds of thousands of Arab muslims and Christians in Jerusalem, it was the Will of Allah to spread His religion once more in Europe. But this time the openers were not the Arabs, but the Muslim Turks coming from Asia minor to spread the monotheistic religion of the seal of the Prophets,Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. As if Allah wanted all His servants living in all the world to know His last Message to them before the day of reckoning comes to pass.
Islam has begun with just one man, Muhammad. The number of Muslims however, has become more than one billion and four hundred million now. The Prophet of Islam said, “Islam will go as far as day and nigtht go” and this means that Islam will reach every part in the earth that day and the night reach, and this what truly happened.
* Steve said in his post dated March 11, 2011, “So Dr. El-Guindy, so I assume as a man of the idol moon god…meaning that Muslims worship a moon god!
There is another moron claiming that we worship a black stone in the Ka’ba!
I wonder, where did they get this information from. We don’t have it neither in the Sunna nor in the Koran. What I find about our God in the Koran is certainly not a truine polytheistic God, but one Mighty God, Allah. The following is His characteristics in the Koran:
He is Allah; there is no god but He.
He is the Knower of the Unseen and the Visible; the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate.
He is Allah; there is no god but He.
He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peaceable, the All-Faithful, the All-preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-Compeller, the All-Sublime.
Glory be to Allah, above that they associated!
He is Allah, the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper.
To Him belong the names most beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise (Al-Hashr 22-24).
As for the Word of Allah, the Koran, Allah says about it:
If We had sent down this Koran upon a mountain, thou wouldst have seen it humbled, split asunder out of the fear of Allah (Al-Hashr, 21).
Well, Steve, there is an apparent mist and illusion in your spiritual sight regarding Islam. Your intentional assertion of what is false takes you far from the truth. You see things from wrong angles and dispute about them. You hide real motives, and pretends to virtues which you do not possess. Your vision is narrow, and your values are false. Your plotting against Islam, is all open before Allah’s sight.
There are various degrees of humiliation, the worst is the humiliation of being numbered among those who ignominiously attempted to resist Allah the Irresistible.
Allah has decreed that He and His Messengers must prevail, for He is One full of strength, able to enforce His Will.
Surely those who oppose Allah and His messenger, those are among the most abject. Allah has written, “I shall assuredly be the victor, I and My Messwengers.” Surely Allah is All-Strong, All-Mighty (Al-Mujadalah 21, 22).
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Abraham was a nomad chief as well as a great Prophet. He used to live in a tent and had large flocks of cattle and great wealth. Nomad tribesmen do not inherit lands and pastures, but the prince assigns to each of his sons certain clans or tribes as his subjects and dependents. As a rule the youngest inherits the hearth or the tent of his parents, whereas the elder succeeds him to his throne. Isaac, who was the younger of the two, inherited the tent of his father and became like him a nomad living in tents. But Ishmael was sent to Hijaz to guard the House of Allah, which he together with Abraham had built as referred to in the Koran. There Ishmael settled, became Prophet and prince among the Arab tribes who believed in him. It was at Makkah that the Ka’aba became the center of the pilgrimage called al-Hajj. It was Ishmael that founded the religion of one true Allah and instituted the circumcision. Prophet Muhammad is a direct descendant of Ishmael, and was born in Makkah as a fulfillment of the prayer of Abraham and Ishmael while both were building the Holy House of Allah, Al Ka’aba in Makkah, as explained in the following verses of the Koran:
And when Abraham was tested by his Lord, with commands which he fulfilled, Allah said, “I will make you an ideal to the people.” He prayed, “And from my offspring.” Allah said, “But my Covenant does not extend to wrongdoers.”
And We made the Sacred House (The Ka’aba) a sanctuary for the people, and take Abraham’s place of worship as your place of worship, and We entrusted Abraham and Ishmael to purify my House for those who encompass it, and for those who retire to it for devotion and prayer, and those who bow down, and for those who prostrate themselves there.
And when Abraham said, “My Lord make this city (Makkah) a safe place and provide its inhabitants with fruits, those of them who believe in Allah and the Last Day.” He said, “And whoever disbelieves, I will leave him in enjoyment for a time, then I will consign him to the torment of the Fire, surely an evil destination.
And as Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundation of the House (Ka’aba) they humbly prayed, “Our Lord accept this from us, surely you are the All-hearing, the All-knowing-
Our Lord lead us to submit to your will and raise from our offspring a nation which will submit to your will, and direct us to our ordinance for worship, and turn us from sin, indeed you are the Relenting, the Most Merciful-
Our Lord send to them a Messenger from among them who shall recite your Revelations to them and teach them the Book (Koran) and the Wisdom and purify them, surely you are Almighty, All-Wise.”
And who rejects the Religion of Abraham but those who make fools of themselves? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be among the righteous.
When His Lord said to him (Abraham), “Be Muslim” (Submit to My Will), he said, “I submit my will to the Lord of the Worlds.”
And this was the advice of Abraham to his sons, and of Jacob, “O my sons, Allah has ordained the Religion for you, so hold fast to the Religion of Islam until death comes to you.”
Or were you witnesses when death came to Jacob, when he said to his sons, “What will you worship after me?” They said, “We will worship your Allah, the Allah of your fathers, Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. One Allah and to His will we submit.” (Al Baqara, 124-133).
Ishmael’s offspring soon increased and was multiplied like the stars in the sky. From the days of Prophet Ishmael to the advent of Prophet Muhammad, the Arabs of Hijaz, Yemen and others became independent and masters of their own countries. The Roman and Persian Empires were powerless to subdue the people of Ishmael. Even Esau the elder son of Isaac, left his father’s hearth for his younger brother Jacob and dwelt in Edom, where he became the chief of his people and soon got mixed with the Arab tribes of Ishmael who was both his uncle and father in law.
Abraham was reported in the Bible to have several other sons from Qitura and the concubines, to whom he gave presents and gifts and sent them towards the East. All these became large and strong tribes. Twelve sons of Ishmael were mentioned by name and described, each one to be a prince with his towns and camps or armies (Gen.xxv). So were the children from Qitura, and others, as well as those descended from Easu mentioned by their names.
When we behold the number of the family of Jacob when he went to Egypt, which hardly exceeded seventy heads, and when he was met by Easu with an escort of four hundred horsemen, and the mighty Arab tribes submitted to the twelve Emirs belonging to the family of Ishmael, and then when Muhammad the last messenger of Allah proclaimed the religion of Islam, all the Arab tribes unitedly acclaimed him and accepted his religion, and subdued all the lands promised to the children of Prophet Abraham, one must indeed be blind not to see that the Covenant was made with Ishmael and the promise accomplished in the person of Prophet Muhammad upon whom be peace.
Enough for now Steve. I’ll get back to you after a short while. I still have to answer the rest of the points you raised.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Hey Steve. I am here again to teach you some lessons. Just read carefully because I am trying to fill your empty head with real knowledge. It is about time that you change from an ignorant parrot to a knowledgeable person. Who knows, you may be guided to the right path!
* Steve says: ” The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of Uraina and did not cauterise their bleeding limbs till they dies.”
Islam considers high way robery a very serious crime because it threatens the calm and order of all society. Islam deals with two types of robery, the first is robbinng travellers from distant places; while the second is armed assault into private home. The first conviction of this offense merits the amputation of the right hand and left foot of the wrongdoer, although some schools allow a simple deportation if no harm occurs. The second merits the amputation of left hand and right foot. Those are limits set by Allah. Against Allah’s decrees all resistance is vain.
Why Muhammad applied the decree of Allah on the men of the tribe of Uraina?
Some Bedouins came to the Prophet and told him that they came from afar in order to meet him and embrace Islam. He preached them and invited them to Islam, and they accepted. He honored them and offered that they go to a place where his camels are forging in order to eat from their meat and drink their milk. But what they did was to steel all the camels and killed the shepherd. The Prophet sent some of his companions after them. They caught them and brought them to the Prophet. The Prophet applied the verdict of Allah on them (had elheraba).
Says the Koran:
This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be stuck off, or they shall be banished from the land. That is degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement (Al-Maida, 33).
This kind of punishment (had elheraba) also existed at the time of Pharoe of Moses, long before Islam.
The Koran says:
The magicians fell down prostrate. They said: ‘We believe in the Lord of Harun (Aaron) and Musa (Moses).”
Pharoe said: ‘Believe ye in him (Moses) before I give you permission? Verily, he is your chief who has taught you magic. So I will surely cut off your hands and feet on opposite sides, and I will surely crucify you on the trunks of date palms, and you shall surely, know which of us (Moses or his Lord, Allah) can give the severe and more lasting torment (Taha, 71).
So, Steve, don’t mention the punishment and conceal the reason bihind it, as you always do in order to misguide your readers.
* Steve says: some zanadiqua were broughjt to Ali (the fourth Caliph after the Prophet) and he burnt them. Ibn Abbas said: “if I had been in his place I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, “Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.”
The Zanadiqa were a group of people who were causing mischief in the land and in their ignorance believed that Caliph Ali, the cousin of the Prophet, was God incarnate.
The position that is most prevalent in readings of Muslim Law is that the death penalty awaits any Muslim who changes his religion to another, as a fixed penalty for a religion offense known as Ridda or Apoatasy. Jurists base their ruling on a tradition reported by al-Bukhari and several others to the effect that when news reached Ibn Abbas that Ali had burnt a number of Zanadiqaq to death, Ibn Abbas in the above mentiond Hadith said: “…but I would have killed them (anyway) because the Prophet said, “Whoever changes his reliogion, killed him.”
Caliph Ali might have been wrong by burning the Zanadiqa, but they were to be killed anyway. This is the verdict of the Prophet regarding apostasy.
Therefore, whoever falls away from faith in Islam commits from an Islamic perspective an unforgivable sin. He takes himself away from Allah, his owner, which is theft, and weakens the Islamic state, an action branded as revolt or insurrection. He who falls away from Islam must be called to repent first, but if he doesn’t repent, has according to Sharia, fortfeited his life and is to be put to death by the state.
Sorry steve, but this is our religion , it is not subject to compromise or reconciliation. We don’t change its principles in order to satisfy others. We rather adhere blindly to its injunctions. We don’t argue with Allah or His Prophet about the divine verdicts.
* Steve says: “Explain this: the Prophet said, “The Hour of the Last Judgment will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding wil say: ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
If the Prophet had said that, so it will happen. May be another war will occur between Muslims and the Jews in order to restore the occupied land and Al-Aqsa Mosque. And what is so strange about that? The Jews had been killing the Palestinians since 1948, demolishing their houses, steeling their land, and pushing hard to deport them to another land.
Why are you so caring about the Israelis who are spreading mischief in the Palestinian land, and you don’t care for the unarmed vanquished Palestinians?
Shame on you – this is utter racism, and ugly prejudice.
* Steve goes back again and again to the issue of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, insisting that the Prophet is pedophile (God forbid).
Steve doesn’t know how to read the Sunna of the Prophet and benefit from it. Even the most authentic books of Hadith include unauthentic Hadiths. The books of the Sunna are not infallible as is the case with the koran. They are rather the sincere effort of the scholars to trace back the narrations of the Prophet through supposedly trustworthy narrators who were living 500 years back until the time of the Prophet. Weak Hadiths may therefore result, thus deviating from the truth.
Muslims, therefore, when they read the books of Hadith, they first make sure that the Hadith is authentic according to the methods adopted by the scholars of Hadith. Second, if the Hadith do not conform with reason, they totally reject it.
Now let’s reason together to dig out the truth. Pedophile is defined as psychosexual disorder in which an adult’s arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical pedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult (Encyclopedia Britanica, 1998).
Does the Prophet fit the above criteria of pedophiole? The lifestyle of the Prophet and his marriages reveal that persentage of his wives who were 17 years-old and older was 91%; percentage of his wives who were widows was 75%.
Most of the Hadith narrations mentioning Aisha ‘s age was nine are reported through Hisham ibn Urwa while living in Iraq, where Hicham is reported to have relocated after living in Madina for 71 years. It is reported in one of the well known books on the life and reability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet that Yaqub ibn Shaiba said, “narratives reported by Hicham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq.” It further states that Malik ibn Anas, one of the closest companions of the Prophet, objected on those narratives of Hicham, which were reported through people of Iraq. Another book on the narrators of the traditions of Muhammad reported that when Hicham was old, his memory suffered quite badly.
We find evidence in both Hadith books and history books that indicates Aisha must have been older than nine when she got married:
1- According to a Hadith in Bukhari and Muslim, Aisha is said to have joined Muhammad on the raid that culminated in the Battle of Badr, in 624 CE. However, because no one below the age of 15 was allowed to accompany raiding parties, Aisha should have been at least fifteen in 624 CE and thus at least 13 when she was married following the Hijra in 622 CE.
2- Ibn Hisham’s version of ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah, the earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, records Aisha as having converted to Islam before Umar ibn al-Khattab, during the first few years of Islamb around 619 CE. In order to accept Islam she must have been walking and talking, hence at least 3 years of age, which would make her at least 15 in 622 CE.
3- Tabari reports that Abu Bakr, her father, wished to spare Aisha the discomforts of a journey to Ethiopia soon after 615 CE, and tried to bring forward her marriage to Mut’am’s son. Mut’am refused because Abu Bakr had converted to Islam, but if Aisha was already of mariageable age in 615 CE, she must have been older than 9 in 622 CE.
Tabari also reports that Abu Bakr’s four children were all born during the Pre-Islam period, which has ended in 610 CE. making Aisha at least twelve in 622 CE.
4- Accdording to ibn Hajar, Fatima, the daughter’s Prophet, was 5 years older than Aisha. Fatima is reported to have been born when Muhammad was 35 years old, meaning Aisha was born when he was 40 years old, and thus twelve when Muhammad married at 52.
5- According to the generally accepted tradition, Aisha was born about 8 years before Hijrah (migration to Madina). However, according to another narrative in Bukhari (KItab al-Tafseer) Aisha is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the fifth chapter of the Koran, was revealed, “I was a young girl”. The 54th Surah of the Koran was revealed 9 years before Hijrah. According to this tradition, Aisha had not only been born before the revelation of the referred Surah, but was actually a young girl, not even only an infant at that time. So if this age is assumed to be 7 to 14 years, then her age at the time of marriage would be 14 to 21.
6- According to almost all the historians, Asma the elder sister of Aisha, was 10 years older than Aisha. It is reported in Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb as well as in Ibn Kaqthir’s Al Bidayaqh wa sal-Nihaya that Asma died in the 73d year after migration of Muhammad to Madina when she was 100 years old. Now obviously, if Asma was 100 years old in the 73d year after migration to Madina, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of Hijrah, Aisha should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time.. Thus, if Aisha got married in 1 AH or 2 AH (after migration to Madina), she must have been between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.
7- According to many Ahadith in Bukhari it is believed that Aisha participated in the both of Badr and Uhud battles. Furthermore, in Bukhari’s Kitabul Maghazi, ibn Umar states, “The Prophet did not permit me to participate in Uhud battle, as at that time I was 14 years old. But on the day of the trench battle, when I was 15 years old, the Prophet permitted my participation.” So, since it was not allowed for Muslims younger than 15 years old to participate in Uhud battle, Aisha, who participated in the trench battle, must have been 15 years old in the trench battle, thus her age was at least 13 to 14 at the time of marriage.
Aisha’s marriage to the Prophet was divine revelation. She herself relates from the Prophet, He said, “I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (the angel) showed me by opening your face. You are like that…” (Sahih Muslim, Vol. 2, P. 285).
The Prophet said, “The superiority of Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the levels of perfection, but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran (mother of Jesus) and Asia, the wife of Pharoe.” (Sahih al-Bukhari).
At the time of the Prophet’s death, the Prophet’s head was on her lap. It was in her quarters that the Prophet was buried.
Well Steve, this is how we Muslims read the Sunna if it doesn’t conform with reason, we plunge deep into history to put together the missing pieces.
It is possible that Allah wanted the Prophet to marry a young girl so that she can outlive him by many years so she can serve as an important reference for Muslims long after Muhammad’s death. As his wife she knew more about him than anyone else. A significant portion of the stories and sayings narrated about the Prophet was transmitted through Aisha.
Aisha is one of four persons who transmitted more than 2000 sayings.
* Steve says: the Prophet said, “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped by Allah and that Muhammad is His Apostle, and offers the prayers perfectly, and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and properties from me except for Islamic Laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah.”
This narration of the Prophet is not something light that you may mock at, it’s true and you must take it very seriously. The Prophet was given the task to re-establish and for the last time the kingdom of Allah on earth. He was endowed with the divine power to do that. He engaged in wars with the idolaters, the atheists, the pagans until they testified that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is His Prophet.. This is what is meant by Islam – complete submission to Allah and worshipping Him alone. The Prophet emphasized in all his teachings, the unity of Allah, and openly declared that Islam expressed in the Oneness of Allah is the only religion that will be accepted by Allah on the Day of Resurrection. Religion with Allah is Islam, the religion of all Prophets since Adam until Jesus, and then culminated in the mission of Muhammad.
Given the task of re-establishing the kingdom of Allah for the last time on earth, Muhammad is unique compared to all other Prophets. The completion of his mission led to the following:
1- There is no true religion on the earth except Islam, and that is the final religion which abrogated all previous religions and creeds. Therefore, no other religion remains on earth by which Allah can be worshipped except Islam. Allah the Most High says:
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers (Koran 3:58).
2- The Koran is the last Book that was revealed by the Cherisher of the worlds. It abrogated all the Books revealed by Allah before it, such as the Torah, the Psalms, and the Bible (all these Books were either perished or adulterated) and as such no other Book has been left by which Allah can be worshipped except the Koran. Allah the Most High says:
“And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (the Koran) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it, and trustworthy in highness and a witness over it (old scriptures). So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires (Koran 5: 48).
3- The Torah and the Bible were abrogated by the Koran, and that they were changed by means of additions or deletions by their followers. This was indicated by the Koran. Allah the Most High says:
“So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few.’ (Koran 5:13).
And also:
“Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, ‘This is from Allah.’ To purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for their earnings.” (Koran 2:79).
And also:
“And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongue (as they read), so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say, ‘This is from Allah’, but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it.” (Koran 3:78).
The Prophet got angry when he saw Omar ibn El-Khattab holding a sheet containing some verses from the Torah and he said to him: “O Omar! Are you in doubt? Have I not brough (the Message) as clear as white? If my brother Musa (Moses) had been alive, he would have followed me.” Narrated by Ahmed, Ad-Daarimi and others.
4- The Prophet of Islam is the seal of all Prophets and Messengers. As we read in the Koran:
“Muhammad is not the father of any one of your men, but the Messenger of Allah, and the seal of the Prophets; Allah has knoeledge of everyting (Koran 33:40).
As such, no other Messenger is left to be followed except Muhammad.
As the Koran teaches, if any of Allah’s Prophets had been alive, they too along with their followers would have followed Muhammad.
Allah says in the Koran:
“And (remember) when Allah took compact with the Prophets: ” That I have given you of Book and Wisdom; then there shall come to you a Messenger confirming what is with you – you shall believe in him (if they reach his time) and you shall help him; do you agree?” He said. “And do you take My load on you on that condition?” They said, “We do agree.” Allah said, “Bear witness so, and I shall be with you among the witnesses.” Then whosoever turns his back after that – they are the ungodly. (Koran 3: 31, 32).
Based on the above verse, and the Sunna of the Prophet, when Prophet Jesus comes in a later time he wil follow the teachings of Muhammad and rules by the Koran and Muhammad’s legislation.
Allah says in the Koran:
“Those who follow the Messeger, the Prophet who can neither read or write (Muhammad) whom they find written with them bin the Torah [Deut. CVIII, 15] and the injeel [Gospel of John XIV, 16]” (Koran 7: 157).
5- Muhammad is the only Prophet that was sent to all mankind and not just to certain people as all other Prophets who came before him.
Allah says in His noble Koran:
Say (O Muhammad!) O mankind, I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, of Him to whom belongs the kingdom of heavens and of the earth. There is no God but He. (Koran 7: 158).
According to the description of the Prophet Daniel, ” The citizens of the Kingdom of Allah are the people of the saints.” This is only worthy of the Prince of the Prophets and his noble army of the Muhagereen (emigrants) and Al-Ansar (helpers), who uprooted idolatry from a great part of Asia and Africa and destroyed the Roman Beast.
All the Muslims who believe in Allah, in His angels, all His Books and Prophets, in the Day of Resurrection and Judgment, and that fate whether good or bad is from Allah; and perform their pious practices according to their ability and with good will, are holy saints and blessed citizens of the kingdom.
There is no grosser religious ignorance than the belief that there is a person called the Holy Ghost who fills the hearts of those who are baptized in the name of three gods, each the third of the three, or the three of the third, and thus sanctifies the believers in their absurdities.
A Muslim believes that there is not one Holy spirit, but innumerable holy spirits all created by the One Allah. The Muslims are sanctified, not by baptism or ablution, but their spirits are purified and sanctified by the light of faith and by the fire of zeal and courage to defend and fight for that faith.
John the baptist, or rather Christ himself (according to the Gospel of Barnabas), said, “I Baptize you with water unto repentance, but he who comes after me, he is stronger than I; he will baptize with the fire and with the holy spirit.”
It was this fire and this spirit with which Prophet Muhammad baptized the semi-barbarian nomads, the heathen gentiles, and converted them into an army of heroic saints, who transformed the old waning synagogue, and the decaying church into a permanent and strong kingdom of Allah in the promised lands and elsewhere.
Now the kingdom is established. Now Muhammad is with His God. Now his mission is completed. Now there is in our midst a divine Book that stood the test of time, the Holy Koran.
Now all people know what Islam truly is. It is up to them to believe in the Last Testament sent to the world or don’t believe.There is no compulsion in religion. But all people will be held responsible for what they knew about Islam, and will be asked why they didn’t follow the right path to Allah!
Every soul shall be pledged for what it has earned. Man cannot shift his reponsibilty to vicarious saviours or saints. His redemption depends upon the grace of Allah, for which he should constantly and wholeheartedly strive by means of right conduct. If he does so, he will be redeemed and he will join the Companions of the Right Hand.
* In his persistent attempt to prove that Islam is a violent religion, Steve says that Muhammad slayed the Jewish tribe of Quraiza. He killed 600 or 700 of them, though some put the figure as high as 800-900.
Steve hasn’t explained why they were killed, he just emphasized the killing act in order to make the Prophet appears as an evil man!
A year before the immigration to Medina, the prophet made the “Pledge of Aqaba.” The pledge was made between Muhammad and seventy three men and two women belonging to the tribes of Khazraj and Aws of Madina. They recognized Muhammad as a prophet and accepted Islam as a religion. They invited the Prophet and the Muslims from Makkah to migrate to Medina and promised to treat them as true brothers and sisters. As part of the pledge, they were to protect the Prophet as they would protect their women and children if the Prophet were attacked by the Makkans.
Because Muhammad was known among the Arabs with truthfulness and faithfulness, and the best in conduct in Makkah, the people of Madina wanted him to bring peace and security between their warring tribes, Khazrag and Aws. The two tribes were often at war with each other for several generations, and the Battle of Bu’ath had shattered their strength completely. The people of Madina desperately needed a political leader who could be trusted by both tribes and bring peace to their city.
Leaving the city of his birth as a refugee, Muhammad entered the city of his adoption as an honored chief. The seer in him now recedes into the background and the practical man of politics comes to the fore. The Prophet is overshadowed by the statesman.
Among the people in Madina there were three tribes of Jews; the Bani Qainuqa, Bani An-Nadeer and Bani Quraitha. The Jews lived in their own quarters and constituted almost half of the city’s population. Because of wars going on for several decades between the two Arab tribes, Aws and Khasraj, the resources of the Arabs were depleted and their influence in Madina was dwindling. The Jews governed their relations with the two Arab tribes based on their own interests. The Jews of Bani Nadir and Bani Quraiza supported the Aws, and Bani Qainuqa supported the khazraj. The continuing wars boosted the economy and personal wealth of the Jews.
The Jews dominated the political, economic and intellectual life of Madina. It was easy for them to operate their usurious system. In their pawn shops, the Jews did not only accept valuable articles as pledges, but would also take women and children as security against the payment of loans. This system secured a strong financial position for the Jews, which enabled them to manipulate the market and exploit it to their own advantage. They would do anything which ensured any material gain. It was the Jews who caused all the civil wars which considerably weakened both the Aws and Khasraj tribes. They caused the war to flare up between the two tribes, wherever they judged that such a war would be to their own advantage. Hence the whole Arab population hated them for their selfishness, usury and for the means they adopted to get rich.
Jews of Arabia in the days of the Holy Prophet had lost their original beliefs. They had taken much to sorcery, magic and divination. They strongly believed in falsehood, idols, priests and necromancers. They regarded the infidels of Makkah with admiration and considered them better in faith than the Muslims. They wished that Muhammad should go astray from the right path and sought the aid of Makkan pagans with whom they intrigued against the holy Prophet. The Koran narrated their disbelief and bad intention towards the Muslims.
Racial arrogance made the Jews adverse to the reception of truth when it came through Muhammad, a Messenger of Allah not of their own race.
When there came to them a Book (the Koran) from Allah, confirming what was with them, and they aforetimes prayed for victory over the unbelievers – when there came to them what they recognized, they disbelieved in it; and the curse of Allah is on the disbelievers (Al-Baqarah, 89).
When the Prophet first arrived to Madina, he established the pact of Madina. It determined and clarified the relations between the various tribes and the Muslims in Madina.
The Madina pact signed by the Prophet with the various tribes consists of 47 articles. The first 23 articles deals with the rights and duties of the Muslims in Madina, while the remaining 24 articles deal with those of the Jews. The articcle 16 obliged to help and support the Jews who joined them. Article 24 obliges Jews to share the war expenditure with Muslims as long as the war continues. The articles 25-31 define the position of all the Jewish tribes as constituting one nation together with the Muslims. Both were free to practice their religion, having equal rights regarding their persons and their clients. The article 37 states that the Jews are responsible for their own expenses and the Muslims for their own.
The article further obliges the signatories to support each other against those external attacks. The article 42 stipulates that in case of dispute between the parties they must refer it to Allah and His Messenger. The remaining four articles state that the parties will not ally with the Quraish, or with their supporters. In case of attack on Madina they will support each other. Both will stand by the pact, without altering its terms, or violating them. Allah is ally of those who abide by the pact.
The Makkan tribe of Quraish prepared an army of ten thousand well-equipped men, under the command of Abu Sufian bin Harb, and marched towards Madina. The army encamped near Mount Uhud, a few miles from the city, and put Madina under siege. The Muslims could gather only an army of three thousand men. Seeing their inferiority in numbers on the one hand, and the turbulence of the hypocrites within the town on the other, the Muslims preferred to remain on the defensive. They dug a deep moat round the unprotected quarters of Medina and encamped outside the city with a trench in front of them. They relied for safety of the southern part of the city upon their allies, the Jewish tribe, Bani Quraiza, who possessed fortresses at a short distance towards the south and were bound by the compact to assist the Muslims against any raiders. These Jews however, were induced by the idolaters to violate their pledge and to join the Quraish. As these Jews were acquainted with the hypocrites of Medina, they were waiting for an opportunity to play their part; the situation of Muslims inside the city of Medina was therefore most dangerous.
During the siege, Quraish sent Huyay bin Akhtab, the Jewish leader of the Bani an Nadir, to the Bani Quraiza so as to induce them to break the treaty and join the war against Muhammad. In the beginning they refused saying that they had a treaty with Muhammad who had faithfully abided by it, thus giving them no cause for complaint. But when Ibn Akhtab said to them, “Look, I have summoned the united force of entire Arabia against Muhammad; this is a perfect opportunity to get rid of him, if you lose it, you will never have another chance.” The anti-Islamic Jewish mind prevailed over every moral consideration and the Bany Quraiza Jews were persuaded to break the treaty. The plan was that the Jews of Bani Quraisa assault Madina from the rear, massacring Muslim’s women and children. Some Jews even joined the siege.
The siege had lasted for twenty days. The pagans of Makkah made great efforts to cross the trench, but every attempt was fiercely repulsed by the small Muslim force. By the aid of Allah, disunion became rife in the midst of the besieging army. Their horses were perishing fast, and provisions were becoming less every day. During the night, a storm of wind and rain caused their tents to be overthrown and their lights extinguished.
The support of Allah to the Muslim army defending the trench was narrated in the Koran:
O believers, remember Allah’s blessing upon you when hosts came upon you, and we loosed against them a wind, and hosts (troops of angels) you saw not; and Allah sees the things you do.
When they (the pagans of Makkah) came against you from above you and from below you, and when your eyes swerved, and your hearts reached your throats, and you were harboring doubts about Allah.
There the believers were tried, and shaken most mightily (Al-Ahzāb 9-11).
Abu Sufian, the leader of the pagans and the majority of his army fled, and the rest took refuge with the tribe of Bani Quraisa.
Allah said about the defeat and fled of the army of the idolaters:
And Allah drove back those that were unbelievers in their rage, and they attained no good; Allah spared the believers of fighting. Surely Allah is All-Strong, All-Mighty (Al-Ahzāb, 25).
The Muslims though they were satisfied with the failure of their enemies, could not help thinking that the victory was unsatisfactory so long as the Jewish tribe of Quraisa, who had violated their sworn pledge, remained so near. The Jews might at any time surprise Madina from their side.
The Muslims demanded an explanation for the violation of the pledge, but the Jews utterly refused. This was the final straw for Muhammad, whose mind was now set on conquering Makkah, and the last thing he would be willing to tolerate was a fifth column undermining his strategy. The Jews were filled with terror and dismay when Madina was free from Quraish danger, and shut themselves up in their castles.
On the very day the siege ended, Muhammad returned his troops on the tribe of Bani Quraisa who had betrayed his city in the hour of danger. This was not a mere human strategic decision on the part of the Prophet; rather, it had been commanded by Allah through the angel Gabriel.
According to the narration of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, “The Prophet returned from the battle and laid down his arms and took a bath. The Angel Gabriel came to Muhammad while he (Gabriel) was shaking the dust off his head, and said, “You have laid down your arms? By Allah, I have not laid them down. Go out to them (to attack them). The Prophet said, “Where?” Gabriel pointed towards Bani Quraisa”
The Koran says in this regard:
Surely the worst of beasts in Allah’s sight are the unbelievers, who will not believe. They are those with whom you made a covenant, but they break their covenant every time and they do not fear Allah.
So if you gain the mastery over them in war, reduce them into a useless form to disperse the ones behind them; haply they will remember.
And should you suspect treachery on the part of a people with whom you have concluded a peace treaty, then let them know that you have cancelled your covenant just the same; Allah detests indeed the treacherous (Al-anfal 55-58).
Consequently the Jews were besieged and compelled to surrender at discretion. They asked that their punishment should be left to the judgment of Sa’d ibn Mu’az, an old friend of the Jews, and chief of the Aus tribe with which they had been in alliance. The Prophet accepted their demand and allowed Sa’d to pronounce judgment. Sa’d ibn Mu’az was a fierce Muslim soldier, and had been wounded in the attack, and, indeed, died of his wounds the following day. Infuriated by the treacherous conduct of the Bani Quraisa, Sa’d gave judgment according to the Torah that: the fighting men should be put to death, and that the women and children should become the slaves of the Muslims. The Prophet approved the sentence, calling it similar to Allah’s judgment.The sentence was carried into execution.
Allah says in this respect:
And He brought down those of the People of the Book who supported them from their fortresses and cast terror in their hearts; some you slew, some you make captive.
And He bequeathed upon you their lands, their habitations, and their possessions, and a land you never trod. Allah is powerful over everything (Al-Ahzāb 26, 27).
If it had not been the divine help of Allah, Muslims would have been stabbed in the back and would have been surely defeated.
It’s the penalty of treason. The penalty of breaching the covenant of Madina. Or maybe Steve prefers that the act of treachery be forgiven, and to hell with the lives of Muslims.
* Steve says: How many terrorist attacks have been performed by Muslims, and since 9-11 how many terrorist attacks have been performed by Christians?
Can anyone in the world points his finger to a certain person and says, “This is the one behind the attack of September 11?”. Is it Bin Laden, a man living in a cave with no technological means! Give me one name, the proofs we hear in this matter are nothing but speculations, and according to many authors who published books concerning this subject, the conspiracy theory still has good ground. If the Arabs are really involved in this matter, then America has to change its policy in the Middle East. Again, this event of September 11, has nothing to do with Islam, it is due to the bad policy George Bush the son adopted in the Middle East.
What is the definition of terrorism in your view? All the suicidal bombing conducted by unarmed Palestinians to retaliate against Israeli agression (killing children, demolishing houses, stealing the land, etc…) is not terrorism. Unarmed people have the right to defend themselves the way they find it effective. A man who sacrifices his own soul by killing himself and some of his enemies with him because he has no other means to defend himself is not a terrorist. The terrorist never kills himself. He hides in the darkness waiting for his victim, then kills in cold blood, then flees the place like a coward fearing of being discovered. Those who defend their countries against foreign forces are not terrorists. The invaders under any pretext (freedom, liberty, democracy etc) are the true terrorists. The robbers of the land, the demolishers of the houses, the killers of the children, the killers of helpless men and despearate women are the real terrorists.
Like an ignorant parrot, again and again, you claim that Islam (the peaceful religion) is a violent religion. This shows clearly that you are completely separated from the history of your Christian religion. Am I going to teach you always about facts known to common people?
You say that 16,950 attacks had been performed by Muslims since September 11! Where did you get this figure from? I’ll show you the real numbers indicating glaring terroriism committed by the Christian West.
Statitics revealed that less than 5% of Muslims could be classified as fundamentalists in outlook, and that 5%, less than 0.01% have shown any tendency toward enacting terrorism or religious violence. It is thus a mistake to define as terrorists over 1.3 billion Muslims who have nothing to do with religious violence because of the misdeeds of a fringe minority of 0.005%. At most, one in every 200,000 Muslims can be accused of terrorism. In other words, there are a maximum of about 65,000 terrorists worldwide – roughly the same figure as the number of murderers on the loose in the U.S. alone, with over 20,000 homicides a year and a population of only 300 million.
Violence is already embeded in the Christian religion. Christian history is a great scandal to the human race. Old and New Testaments have been misinterpreted by Christians, causing the Christian religion to become an imperialistic war- nongering religion whose adherents have believede that they were instructed by God to invade the homelands of non-Christian peoples, take possession of their lands and resources, annihilate many of the indigenous inhabitants as well as subjugate and exploit the remaining innocent indigenous peoples.
Orthodox Jews to this present day believe that their promised Messiah will come and fully restore the kingdom of Israel, and then God will violently annihilate all nations that will not serve their nation and Messiah.
Likewise, the Christians were supposed to initiate Jesus appearing as a lamb. However, the Christian mission has been wrongly oriented to both the violent war-mongering Jewish pursuits of the past, pursuits associated with their Old Testament directives, to either annihilate or conquer other nations.
Wrongly interpreting Old and New Testament scriptures, the Western christian nations have often put themselves in the position of the chosen Israelites while putting other nations in the place of the Amelikes, Hittites, Canaanites etc..and have, therefore, felt justified in destroying them.
The mental model of a chosen people and a promised land provides a convenient rationalization whereby one people feels entitled and justified, by divine right, to take over, possess and profit from the lands of other peoples.
The indigenous peoples of the New World were viewed by the founders of the United States as new Canaanites of the new land of Canaan, a promised inheritance and everlasting possession, for some new chosen people – white Euro-American Christians.
Nowhere in the Islamic history can find a doctrine similar to Saint Augustine’s cognite intrare (lead them in – i.e. force them to convert). In fact the Koran says the exact opposite: There are no compulsion in religion (2: 256). Augustine’s frightening idea that all must be compelled to “conform” to the “true Christian faith” has unleached centuries of unparalleled bloodshed. Indeed, christians have suffrered more under the rule of Christian civilization than under pre-Christian Roman rule or any other rule in history. Millions were tortured and slaughtered in the name of Christianity during the period of the Arian, Dotanist, and Albigensian heresies. to say nothing of the various inquisitions, or the Crusades, when the European armies were saying, as they slaugthered both Christian and Muslim Arabs: “Kill them all, God will know his own.” Needless to say, these transgressions, and indeed all the transgressions of Christians throughout the ages have absolutely nothing to do with the peaceful religion of Jesus.
By no means was such indiscriminate violence limited to Europe’s dark ages or to one period of Christian history. The reformation and counter reformation took inter-Christian slaughter to new extremes; two thirds of the Christian population of Europe being slaughtered during this time. Then there were the Napolionioc wars (1792-1815); the African slave trade that claimed the lives of 10 million; and the colonial conquests.
Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years and during this time, they lived with Jews and Christians in a spirit of tolerance and cooperation. But the moment Christians took over, and the Muslims became the weaker segment of the population, the hate in the catholic’s hearts came out with a vengeance. Muslims were either killed, converted, or forced to leave Spain and their heritages was destroyed.
A number of inferences follow from the chosen people-promised land model (Deuteromony 20:10) such as, indigenous peoples are to be removed (Indian Removal Act), put into a condition of servitude (enslavenent of the Indians of California), exterminated to make room for the chosen people of the United States (massacres at Sand Creek and wounded knee, spreading deadly deceases, including the decease of alcholism) – a decease that is still destroying many indigenous peoples.
Estimates for the number of native Americans slaughtered by the Europeans in North, Central and South America run as high as 20 million within three generations.
Despite the ravages of Europe’s violent past, in the 20th century, western civilization took warfare to new extremes. A conservative estimate puts trhe total number of brutal deaths in the 20th century at more than 250 million. Of these, Muslims are responsible for less than 10 million deaths. Christians or those coming from Christian backgrouds, account for more than 200 million of these! The greatest death totals come from World War I (about 20 million, at least 90% of which were inflicted by Christians), and World War II (90 million, at least 50% of which were inflicted by Christians, the majority of the rest occuring in the Far East.).
For centuries Christian nations while going in the way of their misguided chosen people-promised land world domination imperialistc, war mongering mission-have been brutally terrorizing one Muslim nation after another. In the Middle ages they came to Muslim countries as crusaders, and killed hudreds of thousands of Muslims. They colonized many Muslim countries and tried to destroy their culture and religion. The most cruel tyrant in history, Hitler came from a Christian country. Western Christian nations fought two world wars with tens of millions dead and untold misery for the living. The French Christians killed about a Million Muslims in Algeria because they wanted independence from their white European christian colonist oppressors. The Christian nation has killed hundreds of thousands of Muslim Iraqis. Israel has been for half a century anihilating the unarmed Muslim Palestinians with the help of America the Christian nation.
Given this grim history, it appears that the Christian West must submit that Islamic civilization has actually been incomparably less brutal than Christian civilization. Did the Holocaust of over 5 million Jews occur out of the background of a Muslim civilization?
This inhuman Christian brutality continued even until the near past –
witness the slaughter of 900,000 Ruwandans in 1994 in a population that was over 90& Christian; or the genocide of over 300,000 Muslims and systematic rape of over 100,000 Muslim women by Christian Serbs in Cossovo and Bosnia between 1992-1995.
Conclusion: The horrible truth is that, numerically and statistically speaking, Christian civilization is the bloodiest and the most violent of all civilizations in all of history, and is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths. Christian history is a great scandal to the human race. Christianity of Jesus is not that of love, peace and justice anymore.
Scientifically and statistically speaking, can you deny these facts Steve?
* Steve says: “Where in the Koran does it say love thy neighbor?
A prevalent myth throughout the world is that god of Islam is not a loving god. This idea has no basis in truth. First, the concept of a “god of Islam” is wrong, as God of Islam is the same God of all human beings, whether they call themselves Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists …etc. Second, since the Koran is the Word of Allah and the only Scripture that stood the test of time we can go through it to see whether Allah is a loving God or not.
Love in the Koran is not by turning the other cheek to your enemy. Love in Islam is directed to the benefit of the Islamic community and the welfare of Muslim’s.society. With love based on what Allah loves and what He does not, justice, goodness and righteousness prevail in the Muslim society and the deeds of Muslims become prosperous in the worldly life and accepted in the Hereafter.
According to the Holy Koran, the love of God is expressed and emphasized many times over throughout the Book. Allah loves the charitable (2: 195, 3: 134); the righteous, those who fulfill obligations (3:76; 5: 93); the steadfast (3: 146); the good doers (3: 148); those who trust Him (3: 159); the benevolent (5: 13); those who purify themselves (9: 108); the equitable (5: 52); the just (49: 9); those who are clean (2: 222); and those who fight in His cause united in one column, like bricks in one wall (61: 4). These values earn Allah’s love because they support His cause, guarantee a peaceful, loving and responsible community of believers who encourage each other to be righteous, care for the poor, the relative, the orphans, the neighbors, the travelling aliens and each other.
Another misunderstanding throughout the world today, is that Allah loves everyone and everything. This concept is illogical. Why would Allah love those who are spreading corruption on earth, killing the innocent, torturing the weak and disabled, robbing people of their belongings and freedom, polluting the environment, raping women or girls, and abusing children? These are our enemies and Allah’s enemies. Some people commit evil and blaspheme regulary, disregard commandments and do not believe in the One who created and provides them. If Allah loves us unconditionally, why we uphold commandmends? Why would Allah even issue any command if he loves us regardless of what we do? Surely if Allah loves us all unconditionally, we would all have a license to commit the worst of evils while assured that we will end up in heaven. This would throw the world into a state of chaos and disorganization that will end any meaningful civilization. The Koran gives us the truth in this matter. Each trait that Allah does not love or dislikes is specifically laid out in the Koran. For example, Allah does not love: the agressors (2: 190); corruption and corruptors (2: 205, 28: 77); the unjust ( 3: 37, 140; 42: 40); the arrogant (4: 36; 16: 23; 28: 76); the betrayer, guilty (34: 107; 8: 58); the evildoers (5: 64); the wasters (6: 141); the gluttons (7: 31); the transgressors (7: 55); the disbelievers (3: 32; 30: 45); betrayer, unappreciative (22: 38) and the boastful, proud (57: 23).
Allah then loves us for the good we do and does not love those who do evil.
Allah the Most-Gracious, the Most-Merciful, did not close the door for the sinners, He gave them the chance to repent, reform and come back to Him. If they do that before they die or get closer to death, Allah guarantees them forgiveness, guidance and eternal happiness in the Hereafter. This is true love, a truly constructive love.
The believers strive to earn Allah’s love. Allah loves the repentants (2: 222); those who love Allah and follow His Messenger (3: 31-32); those who love Allah 95: 54); those who are kind to the believers and stern with the disbelievers and strive in the cause of Allah without fear of any blame (5: 54); believe and lead a righteous life (19: 96).
The Prophet said, “Not one of you is believer until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.” (Forty Hadith of An-Nawawi, 13).
* Steve says: “Did Jesus ever wage a military campaign? Did he instructed his apostles to lie, deceive and murder? Did apostles after Jesus death perform any battles or wage wars against anyone?
In the New Testament Jesus sometimes appears like a lamb, this image of Jesus is only associated with his first coming. The Scriptures say that during his second coming, he will come with power and glory (Rev. 5: 5, cf. Micah 5: 8). Jesus will engage in a horendous fight with the anti-Christ and his troops of the unbelievers. Jesus will kill the anti-Christ as well as his troops of the idolaters, atheists, polytheists, Zanadiqa etc.. So, here, from a lamb, Jesus will turn into a mighty warrior! According to your sick perception about our Prophet, Jesus here has turned into a murderer, because he will be killing kafirs!
Muhammad didn’t instruct his companions to lie, deceive and murder. Muhammad established a vast Islamic empire, his disciples were his troops, and his Message took the pagans from darkness to light.
Jesus had a very short prophetic life and lived under conditions that did not permit war, so he did not attempt any wars. Otherwise, he too would have destroyed the weeds and trouble-makers of human society.
If you have any logic in your sick mind Steve, you wouldn’t have compared Muhammad with Jesus. Jesus was sent specifically to the Israelites, Muhammad was sent to all humanity. While the original Message of Jesus was distorted and deviated away from monotheism, the Message of the final Prophet Muhammad was to stay valid and preserved to the end of time. While Jesus’s emphasis was on moral salvation and reform of the individual, with only a few rulings on marriage and divorce, the final Message of Islam brought a detailed comprehensive code dealing with all aspects of human life: personal, family, social, economic, political, and international. Jesus stressed purifying the soul; Muhammad was to build and maintain the model: individual, society and nation. The ministry of Jesus lasted only 1.5 to 3 years, but in his second coming he will rule for a good number of years. Jesus in his second coming will rule by the Koran, the only divine Book that stood the test of time, and he will pray the Muslim prayers, until he dies and meets his Lord. This is why Muhammad is considered the seal of the Prophets, because Jesus in his second coming, will not introduce to the people any new divine Book, just the Koran.
* About the verses I quoted from your Bible and Gospel indicating slavery, violence, genocide etc…you were not able to answer back, a matter indicating your ignorance of your own religion. You were defeated, so you resorted to ugly insults! About the verse I quoted from the Old Testament indicating racism, your answer was really rediculous, you said: “you should know being a well educated Islamist that Christians don’t follow the Old Testament.”
Poor man, you have surely blasphemed against your religion by saying such a statement! Since you have blasphemed already, why don’t you embrace Islam? Allah might forgive your sins as well as the polytheism you were immersed into for such a long time.
Hear me, ignorant parrot:
Jesus said: “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law (Torah), or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil (M’t 5: 17).
Jesus also said: “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven (M’t 5: 19).
But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the Commandments (M’T 19: 17).
The verses show clearly that Jesus ordered his disciples to follow the Commandments of the Torah, and he who breaks any of them will be the least in the kingdom of heaven.
As we read in the Koran:
And We sent, following in their footstepts, Jesus son of Mary, confirming the Torah before him; and We gave to him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah before it, as a guidance and an admonition unto the godfearing (Al-Maida, 46).
What would you follow now Steve after you abandoned the Commandments of the Torah, the four man-made adulterated gospels you have in possession now? I advise you to follow the Koran.
While the original Message of Jesus was distorted and deviated away from monotheism, the Message of the final Prophet Muhammad was to stay valid and preserved to the end of time.
Jesus never claimed to be God, or part of a God. He never mentioned Trinity, or did he appoint a church to entrust itself with reshaping the faith and re-inventing the law. The deviation started with Paul and some others-leaders, clergy and philosophers-centuries after Jesus’departure. Christianity as we know it today was re-formulated with the concepts of:
1- Trinity, centered around the Prophet Jesus who was thenceforth called God, begotten son of God!
2- The sacrosanct Church of Christ, talking and enacting laws in the name of God.
3- the story of crucifixion and resurrection from the dead.
4- Original sin and atonement.
Most of these distortions were borrowed or coined from earlier pagan creeds. Close similarities can be found between this Pauline Christianity and Mithraism, Buddhism, and ancient Egyptian polytheist creeds.
During the seventh century CE when Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, was sent, there were only a few groups of followers of the original Message and teachings of Jesus. The Injeel (Gospel) revealed to Jesus no longer existed in any form, as was the case with the Tawrah (Torah) of Moses before him. They were replaced with the Old and New Testaments written by different authors selected and sanctioned as holy by the Church ecumenical councils, several centuries after the departure of Jesus.
It was high time then to re-establish the eternal guidance of the Creator to all humanity, but this time in a final eternal form, through the glorious Kuran and the detailed teachings and living model of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.
Jesus prophesized the coming Prophet whose universal Message will stay forever:
“He is the one who comes after me, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie ( John 1: 27).
“And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever.” (John 14: 16).
Plenty of other definitive descriptions that fit only Prophet Muhammad can be cited from both the Old and New Testaments.
* When I quoted from the Torah a verse indicating racism i.e. “We ourselves who are Jews by birth and no gentile sinners.”, Steve shouted, “How is this racist…” and he didn’t answer the question, but rather introduced from the Bible some passages narrating the story of Hagar and Sarah! I read the passages and I found a glaring deviation from the truth. The verses say that Abraham had two sons one by the slave woman (Hagar) and the second by the free woman (Sarah). Hagar was in slavery with her children, while Sarah’s children were children of promise. The scipture says” Get rid of the slave woman and her son (Ishmael) for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son (Isaak and his siblings)…
These verses indicate slavery and extreme racism. In Islam there is no slave people. All people before Allah are free and similar. The most honorable in the sight of Allah is the most godfearing.
Since the Koran stated in several verses that the Jews had tampered with the verses of the Torah, I find the above verses far away from the truth.
I therefore explains the truth as mentioned in the Koran in the following:
According to Islam the leaders of both Judaism and Christianity deliberately altered the true words of Allah, and thus led all of their believers down a false path. In the Koran Allah charges the Jewish people with falsehood, distortion, and of being corrupters of Scripture. In this view, the Jewish Bible and Christian New Testament are true, but the Jews and Christians misinterpreted and misunderstood the meaning of their own Scriptures, and thus need the Koran to clearly understand the will of Allah. This is known as the ‘doctrine of the corruption of the text’.
O people of the Book! Why do you clothe Truth with falsehood and conceal the Truth while you have knowledge? (Al Imran 71).
Do you (Muslims) expect that they (Jews) will be believers, while some of them (Rabbis) used to listen to the Revelations of Allah (Torah), then intentionally perverted and tampered with it, while they knew it was the Truth (Al Baqara 75).
So woe to those who write the Scripture with their hands, then say, “This is from Allah.” To trade with it for a pitiful price! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn from it (Al Baqara 79).
The Koran, the last divine revelation, rewrote the role of Abraham and presented Muslims as the only people chosen to carry the true word of Allah.
The Koran teaches that Abraham is the founder of Islam, and that Prophet Muhammad was ordered by Allah to follow the religion of Abraham. All religious practices in Islam came to Muslims from Abraham. Abraham was the first recipient of the concept of Islam as a practice, and the first to call believers to the Oneness of Allah.
In this connection the Koran says:
“And strive for Allah as His due; for He has chosen you, and has not imposed difficulty upon you in religion. The faith of your father Abraham, he named you Muslims before, thus the Messenger will be a witness over you, and you will be witnesses over all mankind. So establish prayer, and pay the alms, and hold fast to Allah, He is your protector, the most Excellent Protector, the most Excellent Helper.” (Al Hajj, 78).
O people of earlier Scripture! Why do you argue about Abraham, when the Torah and Injeel (Bible) were not revealed until after him? Do you have not minds? (Al Imran 65).
Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian but he was truly Muslim, and never was he of the polytheists.
Most surely the people who are worthier of Abraham are those who followed him, this Prophet (Muhammad) and those who believed. Allah is the Guardian of the believers (Al Imran, 67-68).
Indeed Abraham was a nation devoting himself to Allah, a man of pure faith and he was never of the polytheists. Grateful for His favors, He chose him, and guided him to the Straight Path.
And We blessed him with goodness in this world. And surely, he in the Hereafter shall be among the righteous.
Then We revealed to you: “Follow the religion of Abraham a man of pure faith who was never of the polytheists (An Nahl 120-123).
There is a very ancient religious dispute between the Jews and the Muslims about the questions concerning the birthright and the Covenant.
Allah does not act arbitrarily, but deals with individuals and nations on the basis of great contracts or covenants which He Himself initiates. Everything Allah has done in regard to man’s salvation is made on one or more of the covenants He has made in the past.
Before and during the time of Noah, the human race passed through a state of corruption to the point that Allah sent a flood to destroy the evil. Allah preserved the eight persons who still trusted in Him, Noah and his family. After the flood, Allah told the people to be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. So they immigrated in all directions. Those who immigrated east built a city and a tower at Babylon, and established there a false religious system. Several hundreds years later people had established cultures in many places. There were some who still retained the truth passed down to them by their fathers from the time of Noah, but there were many who had abandoned that truth (Oneness of the only true God, Allah).
Allah picked out one man called Abraham from the city of UR of the Chaldees, a place where most people no longer believed in Allah.
The Lord had said to Abraham, “Leave your country, your people and your father’s household and go to the land I will show you. I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” (Genesis 12:1-2).
Abraham manifested his love and zeal for Allah when he entered into the temple and destroyed all the idols and images therein. He came out unhurt and triumphantly from the burning furnace wherein he was cast by the order of Nimrod. He left his native land for Haran in the company of his father and his nephew Lot. He was seventy-five years old when his father died at Haran. In obedience and absolute resignation to the divine call, he left his country and started a long and varied journey to the land of Canaan, to Egypt and to Arabia. His wife Sarah was barren; yet Allah announced to him that he was destined to become the father of many nations, that all the territories he was to traverse shall be given as an inheritance to his descendants, and that, by his seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed. This unique promise was met with an unshaken faith on the part of Abraham who had no son. When he was led out to look at the sky at night and told by Allah that his posterity would be as numerous as the stars, and as innumerable as the sand which is on the shores of the sea, Abraham believed it. And it was this belief in Allah that was counted righteousness.
A virtuous poor Egyptian girl called Hagar was a slave and a maid in the service of Sarah. At the consent of Sarah Hagar was married to the Prophet, and from this union Ishmael was born, as foretold by the Angel. When Ishmael was thirteen years old, Allah again sent His Angel with His revelation to Abraham; the same promise was repeated to Abraham; the rite of circumcision was formally instituted and immediately executed. Abraham at his ninetieth year of age, Ishmael, and all the male servants, were circumcised; and the “Covenant” between Allah and Abraham with his only begotten son was made and sealed. It was a kind of treaty concluded between Heaven and the Promised Land in the person of Ishmael as the only offspring of the nonagenarian patriarch. Abraham promised allegiance and fealty to his Creator, and Allah promised to be forever the Protector of the posterity of Ishmael.
Ishmael was therefore the legitimate son of Abraham, his first born, and hence his claim to birthright was quite just and legal. The Covenant was then made between Allah and Abraham as well as his only son Ishmael before Isaac was born. The prerogative that by Abraham all the generations of the earth shall be blessed, was the heritage by birthright, and was the patrimony of Ishmael. The inheritance to which Ishmael was entitled by birthright was to subjugate and occupy forever all the territories extending from the Nile to the Euphrates, which were inhabited by some ten different nations. These lands had never been subdued by the descendants of Isaac, but by those of Ishmael. This was an actual and literal fulfillment of one of the conditions contained in the Covenant.
Isaac was also born miraculously and blessed by Allah. He was promised the land of Canaan which was actually occupied by Joshua. The Jews however, had always been jealous of Ishmael because they knew very well that in him the Covenant was made and with his circumcision it was concluded and sealed, and it was out of this rancor that their rabbis had corrupted and interpolated many passages in their scriptures. To efface the name Ishmael from the second, sixth, and seventh verses of the twenty-second chapter of the Book of Genesis and to insert in its place Isaac, and to leave the descriptive epithet “the only begotten son” was to deny the existence of the former and to violate the Covenant made between Allah and Ishmael.
In this regard Allah says in the Koran:
Do you (Muslims) expect that they (Jews) will be believers, while some of them (Rabbis) used to listen to the Revelations of Allah (Torah), then intentionally perverted and tampered with it, while they knew it was the truth?
So woe to those who write the Scripture with their hands, then say, “This is from Allah”, to trade with it for a pitiful price! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn from it.
Surely those who conceal what Allah has revealed of the Book, and sell it for a miserable price, eat nothing in their bellies but fire, and Allah will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He purify them, and for them there will be a painful chastisement.
Those are they who buy error for guidance, and torment in place of forgiveness, how will they be able to bear the fire? (Al Baqarah 75, 79,174,175).
And when Allah took Covenant with those who were given earlier Scripture, “You shall certainly make it known to all people, and you shall not conceal it.” But they flung it behind their backs and bartered it away for a miserable price, how evil was that they purchased! (Al Imran, 187).
Allah who made the Covenant with Ishmael described the law of inheritance, namely: if a man had two wives, one beloved and the other despised, and each one had a son, and the son of the despised wife was first born, that son, and not the son of the beloved wife, was entitled to the birthright.
Consequently the first born shall inherit twice that of his younger brother (Duet.xxi.15-17). Was not, then, this law explicit enough to put to silence all who dispute the just claim of Ishmael to birthright?
Abraham was a nomad chief a
Steve
More Lies of Islam?
Well according to Dr. Moosoo this is LOL
A Pakistani Christian woman and mother of seven, who last August was kidnapped, raped, sold into marriage and threatened with death if she did not convert to Islam was freed this week
Democracyistheanswer
Islam is a religion of peace, as long as kafirs submit to sharia. They become pacified dhimmis, not with human rights that are fixed, but privileges that are removed upon the slightest pretext.
When kafirs resist the supremacy of sharia, Islam is a supremacist, political movement of unmitigated violence.
Both statements are true, because Islam is duplicitous.
There is no good in Islam for a kafir.
Democracyistheanswer
Only a jihadist is ASSURED of entry to paradise.
That means Islam promotes violence.
Violence (jihad) is ‘the highest deed’ and ‘the hump of the camel’ in Islam.
Refuting the centrality of violence (jihad) refutes Islam.
Steve
Pssssst. Hey Moosoo expalin this
Volume 4, Book 53, Number 386; Narrated Jubair bin Haiya: Umar {the second Caliph} sent the Muslims to the great countries to fight the pagans. ? When we reached the land of the enemy, the representative of Khosrau {Persia} came out with forty-thousand warriors, and an interpreter got up saying, “Let one of you talk to me!” Al-Mughira replied, ? “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: “Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master
I’m sure this is a lie right Moosoo?
when Muawiya {the Muslim commander} arrived {in Euchaita in Armenia} he ordered all the inhabitants to be put to the sword; he placed guards so that no one escaped. After gathering up all the wealth of the town, they set to torturing the leaders to make them show them things [treasures] that had been hidden. The Taiyaye {Muslim Arabs} led everyone into slavery — men and women, boys and girls — and they committed much debauchery in that unfortunate town: they wickedly committed immoralities inside churches. They returned to their country rejoicing. (Michael the Syrian, quoted in Bat Ye’or, The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam, 276-7.)
More lies Mooshoo?
223 <2 December 837>, Abd ar-Rahman b. al Hakam, sovereign of Spain, sent an army against Alava; it encamped near Hisn al-Gharat, which it besieged; it seized the booty that was found there, killed the inhabitants and withdrew, carrying off women and children as captives. In 231 <6 September 845>, a Muslim army advanced into Galicia on the territory of the infidels, where it pillaged and massacred everyone.
More Lies?
describing the scene following the final assault on Constantinople:
Several thousand of the survivors had taken refuge in the cathedral: nobles, servants, ordinary citizens, their wives and children, priests and nuns. They locked the huge doors, prayed, and waited. {Caliph} Mahomet {II} had given the troops free quarter. They raped, of course, the nuns being the first victims, and slaughtered. At least four thousand were killed before Mahomet stopped the massacre at noon. He ordered a muezzin {one who issues the call to prayer} to climb into the pulpit of St. Sophia and dedicate the building to Allah. It has remained a mosque ever since. Fifty thousand of the inhabitants, more than half the population, were rounded up and taken away as slaves.
Steve
Hey Mooshoo you said
“In your previous post you mentioned some Koranic verses in order to prove that islam is a violent religion. Another big lie you are promulgating. ”
Explain this.
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 795; Narrated Anas: The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died
And this
Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57; Narrated Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to Ali {the fourth Caliph} and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, “Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).” I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him.”
and of course this.
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177; Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour {of the Last Judgment} will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him
Then you go on some rant and say this.
“You accused the honorable prophet of Islam with raping, a matter that could never happen from a man that brought the light which guided people to the true path of salvation.”
Well Mooshoo explain this.
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88; Narrated Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Then you said this.
“you big fat lier”
I actually liked the movie but I digress LOL
Then you say this.
“In Islam war is permissible in self defence”
Well now explain this.
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24; Narrated Ibn Umar: Allah’s Apostle said: “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah.”
and of course this. I can see how unarmed and defeated prisoners can justify a continuation of war against them. I guess if there were gas chambers like the ones hitler used it would have been cleaner. you know less blood and all. Same premise. march them to a location and slaughter them and then throw a party like they just did in Palestine on beheading what a 3 year old. Tell me Mooshoo were you there handing out candy and praising allah with your fellow islamists?
Sira, p463-4: Then they {the tribe of Quraiza} surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of Bani al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy bin Akhtab and Kab bin Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the Apostle they asked Kab what he thought would be done with them. He replied, “Will you never understand? Don’t you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!” This went on until the Apostle made an end of them.
And of course only a muslim can wage war based on its defence. So by your own ideology you are at war with all non believers so says……….
To violate Sharia or not to accept its authority is to commit rebellion against Allah, which Allah’s faithful are required to combat.
So now your pulling old testament and comparing it to Islam…OK lets see.
Since 9-11 how many terrorist attacks have been preformed by Christians?
0
How many terrorist attacks have been preformed by Muslims
16,950 and counting.
Now as to you pulling out old testament verses you should know being a well educated Islamist that Christians don’t follow the old testament. Eye for an eye tooth for a tooth. Yeah we refer to it but the coming of Christ and the sacrifice of the lamb at the hands of the non believers allowed us to shed our sins through his forgiveness. Christ pledges love and peace to all man. But of course you pull a few metaphors take a lesson out of context and try to compare the hate filled Koran to the teachings of Christ….ooo By the way Mooshoo where in the Koran does it say love thy neighbor. I love you Mooshoo…I really do. but lets visit your exploration and misrepresentation of the bible..
” “Do not think that I have come to make peace on earth? I have not come to bring peace, but a sword, for I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother.” Said Jesus
It’s quite evident that you know absolutely nothing about the teachings of Jesus. Let me ask you this Mooshoo. Did Jesus ever wage a military campaign? Did he instruct his apostles to lie, deceive and murder? Did his apostles after Jesus death perform any battles or wage war against anyone. Did Jesus constantly speak in parables and stories when relating an important message. What you and your kind so broadly bring up time and time is a metaphor.. and you twist it to make it look like something its not but if you read the story that Jesus was telling you will clearly see that son against father mother against daughter. it wasn’t the Christian who would take arms against the non Christian but the non Christian taking arms against the one who converts to Christianity. History and the entire story supports this. you simply take one sentence and construct your won wrapped understanding. I’m not surprised. Most people who haven’t a clue of the teachings of Jesus do this to support their own twisted ideology. On the other hand Allah’s words are rock solid with exact meaning translated to action by the blood of the non believers and innocents. and please don’t bring up the whole crusade thing. Many wars were fought in the name of Jesus but no where does it say in the bible one must war against non believers such as it does in Islam. And so true for the other quotes you give that are basically from the same story told by different authors.
As for
[Luke. 19:27] for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.
And yet again you twist it to mean kill them now when in fact it was based on a story of his return. which will happen pretty soon Mooshoo. So I suggest you convert from your hate full and disgusting pagan religion and confess your sins to the true lord and God cause he aint taking any prisoners. Only those who commit by mouth and thru the blood of Christ will be saved and the devils spawn will burn in hell for eternity. That’s you buddy….
Racism: Are you kidding me.
“We ourselves, who are Jews by birth and not gentile sinners.” How is this racist. Your really stretching on this one.
Hagar and Sarah
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise. 24 These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written: “Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband.” 28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
Your a freekin tool Mooshoo. You think you can take proverbs, metaphors and quotes out of context from the new testament and try to equate Jesus to a murdering pedophile. I laugh at you.
So I have answered your ridiculous examples now bring forth the courage you claim you have like those who nose dived those jets into thousands of defenseless women and children and answer for the quotes of your so called prophet. Or have you no answer when the truth is so evident of your disgraceful ideology.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Steve introduced the following Koranic verses in order to prove that Islam is a violent religion:
8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.
8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).
My answer to him lies in the following:
In Islam war is permissible in self defence, and under well defined limits. When undertaken, it must be pushed with vigor, but only to restore peace and freedom for the worship of Allah. In any case strict limits must not be transgressed: women, children, old and infirm men should not be molested, nor trees and crops cut down, nor peace withheld when the enemy comes to terms.
8: 39
As historically known, Muhammad and his companions were persecuted from the Maccan infidels (the tribe of Quraish) for 13 years. They tried to kill him, but he and his companions managed to migrate to Madina. The Arab infidels however, went after him with a huge army comprising 1000 warriors accompanied with hundreds of horses and camels. They had plenty of provisions that would suffice for a whole month. Muhammad was too weak to fight, he had only 300 emaciated companions and one horse. But Allah ordered him to fight and promised him divine support (angels fighting with him). Miraculously, Muhammad and his companions fought and won.
What is so strange about that Steve?
It was self defence. Muhammad had to fight for his life and the lives of his companions. He had to defend his religion. He had to fulfill the divine task given to him by Allah: establishing the Kingdom of Allah on earth.
from the view point of Steve, in order for Islam to be a peaceful religion, Muhammad must be defeated or even not go to war! How dare he fight the good idolaters who wanted to wipe the Prophet out from the face of the earth!
8: 67
After the war, Muslims took captives as they used to do before the advent of Islam. But this was not an ordinary war seeking trade, revenge or military glory, but a jihad, fought under strict conditions laid down by Islam, and solely for the cause of Allah. Allah instructed Muslims that the greed of gain in the shape of ransom from captives has no place in such warfare. Among the prisoners taken were the Prophet’s uncle “Alabbas” and his cousin “Aqil”, who afterwards became Muslims. Alabbas was the ancestor of the founder of the celebrated Abbasite Dynasty which played such a notable part in Islamic history.
What is so odd about that Steve? Allah is teaching the believers the ethics of wars launched in His cause.
9: 29
Muhammad fought the Jews because they betrayed him, breached their covenant with him (pact of Madina) and tried to kill him. He never fought the Christians, on the contrary, he honored them and hosted them in his Mosque at Madina when they came from Yemen to learn from him what Islam is. he invited them to Islam, but they refused and travelled back to their home in peace. The next year some of them returned to Madina and embraced Islam willingly.
As for jizyah, the root meaning is compensation. It is a poll tax imposed on those non-Muslims who did not accept Islam, but were willing to live under the protection of Islam, and were thus tacitly willing to submit to its ideals being enforced in the Muslim state. There was no amount permanently fixed for it, and in any case it was merely symbolic (about one dinar per year). There were exemptions for the poor, for females and children, for slaves and for monks and hermits. The Jizyah was thus partly symbolic and partly a commutation for military service, but as the amount was insignificant and the exemptions numerous, its symbolic character predominated.
What is so peculiar about that Steve? Ancient Muslims gave their protection to non-Muslims and made them enjoy all the benefits, facilities and services of the Islamic state for only one dinar per year. Is that too much for you?
9: 33
There is really only one true religion, submission to the Will of Allah by worshipping Him alone (pure Islamic montheism) and living a pious life according to the teachings of the divine Books Allah descended upon His prophets in their time. This is called Islam. It was the religion preached by Moses and Jesus, it was the religion of Abraham, Noah, and all the Prophets, by whatever name it may be called. If people corrupt the pure light, and call their religion by different names, we must bear with them, and we may allow the names for convenience. But truth must prevail over all.
Every religion which commends itself widely to human beings and lasts through some space of time has glimse of truth in it. But Islam being the perfect light of truth is bound to prevail. As the greater light, through its own strength, outshines all lesser lights, so will Islam outshines all else, in spite of the displeasure of those to whom light is an offense.
The divine disposition of events in the coming of Islam and its promulgation by the holy Prophet are themselves evidence of the truth of Islam and its all-reaching character, for there is nothing which it has not influenced.
Can you deny that Steve? Just look around and see.
If we are going to pull Koranic verses out of their context to prove that Islam is a violent religion, what our readers would say if we pull passages out of the Old Testament which speak of God having the Jews kill men, women and children during ancient times, simply because they were not Jews! Those who say that Islam is the religion of the sword should know that the word ‘sword’ is never mentioned in the Koran while the Old Testament mentioned it several times.
The massacres of Canaanites, Jacobites, Philistines and several other peoples are gruesomely mentioned in the Bible. As indicated in the Old Testament the Jews spared neither men, women, children nor even the animals, and pets of their enemies.
In this connection, I have 61 verses from the Old and New Testaments clearly stating evil, and genocide and wars spread by Judaism and Christianity. The following are just a few among dozens of similar passages found in the Old Testament and the Gospel:
1- The Old Testament
A- Genocide and wars against non-Jews
[Numbers 25:4] And the Lord said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun, that the fierce anger of the Lord may be turned away from Israel.
[Deuteronomy 20:16] But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee (for) an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth.
[Deuteronomy 20:16] But thou shalt utterly destroy them; (namely), the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the jubusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee.
[Judges 1:4] And Judah went up; and the Lord delivered the Canaanites, and the Perizzites into their hand: and they slew of them in Bezek ten thousand men.
[Ezek. 9:5] And the Lord said, “Go through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women.
[Num. 31:1] And the Lord said unto Moses, “Avenge the children of the Mid’anites..They warred against the Mid’anites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they slay all the males. And they took all women as captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. Moses said, “Have you saved all the women alive? Now kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by lying with him, but all the young girls who have not known a man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.”
[Josh 6:16] Joshua said to the people of Israel, “The Lord has given you the city (of the Canaanites)..all silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the Lord: They shall come into the treasury of the Lord. The people utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
[Samuel 15:3] Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
[Ezekiel 9:6] “Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.
B- Killing, kidnapping and slavery
[Josh 16:10] So the Canaanites have dwelt in the midst of E’phraim to this day, but become slaves to do forced labor (see also Joshua 17:13 and Judg. 1:30).
[Deut.20:10] When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall be forced labor for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, then you shall besiege it,”You shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourselves; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies.
[Amos 9:1] I will slay that left of them with the sword, not one of them shall flee away”I will command the sword, and it shall slay them.
C- Gentiles in the Bible
[Isia 49: 22] Thus the Lord said, “Behold I will lift up my hand to the gentiles, and raise up my signal to the people, and they shall bring your sons in their bosom, and your daughters shall be carried on their shoulders. Kings shall be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers. With their faces to the ground they shall bow down to you, and lick the dust of your feet.”
[Isia. 60:4] Lift up your eyes round about, and see, they all gather together, they come to you. The wealth of the nations shall come unto you and the sons of the foreigners shall build up your walls, and their kings shall minister unto you”Men may bring unto you the wealth of the nations.
With their kings led in your possession. For the nation and kingdom that will not serve you shall perish; those nations shall be utterly laid waste. You shall suck the milk of the nations, you shall suck the breasts of kings (in K.J. version: gentiles).
[Isia. 61:15] And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vine dresses. But you shall be named the priests of the Lord. Men shall call you the ministers of God. You shall eat the riches of the nations and in their glory shall you boast yourselves (in K.J. version: gentiles).
D- The Jews takes usury from the gentiles only!
[Deut. 23:19] Do not charge your brother interest, you may charge a foreigner interest, but not a brother Israelite. (The word Israelite according to the Good News Bible)
[Deut. 15:1] Every creditor shall release what he has lent to his neighbor. He shall not exact it of his neighbor, his brother. Of a foreigner you may exact it. But whatever of hand shall release.
E- Chosen people, racism, supremacy
[Deuteronomy 7:2-3] Neither shall thou make marriage with them; their daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
[Deuteronomy 7:6]”For thou art a holy people unto the Lord Thy God: the Lord Thy God has chosen thee to a special people unto himself, above all people that are on the face of the earth.
[Ezra 9:12] Now therefore give not your daughters unto their sons, neither take their daughters unto your sons, nor seek their peace or their wealth for ever, that ye may be strong and eat of the good of the land, and leave it for an inheritance to your children for ever.
2- The New Testament
A- The Gospel portraying a violent
Jesus:
[Math. 10:34] “Do not think that I have come to make peace on earth? I have not come to bring peace, but a sword, for I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother.” Said Jesus!
[Luke. 12:49] “I came to cast fire upon the earth, and would that it were already kindled”Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division; for from henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two, and two against three. They will be divided, father against son, and son against father, mother against daughter, and daughter against her mother.” Said Jesus!
[Luke. 19:27] for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.
Luke 14:26] If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife, and children, and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life: he cannot be my disciple.
B- Racism
Paul said: in [Gal. 2:15], “We ourselves, who are Jews by birth and not gentile sinners.”
[Gal. 4:22] For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave, and by a free woman. But what does the scripture say? “Cast out the slave and her son, for the son of slave shall not inherit with the son of the free woman. So, brethren we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.”
To Muslims, such violence teachings in the Old and New Testaments reflect apparent distortion. They seem to contradict every thing Moses and the Prophets after him until Jesus could ever stand for or even think of. If the Prophets who came before Muhammad had ever said so, they would have certainly violated the Ten Commandments and in turn jeopardized their own salvation.
Now Steve, I will treat you the same way you treated me. I will borrow your own sarcastic words: “Is this not a fact Steve, or this is a lie? Stay on track here Steve. Don’t stray from the question and start going off on a strawman argument. Do you not believe in this.
I wonder what your answer would be? You may chew on your lip, then shout in anger : ” Muhammad had raped a 9 years -old girl.” With this empty head of yours, You have nothing else to say. Its like a chewing gum in your big mouth. Find yourself another toy to play with.
Steve
Well gang I got to him didn’t I. As you all noticed Moosoo hasn’t countered one thing I said utilizing his own beloved scripture. Not one. Why is that Moosoo? Why do you keep on going off on some sermon about meeting god in whatever and how I will be punished.
Punished for what Moosoo? for showing just how evil your religion is? I ‘m laughing not because I think your funny But when you and I pass from this world you will dance with Satan and I will sing with Jesus. Your pathetic and if you had one ounce of courage you would counter my argument within your scriptures not by your opinion.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Steve, or Bill warner disguised as Steve, what happened to you? Are you drunk or something? I haven’t understood one word you said in your post. Your English is weak and feable and is filled with ugly words I didn’t quite understand. Now you are yelling and shouting because you are already defeated. Your head is empty, it is only filled with hatred, you are no match for me. You know nothing about Islam, yet you spread lies about the religion in your site. You deliberately misguide your readers with falsehood in order to make them hate the religion of their Lord, Allah. You accused the honorable prophet of Islam with raping, a matter that could never happen from a man that brought the light which guided people to the true path of salvation.
You are the one who deliberately launched this site years ago in order to attack Islam. You were content with the comments supporting your falsehood. You never imagined that a believer in Allah and all His Prophets and Books and all His angels will discover by chance the lies you are impudently promulgating without restriction ahainst Islam in your miserable wretched site. I read all your articles about Islam and I discovered that you are deceiving your people by trying hard through deception and delusion to misguide them or increase their hostility towards Islam. I also discovered that you are totally ignorant of Islam. You haven’t read the Koran, you big fat lier. You haven’t read the Sunna of the Prophet.. And when you are cornered you yell, you shout, thus vomiting a heinous sin you will be responsible for before Allah on the day of accountability, “Muhammad is a raper” A sin that will take you directly to Hell.
You say I am not a doctor? Okay big mouth, I am a carpenter, a plumer, a farmer, I am nothing, but with my knowledge and intrellect I can expose your dirty lies you promulgate against Islam.
Are you so defeated and desperate as to claim that I am trying to circumvent your country with my lies? You and Islamophobe hate mongers like you are the ones who are circumventing your country by spreading outright lies.
In your previous post you mentioned some Koranic verses in order to prove that islam is a violent religion. Another big lie you are promulgating. For the sake of scientific and logic discussion, I insist of teaching you the truth, you ignorant parrot, and now insolent.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Democracyisthe answer and Steve.
You contend with opposing arguments to confute the truth. Whenever a great truth is proclaimed or renewed, there are always shallow minds that are ready to dispute about it. And what petty and vain arguments they advance! They think they can condemn the truth in this way, but they are mistaken. They may try and plot, but they will themselves be caught in their own snares. And then, how terrible will be their punishment – the blazing Fire.
Your sarcastic comments accusing the Prophet of rape, and turning Allah to redicule (a moon god or a black stone etc) will stand against you on the Day of Resurrection. Every bad or untrue word you utter against the Last Teatament to mankind is recorded, amd grievous is such conduct in the sight of Allah. Thus does Allah seal up every heart of every arrogant and obstinate transgressor.
This reminds me with the following Koranic verses:
See you not those who dispute concerning the Signs of Allah? How are they turning away (from the truth)? Those who deny the Book(the Koran), and that with which We sent Our Messenger, soon they will know! When the iron collars will be rounded over their necks, and the chains, they shall be dragged along. In the boiling water, then they will be burned in the Fire.
Then it will be said to them: “Where are those whom you used to join in worship as partners? They will say, “They have vanished from us: Nay, we did not invoke anything before.” Thus Allah leads astray the disbelievers.
That was because you had been exulting in the earth without any right, and that you used to rejoice extremely (in your error).
Enter the gates of Hell to abide therein: and (indeed) what an evil abode of the arrogant! (Ghafir, 69-76).
Again, every evil word you utter against the religion of Islam is recorded and will not be erased. On the Day of Judgment, your mouth will be sealed, and all the members of your body will become tell-tale witness against you.
Upon the Day when Allah’s enemies are mustered to the Fire, duly disposed, till when they are come to it, their hearing, their eyes and their skins bear witness against them concerning that they have been doing.
That is the recompense of Allah’s enemies-the Fire, wherein they shall have the abode of eternity as a recompense, for that they they denied Our Signs (Fussilat 19, 20, 28).
Allah crushed the old nations for their sin, and levelled them; and He fears not the sequel of events.
The Koran teaches that the disputants are the unbelievers who pugnaciously assault the minds of believers after the believers have by conviction accepted faith in Allah. Such disputation is futile. An inner spiritual experience can never be shaken by dialectical assaults. On the contrary, such disputations recoil on the heads of those who indulge in them. Allah’s wrath is on them in this life, and the terrible penalty of the Hereafter must inevitably follow their evil plots against truth.
And those who argue concerning Allah after that answer has been made to Him, Their argument is null and void in the sight of their Lord; anger shall rest upon them, and there awaits them a terrible chastisement (Al-Shura, 16).
A soul like yours that is totally misguided, is indeed wretched. It will resort to falsehood in its attitude towards Allah and His Prophet. It will be obstinate. It will hear the most beautiful Message (the Koran) but not profit by it. The loss or punishment is its own, and grievous it is!
You have chosen and invincible enemy to fight, your Lord. By rediculing Allah’s signs and humiliating His Prophet, you make yourselves a rediculous fools.
Denunciated shall be every sinful liar who intentionally asserts what is false and relates it to Allah, and clothes himsel with the ugly vesture of wickedness that makes him counsel deaf to Allah’s revelations when they are recited, declaring to him what is in agreement with reality, and what is in conformity with the truth, and he intentionally closes the ears of his heart and exercises inordinate self-esteem as though he lacked his sense of hearing. And when he hears of any of Allah’s signs which demonstrate Omnipotence and authority, he turns them into redicule, and his vanity blows malicious mockery. A man like that must suffer multiple humiliations and mortifying punishment. Hell awaits them and asserts them as her own and shall beset them on all sides. Nothing they earned, accomplished or gained in this life will be of any advantage to them nor will those whom they adopted besides Allah and held in reverence and veneration avail them benefit or afford them help, and they shall suffer grievously.
This Koran features the spirit of truth that guides into all truth; and those who refuse to acknowledge its revelations and deny Allah’s Signs shall suffer excruciating pain and be put to torture.
Woe to every guilty imposter who hears the Signs of Allah being recited to him, then perseveres in waxing proud, as if he has not heard them; so give him the good tidings of a painful chastisement. And when he knows anything of Our Signs, he takes them in mockery; those – for them awaits a humbling chastisement. Behind them Gehenna; and that they have earned shall not avail them aught, nor those they took as protectors, apart from Allah; for them awaqits a mighty chastisement.
This is guidance; and those who disbelieve in the Signs of their Lord, there awaits them a painful chastisement of wrath (Jathyiah, 7-11).
Islam is the same religion of Adam to Jesus to Muhammad. Islam is the only religion that will be accepted by Allah on the Day of Judgement. It demonstrates pure monotheism, Allah’s oneness, no god is worth worshipping except Allah, the Creator of the universe and the owner of the Hereafter and the Day of Reckoning. The inevitable Day of Judgement is drawing near, and none besides Allah can avert it. Do you then wonder about this Koran? And you laugh at it and weep not! And express disapproval and decline to accept the Message, searching hard for an error to help you refute the truth! You had better bow down in adoration to Allah your Creator, and prostrate your reason to His Omnipotence, and pay to Him reverence and adoration.
The threatened Hour is nigh. None beside Allah can disclose it. Do you then marvel at this discourse (the Koran)! And you laugh at it and weep not, while you make merry?
Rather prostrate yourselves before Allah and serve Him (Al-Najm 57-62).
Where is your intellect? You have chosen a dangerous path. You are attacking your Creator and have already threatened your position with Him! Is he who relies on a clear proof from his Lord like those for whom the evil that they do is beautified while they follow their own lusts? Those are they whose hearts Allah has sealed, and they follow their own desires.
Allah knows your going to and fro, and your lodging, so fear Him as He should be feared.
Fear a day when Allah will say to Hell:
On the Day when We say to Hell: “Are you filled? It will say, “Are there any more (Qaf, 50).
Steve
As usual Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy who I will refer to as Moosoo from here on. If he really is a Dr. Goes on about the merciful Allah, The righteous Allah the forgiving Allah. And he even goes so far as quoting a verse here and there from the works of Mohammad. Who I will refer to as the big “M” (who I cant show a picture of) How Nice! See Mooshoo is practicing what is called Lies. Lying to us or lying to himself. Haven’t quite figured that one out yet. And lying is just dandy for this religion. Let me throw this out here. Did Christ say its OK to lie? Was moses told to lie by the burning bush? Did Noah lie to the people who laughed at him when he was building the ark? The answer is no. None of these religious holly men lied to their followers.
On top of the fact that Allah allowed lying because The big “M” (who I cant show a picture of) he wanted someone murdered. WHAT you say? Murdered? Yep. Ya see there was a dispute over something probably who was gona marry a 5 year old or something and the “M” man (who I cant show a picture of) just didn’t like this guy. It could have been over not converting to his religion who knows who cares. Anyway he told some dude he wanted this guy killed. So the guy said sure big “M” (who I cant show a picture of) but we will have to lie to him. Big “M” (Who I cant show a picture of) says whatever. Nice uhh? So that’s the ball of wax when it comes to Islamist and their righteous lies.
So why is Mooshoo lying… Well you see the more islamists lie and claim all these nicey nice things about Islam the more air headed left wing dumb asses will buy into that and fall into the don’t blame them their just poor loving religious people who’s land was stolen in Israel and who’s religions been hijacked by people who have distorted the religion. What a Joke. What a lie. which in Moosoo’s world is called Al-taqiyya
So. If he’s not lying then whats his deal.He recites all the words that teach tolerance. Yes. He shows us in the book verse and chapter that the “M” guy (who I cant show a picture of) showed compassion. He claims he is a peace loving man who wishes nothing but good things for all men as long as they follow the pedophile. OK. so whats the problem you ask. Well he’s not really doing the Muslim Islam thing quite right. You see the book is written with chapters mixed matched and all out of sync but according to the proper way or rather the islam way one must read it as it follows the big “M” (who I cant show a picture of) and his life. You see the good DR. here is what some may call a apostate. a phony. One that is not true to Allah and big “M” (the guy who I cant show a picture of). So why? do you ask Well you see as I have stated in a previous post when Allah spoke to the Big “M” (the guy I cant show a picture of), he spoke in pleasant terms in the beginning at Meca but as camel poo started hitting the fan in Medina it was a whole new way of chopping the heads off the infidels. . The militant arose and Allah began contradicting some of his earlier teachings through the big”M” (the guy i cant show a picture of) so what does that mean? well according to the very law of the religion itself its what they call abrogate. Where Allah said one thing on Tuesday like ummmm nice jew. The next day on Wednesday he may say . ummmmm Kill the smelly pig of a mother Jew. And from then on the last thing he says now counters the first thing he says. Confusing isn’t it. Exactly! and that’s what they want you to be. Confused.
So what are you doc. a liar supporting the terrorists trying to circumvent our country with your lies or a misguided fool who cant come to reality that Allah and the Big “M” (who I cant show a picture of) is really a murdering pedophile?
Joy
We war not against flesh and blood but spirit. Spiritual wisdom is a gift; those who glimpse and refuse to see… or become spiritually numb will reap the consequences of their actions, unfortunately so will a lot of others. GOD has blessed us as His children and we have a responsibility to be alert. Remember… if the owner knew when the theif would come he would be ready, Check out our health care system and start counting…you may be surprised! Especially if you were in Ct. May GOD bless us all with favor and mercy! (In Jesus’ name)
Democracyistheanswer
The most chilling words on this page are surely the following:
“Islam is the future as it has the potential to rule the mind of humanity thus ruling the world in total.”
The Islamists who calls himself ‘Steve Mac’ reveals what Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy hides beneath a veil:
ISLAM IS A SUPREMACIST MIND-CONTROL AND INFORMATION-CONTROL CONSPIRACY.
The purpose of Islam is primarily political supremacism, not religious.
Democracyistheanswer
The main reward of Islam is sex.
Rape in jihad is normative Islam and thoroughly approved by Koran 39:59.
The Islamic veil is means of indicating those women who may not raped. All others may be raped.
The Sira is Mohammed’s official biography. Rape is such a commonplace occurence in it that Mohammed never blinks when rapes occur. No rape is punished by Mohammed. Just don’t do it to a veiled woman.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy’s off-topic comments totally ignore the statistical facts of Islam. Thirty percent of the texts are political speeches denouncing the kafirs and motivating jihadists to attack them, murder, rob, rape and enslave them.
There is no air-brushed Mohammed in the Sira. He is a savage, brutal, tribal warlord who makes his tribe wealthy through genocide and plunder.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Graham Gould
Graham says, “Why is Allah called Merciful when He provides no way for your sins to be forgiven?”
He also says: “Do you admit you are a sinner? If so, the only solution is to let God pay for your sins so you can be righteous and live with Him forever. I paray you do.”
Graham saying that Allah provide no way for my sins is another misconception among hundreds of others launched against Islam. As for “God pays for my sins”, this is another misunderstanding of the doctrine of true salvation.
I urge people and non-Muslims in particular to read the Book of Islam in depth in order to understand the religion of Islam as it should be.
Islam came to correct the superstitions added to the religions which came before, and made their adherents deviate from the right path. Islam is not a religion for only Muslims but for the whole world. It is a universal religion descended upon Muhammad in divine Arabic. Allah wished through His last revelation to forgive the sins of His servants which resulted from the violations which occured in the Torah and the Gospel over the years. In that sense Islam is a mercy to those who are willing to know the truth about their religions. Islam brought good tidings to the believers, and warning to the disbelievers who insist of not following the true path of rectitude.
Christianity alleges that God created humans to live eternally in Heaven, and that when Adam ate from the tree which he had been forbidden, God punished him through death and banishment from heaven. Christianity further asserts that as death was inherited by his progeny, so too was the sin of the father, which was a permanent stain on the hearts of humanity, never to be removed except through a sacrifice so great that it would oblige God to forgive humanity (God forbid). This sacrifice would be nothing other than the sacrifice of God himself, incarnate in His son Jesus. Therefore Christianity deems all of humanity as damned to Hell for the sin of Adam from which they could never be cleansed, except through the belief that God became incarnate and died for Adam’s sin, ritualized as Baptism, through which Christians are ‘born again’ into the world, but this time free of sin. So we see that the theory of ‘Original Sin’ forms the basis of various Christian beliefs, from the crucifixion of Jesus to the concept of salvation and savior from Hell. It forms the very basis for the mission of Jesus himself.
One may ask: how and when this odd doctrine of salvation first appeared?
For the origin of the doctrine of atonement, one does not go to the teachings of Jesus, but instead to the words of Paul, the true founder of Christianity.
Like many Jews, Paul had no use for the teachings of Jesus, and he himself persecuted the followers of Jesus for their unorthodox beliefs. This zealous persecutor was turned into an ardour preacher, however, through a sudden conversion around 35 CE. Paul claimed that a resurrected Jesus appeared to him in a vision, thereby, choosing Paul as his instrument for carrying his teachings to the Gentiles (Gal. 1:11; 12:15, 16).
Paul’s credibility in any capacity is questionable, however, when considering that: (1) there are four contradictory versions of the so -called “conversion” (Acts 9:3-8; 22:6-10; 26:13-18; Gal. 1:15-17); (2) The Bible says in passages such as Num. 12:6, Deut. 18:20 and Ez. 13:8-9, that revelations come only from God, and (3) accounts of numerous disagreements between the other disciples and Paul regarding his teachings as recorded in Acts.
Experience and observations had taught Paul that preaching among the Jews was not feasible; he therefore chose to go to the non-Jews. By doing so, however, Paul disregarded a direct command from Jesus against preaching to other than a Jew (Mat. 10: 5-6). In short, Paul set aside the actual teachings of Jesus in his desire to be a success.
Among the pagans of Paul’s time, a wide variety of gods existed. Although these gods had different names and were embraced by people of different areas of the world – Adonis from Syria, Dionysus from thrace, Attis from Phrygia, for instance – the basic concept in each cult was the same: these sons of gods died violent deaths and then rose again to save the people.
Since the pagans had tangible savior-gods in their old religions, they wanted nothing less from the new; they were not able to accept any sort of invisible Deity. Paul was quite accomodating, preaching therefore of a savior named Jesus Christ, the son of God, who died and then rose again to save mankind from sin (Rom. 5:8-11; 6:8-9).
The Bible itself points out the error of Paul’s thinking. While each of the four Gospels contain an account of the cricifixion of Jesus, these accounts are strictly hearsay; none of the disciples of Jesus were witness to such, having fled his side in the Garden (Mark 14:50).
In the Torah, God says that one who is “hanged upon a tree” – crucified – is “accursed” (Deut. 21:23). Paul side-stepped this by saying that Jesus became accursed in order to take on the sins of man (Gal.3:13); in so doing, however, Paul set aside the very Law of God.
The resurrection, wherein Paul says that Jesus “conquered” death and sin for mankind (Rom. 6:9,10) plays such an important part that one who does not believe in it is not considered a good Christian (1 Cor. 15:14).
Here too the Bible lends little support to Paul’s notions; first of all, not only was there no eyewitness to the actual resurrection, but all post-resurrection accounts are in contradiction with each other as to who went to the gravesite, what happened there, and even where and to whom Jesus appeared (Mat. 28; Mark 16; Luke 24; John 20).
Although Christianity states that the body following resurrection will be in a spiritual form (1 Cor. 15:44), Jesus had obviously not changed, for he both ate with his disciples (Luke 24:30,41-43), and allowed them to touch his wounds (John 20:27). Finally, as the divine son of God in Christianity, Jesus is said to share in God’s attributes; one cannot fail to wonder, however, just how it can be possible for God to die…
In his desire to win souls among the pagans, Paul simply reworked a number of major pagan beliefs to come up with the Christian belief of savation. No Prophet – including Jesus himself – taught such concepts; they were authored entirely by Paul.
As for the sin of Adam, the koran tells us that he repented for his sin. God revealed to him words with which to repent, which He then accepted from him:
Then Adam received Words (of forgiveness) from his Lord, and He accepted his repentance. Verily, He is the One Who repeatedly accepts repentance, the Most Merciful (Koran 2:37).
Through God’s acceptance of Adam’s repentance, Adam was cleansed of the sin which he committed. God in the Koran repeatedly ascribes to Himself attribute of mercy and forgiveness. He also mentions that from His names are the Oft-Forgiving, the Most-Merciful, the Acceptor of Repentance, and others all of which emphasize the All-Encompassing Mercy of God. God even forgives those who have sinned much and may lose hope in the forgiveness of God.
The Koran says:
Say: O My slaves who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins). Despair not of the Mercy of God, indeed God forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving. Most-Merciful (Koran 39:53).
Despite its prominent place in Christianity, the notion of an original sin is not found among the teachings of any Prophet, Jesus included. In the Old Testament, God says, “…the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son.’ (Ez. 18: 20-22). Personal responsibility is also stressed in the Koran where God says: “…no bearer of burden can bear the burden of another…man can have nothing but what he strives for.” (Koran 53: 38,39).
The doctrine of original sin gave Paul the means to justify pagan influence in his scheme of salvation. Irresponsibility became the hallmark of Christianity through this doctrine, however,by “transferring” sins onto Jesus, followers asuume no responsibility for their actions. Paul effectively shifted the center of worship away from God by saying that Jesus was the divine agent of their salvation. In so doing, however, Paul set aside all teachings of God’s Prophets, and even the concept of monotheism itself, since God in Christianity needs jesus for His divine ‘helper’.
At this time God chose to send Muhammad as His final Messenger in order to set things straight for mankind once and for all.
Since God is Almighty, He doesn’t need the charade concocted by Christians in order to forgive man. In the Koran God says we are all created in a state of goodness (30:30),; He has not burdened man with any ‘original sin’; having forgiven Adam and Eve (2:36-38; 7:23, 24) as He forgives us (11:90; 39: 53-56).
As we all are personally responsible for our actions (2: 286; 6: 164), there is no need for a humanly concocted savior in Islam; salvation comes from God alone (28: 67).
Thus did Islam seek to restore the true meaning to monotheism, the true religion of Jesus and Muhammad and all Prophets who came before them. In the Koran God asks:
Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in faith? (4: 125; 41: 33).
Paul’s doctrine of salvation followed by Christians of today is at stake here, Christians after the Koran explained to them the truth about real salvation, should take a closer look at what they believe in and why.
God says in the Koran:
“O people of the Book (Torah and Gospel)! Commit no excess in your religion, nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger of God…for God is One God; glory be to Him: far exalted is He above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs (4: 171).
The identy of Jesus was made clear in the Koran:
“Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him – see how God doth make His Signs clear to them, yet see in what way they are deluded away from the truth (5:57).
Salvation in Islam comes from God alone. Savation is attained by worshipping the One God and following His commandments. Islam does not recognize the concept of original sin. Thus, Muslims believe that all people were born sin-free.
In order for our sins to be forgiven, one must first believe in the Oneness of God by worshipping Him alone without any partners, intermediaries or helpers. This purely monotheistic worship must be combined with living a pious life based on the commandments of the Koran and the Sunna of the Prophet. If one falls into sin, all that is required is sincere repentance seeking God’s forgiveness.
In Islam, turning to Allah for forgiveness is only one aspect of repentance. A Muslim’s repentance must be sincere and genuine. In the Koran Allah says: “O you who believe! Repents toward Allah with sincere repentance.” (Hud, 3).
Sincere repentance is distinguished by remorse over committing the sin, removal of one’s self fom the sin, resolve not to commit the sin again and asking Allah for forgiveness everytime he remembers the sin.
It is best to race towards repentance rather than delay it. Repentance in advance of illness or deeath allows a person to fulfill other conditions for the acceptance of repentance including: remaining genuinely remorseful, increasing good deeds while decreasing bad deeds, staying fearful of Allah’s anger and sincerely praying for forgiveness, and developing a sense of humility and servitude to Allah.
God knows our imperfections and our shortcomings, and thus He has perscribed repentance for us and left the door to repentance open until the sun rises from the west (near Judgement Day).
Allah says in the Koran:
“And turn in repentance and in obedience with true faith to your Lord and submit to Him, before the torment comes upon you, then you will not be helped”. (39:45).
“O you who believe! Turn to God with sincere repentance! It may be that your Lord will expiate from you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise)…” (66:8).
“And all of you beg God to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.” (24:31).
The Prophet said:
“God spreads out His hand at night to accept the repentance of the one who sinned during the day, and He spreads out His Hand by day to accept the repentance of the one who sinned during the night, (and that will continue) until the sun rises from the west (Sahih muslim).
Muslims do not view any human being as being infallible, they believe that infallibility belongs to God alone. They believe that the only source for forgiveness for a human is God. Muslims deny the authority of men to listen to another person’s confessions and then pronounce him forgiven of his sin. Islam does not have a priest class. This means that the connection between God and man is a direct one.
Well, Graham, my God does not pay for my sins, I ask for His forgiveness the simple and direct way I just mentioned to you here.
angel_espinosa
[QUOTE=Dr. MohTed el-Bundy] “What I am supposed to do with you?As usual, you don’t understand! The first option is not a lightning strike. World calamities means, obstinate illness, poverty, misery, bad reputation, disgrace, loss of wealth, loss of the dearests, death alone after a long torturing illness etc.” [/QUOTE]
¤ or a beheading by a jihadist
¤ or unbearable grief over the loss of a loved one to a jihadist
¤ or the overwhelming heartbreak we feel for all victims of who are brutally attacked by jihadists every frickin’ day
¤ or on a non-tragedy note:
The gut-wrenching frustration and anger some people might feel over their country’s diminishing freedom & safety… thanks to an administration that lays down for the jihadists like a giant, wimpy-ass, PC welcome-mat
Steve
The works of violence that your breeds leads to this.
Claming that the Koran comprises murder, rapes, pedophilia and torture, means one thing: you haven’t read the Book of Islam in the first place. You are nothing but an ignorant parrot , repeating the words of the Islamophobe hate mongres, you are biased and prejudiced, and surely a man astray.
You murder, Mohammad himself took a 9 year old as a bride. Are you saying a 9 year old or for that matter ev en at the age of 12 willingly allowed a man to violate her? IS that not Rape Doc? Torture. Please your so full of it and so is your religon.
Steve
So Dr. Guindy So I assume as a Man of the idol moon god Allah you beleive in this.
2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?
And so then his teachings of love in the early days like.
50:45. We know of best what they say; and you (O Muhammad) are not a tyrant over them (to force them to Belief). But warn by the Qur’an, him who fears My Threat.
109:1. Say (O Muhammad to these Mushrikun and Kafirun): “O Al-Kafirun (disbelievers in Allah, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in His Messengers, in the Day of Resurrection, and in Al-Qadar {divine foreordainment and sustaining of all things}, etc.)!
109:2. “I worship not that which you worship,
109:3. “Nor will you worship that which I worship.
109:4. “And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping.
109:5. “Nor will you worship that which I worship.
109:6. “To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism).”
Are Now replaced with this.
8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.
8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).
Is this not a fact? or is this a lie.
Stay on track here Doc. Dont stray from the question and start going off on a strawman argument. Do you not beleive this?
Grahame Gould
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy,
You are an exact example of what the article was written about. How often do you quote the Koran or other texts, almost never.
Most of your posts are opinions – yours and other’s.
Explain to me why so many verses in the Koran encourage or even command violence (including to point of death) for non-believers.
Why is Allah called merciful when he provides no way for your sins to be forgiven? My Jesus, who is God, has taken my sins in His body on the tree, that we being dead to sin might live to righteousness.
We all stand condemned before a Just and Holy God, but only the Christian God has provided redemption from condemnation.
Allah offers a “maybe” and the only sure way to escape hell is murder martyrdom.
One of Jesus’ disciples wrote a letter to Christians and finished by saying “And this is the record, that God has given to us everlasting life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe on the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have everlasting life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God. ”
We have the assurance of knowing eternal life (freedom from condemnation etc etc) right now.
Like every works-based religion on earth (including many that call themselves Christian), you rely on “I hope I’ve been good enough”. But God is a God of grace and He loves you and wants you to know peace and security right now in Him.
Do you admit you’re a sinner? If so, the only solution is to let God pay for your sin so you can be righteous and live with Him forever. I pray you do.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
What I am supposed to do with you?As usual, you don’t understand! The first option is not a lightning strike. World calamities means, obstinate illness, poverty, misery, bad reputation, disgrace, loss of wealth, loss of the dearests, death alone after a long torturing illness etc.
All I read in your site about Islam is falsehood and ignorance. It is evident that you haven’t read the Koran or the Sunna of the Prophet in depth. Your ignorance of Islam is so obvious that now I am sure there is no point in discussing Islamic issues with you. I see nothing here but hatred and bigotry covered with deliberate distortion of the Koran and the Sunna of the Prophet.
You don’t even know the meaning of jihad (go back to my article about jihad written in your site). You also don’t know the meaning of kafir which I had to explain also in the same site.
Based on total ignorance of these and other Islamic issues, you established the so called political Islam. What you did in fact is compilation of falsehood in order to misguide your prople. You think you will get away with it? Don’t you know that your Creator is watching you. Don’t you fear of divine retribution? The Koran and the Sunna are full of verses and sayings stating the severe punishment awaiting the enemies of Allah in the present life and the Herafter.
The problem with the enemies of Islam is that they think Islam is a false religion, and Muhammad is not a true prophet, so they give themselves the right to slander Islam and its Prophet.. They neglect the fact that the more Islam is attacked it becomes more stronger. Don’t you look around and see how thousands of Americans and Europeans embrace Islam every day?
The enemies of Islam have in fact put themselves in a very critical situation with Allah, their only Lord. They chose a Mighty and Vengeful God that (again) would afflict them with terrible calamities in this life, severe torture in their graves and in the Hereafter awaits them the torment that is laid upon the damned, a burning Hell.
Haven’t you ever thought why there is no islamic online sites attacking Jesus, his mother and his Gospel? The normal reaction of a Muslim whose religion is attacked is to launch at least a similar attack., but Muslims believe in Jesus and his Gospel, but only the way mentioned in the Koran. We are therefore more elevated and prominent than you are.
I am a scientific man, and also very proud of my religion. When I see falsehood concerning Islam, I start by explaining the religion first, then I follow this by mentioning the consequences. O man, believe me, they are terrible.
Again, we Muslims don’t give a dam if people believe in our religion or not. But our purpose and goal is to deliver the Message, because it is the last testament to mankind.
Now you know the Message, now you are responsible before your creator. Now you know the truth about your religion and Islam. You will meet your Lord alone without your family or parents, without your friends or your church congregation. Allah will ask you, “Haven’t you known that I am One not three? Haven’t you known that the Koran must be honored and respected because it is My mercy sent to you? Haven’t you known that the Prophet of Islam is the seal of the prophets and the best of my creation? haven’t you known that my Word is a decisive message and no pleasantry?
I will not repeat what your fate with Allah would be, for you know better.
Bil, dear, how long you think will live? You are already over 70. Hurry up man, you don’t have much time to waste.
I advise you to polish your Islamic information by visiting my site and read all the books I published in it for free reading. Who knows, you may be guided, I might be able to take you from darkness to light, I might be able to take you to the gardens of bliss, or maybe you would rather prefer to dwell in a much hotter place!
Bill
In the last paragraph we have 3 options–torture of the grave and Hell. Who cares about these consequences that are from Meccan Islam? The first item sounds like an option from Medina–physical violence by a jihadi. Or is this one of the Allah calamities–a lightning strike? Hmmm? Who is going to do the dirty work of harming Kafirs–Allah or one of el Guindy’s jihadi cohorts?
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
wry 7913 and Steve: as expected, all Your accusations are exactly like those of the Islamophobe hate mongers who are totally ignorant of Islam.
Do you people think I am trying to guide you? Who cares? But now you know the truth and you will be held responsible for it. Again, Muslims don’t give a dam if people believe in Islam or not. Allah will judge between us on the Day of Resurrection. All people will die and be accountable to Allah for their deeds.
Muslims do care only about delievering the Message. The Message of strict monotheism which you forged into polytheism.. The Message of Muhammad and all prophets before him. This Message is the only religion that will be accepted by Allah on the Day of Resurrection.
Claming that the Koran comprises murder, rapes, pedophilia and torture, means one thing: you haven’t read the Book of Islam in the first place. You are nothing but an ignorant parrot , repeating the words of the Islamophobe hate mongres, you are biased and prejudiced, and surely a man astray.
Again, now you have known the truth and you will be held responsible for it. You people are but bringing the wrath of Allah on your heads by attacking His last of religions. Allah’s wrath takes several froms: 1) calamities befalling you in the earthly life 2) severe torture in the grave 3) roasting in Hell.
When any of these happens to you, just remember my words mentioned above.
Steve
On the Media. Their so caught up trying to be politically correct that they haven’t a clue what Islam is really about. Its like getting punched in the face and you say…OMG I’m so very sorry my face just hit your tightly clinched fist. I have no respect for any of them. Only when their pockets are no longer lined with green backs will they consider changing their tune. Until then any person involved in the media who isn’t actively trying to spread the truth about the true teachings of Islam like they are teaching to children in madrassas in the middle east is a traitor to my country.
On the division of Muslims. When I hear Muslims with ties on or 3 piece suits behind a microphone or speaking to a talking head on my TV claim that Islamist radical terrorists are distorting the Muslim religion I cringe. That is a false statement. Twisted words meant to confuse and manipulate the infidels. The Truth is the islamist radical terrorists are the pure followers of the faith and the moderate or gentle Islamists only follow the nicey nice parts of the book and block out the murders, rapes, pedophilia, and torture that comprise a good part of the book.
Kinda like a Christian that only goes to Church on Christmas and Easter and claims to be a true Christian.
Steve
I either submit and disavow my God. or You take my money, rape my daughters and wife, Or you kill me…..What else do I need to know about Islam. Do you deny these facts. Do you deny your own history?
Please! stop parading around with all the hype about this verse and that verse. Mohammad’s words are bound by his works in his writings and his last works are in Medina not Mecca. And your a Dr.? Me thinkith someone is practicing Al-Takeyya or your just picking the juicy parts from the three works that comprise your religon.
wri7913
I laugh at people that post long winded posts warning Christians of Polytheism when Islam embraces Idolatry. All Muslims pray to a BLACK ROCK everyday, 5 times a day, ffs.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Just the facts, Sir, Just the Facts
Bill Warner said that the Koran does not have enough information in it t to be a Muslim. The bulk of Islamic doctrine is taken from the Sunna of Mohammad!
This very statement shows clearly that Bill Warner either hasn’t read the Koran or didn’t undrstand it at all. All the chapters and verses of the Koran revolve around one thing “the Unity of Allah”. All people without exception must worship one God, Allah, the Lord of creation. Therefore the bulk of Islamic doctrine which revolves around the Oneness of Allah and its unity is taken from the Koran and not the Sunna. The Sunna only explains the Koran.
If the Koran speaks about old nations and their Prophets, the purpose is to show that those who rebelled against Allah and disobeyed their Prophets were destroyed because either they rejected faith completely or associated with Allah other partners. emphasis on the oneness of Allah as a pre-requisite for true salvation in contrast to polytheism (associating with Allah other partners or dieties) has enough information in it tobe a Muslim.
If Allah talks about people of the cave who were made to sleep for 309 continuous years then were resurrected, or when He talks about the man whom He made to die for 100 years then resurrected him, it was only to show that it is easy for Allah to resurrect people, and that the Day of Resurrection is near and each soul will be responsible for its own deeds. Resurrection and swift accountability on the Day of judgment has in it enough information to be a Muslim.
If Allah talks about Pharoh and his Tyranny against the Children of Israel, this shows that the consequence of tyrany is disasterous. Pharoe and all his might and troops were drowned in the sea.Those who tolerated the transgression of pharoh were the winners in the end. This story and similar others indicate the importance of patience and total surrender to Allah by accepting his fate under all circumstances. Patiene and perseverence bring in the end victory to the believers. In these stories of old, there is enough examples in it to be a Muslim.
Allah’s instructions about purification and cleanliness before performing prayer is to show that Muslims must stand before Allah clean and pure before surrendering their hearts to Him in prayer. Cleanliness before praying has enough information in it to be a Muslim.
The Koran is a universal Message sent to all mankind including the Jews and the Christians. It is the Last Testament to the world. No Prophet will come after Muhammad because Muhammad is the seal of the Prophets. According to the Sunna of the Prophet, Jesus will come in the end of time to rule with the Koran, the only divine Book that stood the test of time, and exists today in its pristine form.
Because the Koran also came to the christians, It strictly emphasized that the Gospel of Jesus was changed by additions and curtailments. The words of Jesus were altered to the extent that only 20 to 25% of the words of Jesus exist in the four gospels of Paul, Luke, Peter and John, while the other 75% are the the words of the authors. This fact has been demonstrated in the work of several Christian scholars.
The Koran stressed that Jesus is just a Prophet who came by a miracle without a father, he is not God or son of God, his mother was a chaste woman, both ate food and marched in the markets, there is no original sin because Adam was forgiven, man is born free of sin and he is responsible for only his own deeds and not for those of the others, Jesus was not crucifyed and consequently, there is no vicarious attonement.
The Koran highly emphasized that no one will stand before Allah on the Day of Resurrection and say to Him, ” My Lord, I have worshipped you as one in three or three in one.”
The Koran came to the Christians to warn them of the innovation they invented in their religion. The Koran considered trinitariarism as a glaring polytheism amounting to blasphemy. Allah is One, and not two or three. Believing in His Oneness is a pre-requiusite to enter paradise. Allah forgives all sins except the sin of associating with Him any partners. relating to Allah other dieties is in Islam the most heinous sin.
The Christians of today are therefore facing a big dilemma. They have been told by the Koran – the Last Testament to mankind – that they must revert to what Jesus originally said ” Worship Allah, my God and your God”. The Christians must abandon all the superstitions the Chrisrians of old added to the changed bibles. The Christian jarring sects must accordingly sit together and try to restore the present Christianity from trinitarianism to pure monotheism, the only faith that will be accepted by Allah of the Day of Judgment.
The Koran clearly states:
Never shall Allah forgive the impious irreveverence of incorporating with Him other deities, but forgives He all else to whom He will. And he who incorporates with Allah anything, has indeed forged a mighty sin (Al-Nisa, 48).
Islam is the only religion that stands complete and unadulterated in the world today. It is the religion of Muhammad and all Prophets before him including Jesus. A religion which brought good tidings to the monotheists who believe in the oneness of Allah and their deeds are crowned with piety, that they will enter Paradise. The Koran however, brought severe warning to the polytheists who associated with Allah other partners that Hell Fire is their abode for eternity. The Christians must therefore pause and listen carefully to the Voice of reason, to the Word of Allah.
As the reverend Bishop J.S.S. Spong put it:
” Seldom did Christians pause to recognize the ogre into which they had turned God. A human father who would nail his son to a cross for any purpose would be arrested for child abuse. Yet that continued to be said of God as if made God more holy and more worthy of worship.”
Julie M. Hopkins said, ” It is morally abhor to claim that God the father demanded the self-sacrifice of His only son to balance the scale of justice… A God who punished through pain, despair and violent death is not a god of love, but a sadist and despot.”
Bill Warner and his peers have chosen a dangerous path by attacking the Word of Allah – the Koran, and His best of creation, the seal of the Prophets Muhammad peace be upon him. By attacking the Koran, the last Word of Allah to His servants, Bill Warner and the other hate mongers are but compiling over their heads sins over sins.
It should be well emphasized that Muslims in reality don’t care if non-Muslims believe in their religion or not. The Koran taught them, “There is no compulsion in religion”. They were taught that guidance comes from Allah, if He wishes to guide His servants to His path of rectitude, so they will be guided, if not, whatever Muslims preach them the Koran, they will never be guided.
In this regard, Muslims were strictly ordered to only deliver the Message, because it is a Message of Mercy. It shows the true path of salvation, the road to Paradise. This is why the Koran and the Sunna of the Prophet had been translated into English and other languages.
The Koran also emphasized that the advent of Muhammad was foretold in all ancient Holy Books including the Torah of Moses and the original gospel of Jesus. The Koran also stressed the fact that the Jews and the Christians enviously concealed this important truth. In the Torah and the Gospel we can see several verses predicting the advent of Muhammad, the one who was given the task of establishing the kingdom of Allah on earth. I would therefore suggest that the Jews and the Christians seeking truth to search carefully about the signs of the advent of Muhammad in their books.
Reformation of Christianity in the third millineum, is certainly a major demand within the several Christian sects. The Koran which is guarded by Allah until the Day of judgment, would certainly serve as a reference for such reformation.
Going back to the statement of Bill Warner that the Koran does not have enough information in it to be a Muslim, I repeat: that the Koran has mentioned in several chapters and verses that in order to be a Muslim you must live the religion without deviation. The Koran freed people from slavery, explained how to respect women and treat them kindly, how to be polite and good to your parents and neighbors, ablution, purifying the body before prayers, pilgrimage, no sex outside marriage, no murder, no stealing, no lying, no hypocrisi, no liquor, no ham, rights of women in marriage and divorce, human rights, status of man and woman in the family, how to write contracts, how to make honest transactions, inheritance, what is lawful and what is unlawful, worshipping the One God – Allah, combined with deeds crowned with piety, what is piety and how to live a pious life, Jihad, martyrdom, when to launch a war against enemies trying to occupy Muslim lands, when to make peace, the rules governing war and peace, the wisdom of creation, the Hereafter, Resurrection, accountability, Paradise, Hell, the disputation of the unbelievers and evildoers in Hell etc. In other words, Islam as a whole is a code of life for Muslims while living in this worldly life. Muslims try hard to adhere to the principles of the Koran and the Sunna of the Prophet in order to please their Lord.
All these issues are purely reliogious in nature, and play a major part in how to be a Muslim. The Koran has then enough information (100%) in it to be a Muslim and not just 36% as Bill Warner claimed.
Bill Warber also claimed, ” The odd fact about the Islamic doctrine is that most of it is not about how to be a Muslim, but instead, the majority of it is about the non-Muslim, the Kafir. For instance 64% of the Koran deals with kafirs which is not religious in nature…The Islamic doctrine about kafirs is purely political, hence it is political Islam.”
The westerners who don’t speak Arabic and pretend to be Islamic scholars, usually misguide their people by introducing false infomation about Islam. It is a big mockery to see that their knowledge about Islam is taken from Fox news and biased media known by their enmity to Islam. Because they are ignorant in Arabic, they think, for example, that “jihad” means holy war, which is totally wrong. Jihad means “struggle”. They also think that kafir means non-Muslim, which is also wrong. Kafir means a man who doesn’t believe in God, all His angels, all His Books, all His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection, accountability, Heaven and Fire, and fate whether good or bad.
The Koran and the Prophet were not hostile at all against non-Muslims. On the contrary, when the Prophet first emigrated to Madina, the city was inhabited by the Jews, pagan Arabs and the believers. The Prophet gathered all the people under one pact, the pact of Madina. The Jews, the pagan Arabs and the believers were all given the right to live freely in Madina and practice their religion. The Jews and the disbelievers were given the same rights the Muslims had.This showed clearly that Islam is tolerant to other religions and to non-Muslims.
A Christian deligation came to the Prophet from Nagran in Yemen and wanted to understand Islam. He welcomed them and further honored them when he let them stay in his mosque for days after which he discussed Islam with them. He invited them to Islam but they refused. They then departed peacefully to Nagran. The following years some of them came back to Madina and embraced Islam.
The Jews under the pact of Madina were given the task of protecting the borders of Madina from the south if it were attacked by the tribe of Koraish. The Jews however secretly sided with Quraish, tried to kill the Prophet by attempting to throw a huge stone on his head from the roof of one of their houses. They even tried to poison him by offering him a piece of poisoned meat.
After engaging with Koraish in battles, Muhammad had to fight the Jews for their treachury and betrayal until he evacuated them from the Arab penynsula. Strategically, no one can disaprove his fighting with the Jews in order to defend his religion and his companions against their deceit and treason.
After he became the king of Arabia, the Prophet marched to Makka on the head of 10,000 warriors. He opened it without sheding one single drop of blood. He destroyed the idols of the pagan Arabs in the Ka’ba, then addressed the unbelievers, ” What do you thing I’ll do to you?” Tey said, ” You are a brother, and the son of an honorable brother.” He replied, ” I’ll tell you what Joseph said to his brothers, ” You are free to go “.
This was his attitude towards non-Muslims whom bill Warner erroneously calls kafirs!
It should be pointed out that after the expulsion of Muslims and Jews from Andalusia, the Jews and their rabbis, gained prominence in the courts of Baghdad, Cairo and Istanbul, performing the duty of palace physicians, finance officers, and even government ministers. As a minority, Jews exempt from Sharia and the government allowed them a degree of self-rule by appointing Jewish leaders to implement Jewish law fror their communities. Important synagogues spread all over the major cities of the Middle East, and relations between Muslims and Jews had been relatively calm for over a thousand years.
Wiiliam Draper in “History of Intellectual Development of Europe” wrote:
“During the period of the Caliphs the learned men of the Christians and the Jews were not only held in great esteem but were appointed to posts of great responsibility, and were promoted to the high ranking job in the government…He (Caliph Haroon Al-Rasheed) never considered to which country a learned person belonged nor his faith and belief, but only his excellence in the field of learning.”
Marcel Clerget in “La Turquie, Passe et present”, Paris, 1938, wrote:
“Many proofs of high cultural level of the Ottoman Empire during the rein of Suleiman the Magnificent are to be found in the development of science and law, in the flowering of literary works in Arabic, Pursian and Turkish, in the contemporary monuments in Istambul, Bursa and Edirne, in the boom of luxury and industries, in the sumptuous life of the court and high dignitaries, and last but not least in its religious tolerance. All the various influences – notably Turkish, Byzantine, and Italian mingle together and help to make this the most brillianet epoch of the Ottomans.”
This is how Muslims look at non-muslims Mr. Bill Warner.
In the Koran Allah has ordered the Prophet to act only as a conveyer of the Message, people are free to believe or not to believe, because Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment in all what they differed about.
The Koran calls the Jews and the Christians people of the Book (Torah and Gospel). The Koran however severely reproached the Christians because they tampered with the words of Jesus and considered him without rigtht as God or the son of God.
As for the Jews, the Koran reproached them because they changed the words of the Torah to suit their own whims and interests, mistreated their Prophets, some they belied and some they killed, they ran after the enjoyment of the fleeting life, they used usury in their transactions, they breached their covenants several times with Allah, they confined Allah to themselves, they accused Mary the mother of Jesus with unchastity, they claimed that they killed Jesus, they believed only in their prophets but not in Jesus and Muhammad, they considered Uzair (Ezra) as the son of God etc…
The Koran thus stated that sound belief is to believe in the One God, Allah, as conveyed by all Prophets in their times, believing in all the divine books (Pages of Abraham, Psalms of David, the trueTorah of Moses, the true Gospel of Jesus and the Koran of Muhammad), all His angels, all His Messengers, and in Allah’s fate good or bad.
Bill Warners says that the bulk of Islamic doctrine is taken from the Sunna. This is obviously wrong. The role of the Prophet beside delivering the Message is to explain the Koran to his followers. He explained things that were not explained in detail in the Koran like how to perform prayers, pilgrimage etc. He never said something contradicting the Koran. All his narrations and sayings are deeply rooted in the Koran.
Therefore, the bulk of the Islamic doctrine is not taken from the Sunna, but from the Koran. The Sunna only explains the Koran.
As for Jihad, when I realized that the attackers of Islam due to their ignorance in Arabic don’t know exactly the meaning of the word Jihad, I wrote an article in this site about the meaning of jihad and martyrdom in Islam. The article was written in the Bulletin of Christian persecution- January 11- January 22-, 2011. Those seeking the truth can go back to this article.
As for the trilogy project, I wrote my opinion regarding it in the same Bulletin with the same date. I proved that the trilogy project is nothing but a dotage. The Koran is not to be statistically analysed and be considered as a part in a trilogy. The Koran is the core, and the root and the bulk of the Islamic doctrine. The Sunna is only explanatory. The Sunna cannot therefore be considered as a separate entity or a rival that can be put on a similar scale with the Koran! To Muslims the Sunna is obligatory, but only complimentary to the Koran.
It is amazingly strange to see that Bill Warner initially conducted the trilogy project because he found the Koran difficult to understand, as if Allah deliberately descended a Book in order not to be understood by His servants! One of the miracles of the Koran, though is higly eloquent (divine Arabic language), Arabs whether literate or illiterate when reading or listening to it, they find it easy to understand.
After running his trilogy project, Bill Warner came up with 6 resuls each condemning the Koran with impiety, brutality, conspiracy, and falsehood! The man didn’t find one single virtue in the Book of virtues!
Misguidance and falsehood, that’s what we get from people like Bill Warner and the like.
Bill Warner correlated jihad – a word he doesn’t know its meaning – with what he calls political Islam. There is no politics in Islam. Islam is a complete code of life for Muslims to live on earth. Through this Islamic code they live in piety, honor and modesty, seeking the pleasure of their Lord. They seek His Mercy, hoping that He admits them to paradise. The worldly life is not their purpose, but rather the Hereafter where they will enjoy an eternal life in the Gardens of Eden.
Political Islam, this term invented by Bill Warner and other hate mongers like daniel Pipes, is not in the Islamic agenda. The purpose of Muslims is to live their religion in peace. But if they are invaded or threatened by a foreign force they fight back to regain their land, and here martyrdom plays an important role in their fight. They consider fighting the enemy as small Jihad. If they are left alone to live in peace, they go back to the great jihad which is fighting the temptation of the soul.
Are they to blame for living such brave and idealistic life? Are they to be stained with the false term, political Islam because they defend their land against the invaders?
Muhammad – peace be upon him – was a mighty Prophet. He was given the heavy task of establishing the kingdom of Allah on earth. This is why he was provided with divine power to accomplish his mission. He was provided with the Koran – the last Testament to the world – he was supported with angels in all his battles, When he was persecuted from his tribe for years, Allah took him in one night to Jerusalem where all Prophets from Adam to Jesus were resurrected to stand in rows behind him and prayed with him the Islamic prayer, Allah then assended him to the seventh heaven where he prostrated before the thrown and took the command of performing the 5 prayers of Islam.
Muhammad was a mighty Prophet. Allah favored him with strength and power in order to spread the only religion Allah will accept on the Day of Judgment, the religion of Islam, the religion of Muhammad and all Prophets before him.
The Prophet said:
I have been given five (things) which were not given to anyone before me:
a) Allah made me victorious by awe (Allah frightening the Prophet’s enemies).
b) The earth has been made for me (and his followers) a place for praying and a thing to purify (perform tayammum), therefore, any one of my followers can pray wherever he is, at the time of a prayer.
c) The booty has been made Halal (lawfu)l to me yet it was not lawful to anyone before me.
d) I have been given the right to intercession (on the Day of Resurrection).
e) Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only, but I have been sent to all mankind (Sahih Al-bukhari Vol. 1, Hadith No. 331).
Muhammad was honored by Allah as to be the seal of the Prophets and the final Prophet to all people. Prophethood not only ended with the advent of Muhammad, but it also achieved its final plentitude, consumation and calmination in him. This meant that Prophet Muhammad represented the completion and climax of all earlier prophetic missions as well as the fulfillment of all antecedent divine revelations. And this by itself conferred on him a distinct and special place in the galaxy of noble Prophets.
American scholar Rev. Bosworth Smith wrote:
“He (Muhammad) was cesar and Pope in one. But he was Pope without Pope’s pretensions, Cesar without the legions of Cezar, without standing army, without bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Muhammad, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports”.
Muhammad was a philosopher, orator, Apostle, legislator, warrior, conqeror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire.
Until his last moment there was not the slightest taint of royal pomp or show of the hauteur of the rich about him. Like any ordinary man he would sit and walk with people and share their joys and sorrows. He would so mingle and mix with the crowd that a stranger, or an outsider, would find it difficult to single out the leader of the people and the ruler of the nation from the rest of the companions. Once a Bedouin came to them and asked them who muhammad was, whilst he was serving his companions. His answer enshrines an eternal principle, “The Lord of the people is he who serves them.”
The endeavor and struggle of Prophet muhammad to bring about the Islamic religion was unique and unparalleled in the entire human history. All the stages of his struggle were completed in a very short time – his life span. This in fact is the most remarkable feat of the Prophet of Islam. He was able to establish the kingdom of Heaven on earth within a brief span of twenty three years so that Islam was practiced in its totality, both in letter and in spirit throughout the length and breadth of the Arabian Peninsula. This tremendous success would never have been achieved unless Allah, the Creator of the universe, provided the Prophet with divine support.
In the “Genuine Islam”, Vol.I, No. 81936, George Bernard Shaw wrote:
“If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam. I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which possesses that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him – the wonderful man – and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the savior of humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness.”
Well, Bill Warner, this is some of the testimonies of your Christian masters in literature, phylosophy , science, and religion. Would you put yourself in comparison with any of them? I think not. These people influenced your world, andt this is their opinion about the Prophet of Islam. How about your prejudiced and biased opinion which will be taken against you on the Day of Resurrection.
Is there any man greater than Muhammad? I think not. But this is the man bill Warner is slandering all the time. O Bill Warner, assuredly, you will bear the severe consequences on the Day of Resurrection. If you have read the Koran properly as you claim, you would surely have passed through the many verses demonstrating the torture awaithing those slandering Allah, His Prophet and the Koran.
Muslims don’t have to be apologetic about their religion. Muslims do not discuss their religion or argue about it, they rather follow it blindly. Their religion is divine and complete and it defines for them the road of salvation, the road to Paradise. The christians however, because they have altered the words of Jesus and now have 4 or 5 Bibles each claiming authenticity, they acquired the habit of discussing their religion by adding and curtailing until they became jarring sects.
Now the christians have a wonderful chance to reform their religion based on the injunctions of the Koran. The Koran is the only divine Book that still exists in its pristine form. The Christians could rely on the Koran as a reference for reforming their religion.
When Muslims enter into theological dialogues with Christians, their main purpose is to make the Christians understand Islam and not to embrace it, because as I said before, guidance comes from Allah. Now, the Christians know the truth about their religion from the Koran. Whether they believe in ithe Koran or not, a heavy burden is now laid on their shoulder.They will be held responsible for every word they knew from the Koran about the reality of Jesus as a Prophet and not God or son of God.
In the Koran we find several verses indicating that Allah will never accept being worshipped as a truin God. On the Day of Resurrection Allah will ask those attacking Islam, ” Was it with my Words you were mocking? Was it with my Messenger you were slandering?” Is this the return I get from you when I send you the Messenger of mercy to take you from darkness to light?
There is no much time for Bill Warner and his peers to embark in hostile work against islam. The book of life is short, and death is hovering over our heads. Bill Warner must find another job than political Islam that has already threatened his status with Allah. A job that might benefit him in the Hereafter, rather than joining the inmates of Hell?
The Koran has come to all people from their Lord to open their eyes, so whoso sees, it is for his own good, and whoso is blind, is blind to his own hurt. Had Allah willed, people would not have taken false gods. The Prophet’s job is only to deliver the Message, Allah has not set him as a keeper over the people, nor is he responsible over them. Muhammad is not to watch over people’s innocence and folly.
Allah says in the Koran:
Clear proofs have come to you from your Lord. Whoso sees clearly, it is to his own gain, and whoso is blind, it is to his own loss; I am not a watcher over you.
Had Allah willed, they were not idolaters; and We have not appointed thee a watcher over them, neither art thou their guardian (Al-An’am 104-107).
There is no better than ending my words with the Koranic verse:
This is a Message to be delivered to mankind that they may be warned by it, and that they may know that He is One God, and that all possessed of minds may remembber (Ibrahim, 52).
Steve
Being a student of Islam, I must say you are wrong Mr. Bill.
You never come across Koran, I can be sure.
Islam is at your doorstep, its door wide open, calling everyone to embrace it or reject but all what you choose must be with reason.
I feel Islam is the future as it has the potential to rule the mind of humanity thus ruling the world in total.
Steve Mac
Democracyistheanswer
Since when was self-defense a crime or a sin?
Malcolm Muggeridge identified what he called ‘the Great Liberal Death Wish’ which he observed in those who hoped Western democracies would be swept away by totalitarian, atheistic communism. Many even supported Adolf HItler during the thirties, allowing Hitler an unimpeded path to World War.
The same DeathWish group has now adopted Political Islam as the new instrument of death for freedom and democracy.
As Dr. Warner has pointed out already, there are only two kinds of kafirs…those who know nothing about Islam and support it…(the party of ignorance)…and those who have read the source texts of Islam, understand them…and oppose them.
The lib-left Death Wish crowd has no desire to read Islam’s source texts.
Steve Weiler
Excellent point Bill. Ignorance has destroyed man many times over, when wisdom was shouting in the streets to be heard.