The most persecuted group in the world today is Christians. Christians in Nigeria, Egypt, Syria and other nations are murdered, raped, kidnapped, enslaved and persecuted on a daily basis. The reason for the vast majority of all of this violence is that they are Christian among Muslims.
But their abuse does not stop with the violence. The perpetrators of violence are measured in the thousands, but the greatest abuse is at the hands of those who should demand that the violence stop. The silence in the face this persecution is denial and justification. The persecutors are few, but the deniers are in the billions.
Christians are enjoined to care for all persecuted people, but in particular, they are to care for their own brothers and sisters. They manage to ignore the persecution by doing good works, such as care for the poor. Christians have compassion but no courage to face the enemy who kills them. In Nashville, TN (the buckle on the Bible belt) the favorite indoor sport for those who should be dealing with the enemy, Islam, is going to Family of Abraham events and bridge building dialogues where they dance to the tune of Muslims. There is no problem of meeting with Islam, but the rules of engagement are that nothing will be said that offends Islam.
In the parable of the Good Samaritan, an injured man is on the side of the road. Two religious leaders pass him by on the other side of the road. They don’t harm the injured man, they just ignore him. This is the same thing that Christian leaders do at dialogues such as Family of Abraham. They meet with Muslims who adhere to a doctrine that includes killing Christians. But, the leaders will not bring up the Islamic persecution to them. The Christian leadership response to murder of their brothers and sisters is silence. They pass by on the other side of the road. Their silence is consent.
But Christians are not the only deniers. Normally, Jews are quick to step forward in the area of charity and support of victims, but not so with persecuted Christians. Some of this denial may be due to a dislike of Christianity, but Jews are no quicker to help their own.
If you go to thereligionofpeace.com you will find an amazing data base of jihad attacks since 9/11. The current number of attacks is in excess of 22,000 attacks. It is very instructive to parse the data and see what are the top four nations of jihad attacks. When you put the data on a per capita basis, you get the following countries: Israel, Thailand, Philippines and India. Or by religion: Jews, Buddhists, Christians and Hindus. So Jews are the victims of violence by Islam, but the Jews of America love to go to Family of Abraham events and be as silent as the Christians.
But what about the most sensitive victim group – the black American? Victim-ology is the dogma of a myriad black “civil rights” groups with their high priests of race hustles such as Al Sharpton. The most persecuted Christians are in Africa. But the civil rights hustlers of America just love to hang with Muslims as their brothers. All of those dead Africans? Not a problem for African Americans.
It is surprising how many Buddhists are being killed in jihad, but is it a surprise that Buddhists never talk about it? And aside from a few Hindu activists, never a word is heard from the Hindu community about their deaths by jihad.
The deaths in the Philippines are Catholics and what does Pope Francis say about Islam? He says,
Faced with disconcerting episodes of violent fundamentalism, our respect for true followers of Islam should lead us to avoid hateful generalizations, for authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.
Oh, I see. Over 1400 years of Christian deaths at the hands of jihadists means that they were not true Muslims and that the 22,000 jihadic attacks since 9/11 are not authentic. The annihilation of Christianity in Turkey, Middle East and Africa is not the result of “proper reading of the Koran”. The Pope is the perfect candidate for magical thinking and idiot compassion. And notice the little hate speech riff: “avoid hateful generalizations”. Pope Francis, do you mean generalizations such as conclusions that result from reading the Koran, the Sunna, the Sharia and a 1400 year history of the murder of all kinds of Kafirs (non-Muslims)?
But, in his own way, Pope Francis is the leader of all Christians. He just happens to have on more elaborate clothing as he practices denial.
So, it turns out that Christians are not the most despised group of people in the world. They just happen to be the largest subgroup. The most despised group in the world is the victim of Islam. And whether it is a dead Christian congregation, a murdered apostate, a sad Muslim woman with FGM, or any other victim of jihad, no one will speak out for the victim and against the perpetrator. All leaders share in the shame of being ignorant cowards practicing idiot compassion.
How is this to stop? Well, being polite won’t help, because if polite worked, the problem would be solved. The key to our response is that we have the high moral ground. We must oppose the oppressor, Islam, and stand with the oppressed – Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and all others who are oppressed by jihad. Our opponents, the deniers, support the oppressor, Islam, and ignore and suppress the fate of the victims. The deniers are evil, period.
If you are a Christian, get some allies, and come up with a program about the persecuted church. The program could be bringing in some persecuted Christians, such as Copts, to speak to Sunday school classes or doing a long term study of the Armenian holocaust in 20th century Turkey. When you go to leadership, do not ask permission or make a request. Make demands and if those demands are not met, then some form of protest inside your church must be launched.
Stand up at services and protest, hand out brochures, do whatever it takes until “leadership” agrees to not pass by on the other side of the road and neglect the dead Christians. Point out their moral position is wrong and evil. Do not be shy. Ask them to use scripture to morally justify their denial and ignorance. Be respectful, but firm and do not stop until good prevails.
This is a moral battle and if you are not a Christian, you should do the same in other venues. A possible venue is the local media. Make demands to recognize the victims of jihad and if they are not met, make a protest. Public protest is a powerful tool for change. We must acknowledge the world’s largest human rights tragedy. Being nice is the road to civilizational annihilation.
Bill Warner, Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam
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54 Responses
brownshirt
The pope is NOT the leader of all christians at all. Now what i want to say is that im starting to believe that the government officials, educators, members of the MSM have been infiltrated by muslim operatives as well as collaborators. When i hear a prime minister, president, governor, mayor, all say that we need to show compassion or “terrorism is a normal part of living in a big city” and such foolishness i ask myself how can someone in that position be that damn stupid? My belief is they probably are not stupid at all, but their working for the other side, playing for the other team if you will. Its unfortunate that we today cannot all seem to agree or come to a common idea in order to combat this issue. Everyone seems to think THEY know better than others and instead of listening to, and following a leader, most people today think its they that should be the leader and they resent anyone that would otherwise be a bullwark against this scourge.
I say we need that bulwark, a firebrand, a seargeant at arms and followed by vast numbers of people with one goal. and thats to rid ourselves of this modern religion with bronze age doctrine.
thats all i have to say
XWPISONOMA
The Pope is NOT the leader of all Christians. I hope this is clear to all. Actually, it is a fact that his denial to face the problem with Islam and confront the Muslims, is proof that he is NOT the leader of ALL Christians, period!
neilmrb
Whoa !!
I got here by the way of the Clarion Project article “Why do we need to support progressive Muslims ?.”
Blog responses one by Conrad Gabbard University of Florida referral ” A Simple Koran” available through politicalislam.com.
I get lost reading and here I am.
Great referral to a Great site.
Thank YOU
Bill Warren
I’ll be back !
Neil Barron
Just someone in search of the truth and enlightenment.
“With all thy getting, get understanding”
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MIA1966
This is a sincere message of peace not persecution…. I used to be a Christian but the current actions of certain extreme Christians the recent violent history all the way to Christianity’s plagiarized origin didn’t speak of salvation to me but one of using fear to control the ignorant masses. In the past, if fear and manipulation didn’t work, torture was then employed to convince the masses to have ‘faith’ without a shred of proof. – I am sorry that today’s Christian are feeling persecuted but what goes around comes around.
How many millions have died for faith based religions? Here is a rough idea of the numbers:
The Holocaust: 6 million — The Crusades: 1-3 million — Partition of India: 1 million — The Inquisition: 1 million — 30 Years War: 3 – 11 million — French Wars of Religion: 2-4 million — Nigerian Civil War: 1-3 million — Second Sudanese Civil War: 1-2 million. That’s just one religion I looked into and I am quite sure mostly all the other’s are right up there too. Do you see a pattern here yet?
If the more extreme Christians didn’t have knee-jerk reaction to everything and insist on forcing their values and beliefs down everyone else’s throat this might not be happening to you today.
Just a thought here… Kharma is something more to believe in than far-fetched story that you are not even permitted to question. At least Kharma can be seen simply as a way to lives one life…
But I understand that some humans have not evolved enough to behave in a civilized manner without the fear of eternal damnation…
You all have a brain – try to use it for a change. Stop being controlled by the manipulations of human’s in positions of power.
romit
MIA1966 writes ‘This is a sincere message of peace not persecution’ and proceeds to persecute the reader with her warped rendition of history…
XWPISONOMA
This is a least laughable for someone who cites propagandistic numbers to accuse the other of not using their brain. By the way, most of what I read above is outright misrepresentation and sophistry. 1. These numbers are totally arbitrary and have not been corroborated by objective sources. 2. The incidents mentioned are not the results of Christians fulfilling to the letter the doctrine of the New Testament. 3. E.g. the so called “Holocaust” has nothing to do with what we are discussing, and even the 6 million number is again a symbolic=arbitrary number the Jews have the tendency to bring up since many decades BEFORE WW2. Even the word “holocaust” is a misnomer (look it up, before you label me an “anti-semite” which is -also- a minomer, and an insult to every free-thinking person on this earth).
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mike2058
Hi all,
I thought I would throw my two cents in on the topic and maybe add a few more nuggets of insight fir our Protestant and Evangelical that everyone may find interesting. But first, since this is my first post to his website I want to tell Dr. Warner I don’t give a tinkers damn about his opinions of Islam, but I can’t thank him enough for providing a methodology to help me study this political system in a systematic way and so far have come to many of his same conclusions. Again, I can’t thank him enough for teaching me how to fish instead of just tossing me a fish. This topic is way to important not to understand it and what it represents to the west. Now on to the topic. During one of Dr. Warner’s videos, a Muslim gentleman in the crowed asked him the question about how could a non-Muslim teach Islam. Dr. Warner’s eyes fired up and he responded in what I would imagine was in the great tradition of a Protestant reformer when told by Catholic Church that only the Catholic Priesthood could understand how to teach Christianity, he calmly said for the Muslim to show him a verse he couldn’t understand. That of course got me thinking that if you notice when a Muslim is responding to a kafir’s criticism about Islam, they always responds with an adhominem attack telling the kafir he didn’t doesnt understand what he is talking about, quit making a fool of him self and be quiet. This seems to happen in every encounter I can remember and also to be a interesting and surprisingly powerful tool (especially if one is diciplined infront of a group) to keep all the kafers doubting over what they, even if its just a tiny bit, Islam really has a way to get in ones head.. Now why is this important – It really isn’t but is adds one more thing to understanding Islam. For me, this caned type response suggests that Islam is forbidden to accept criticisms from an outsider and will always avoid the statement regardless of how factual or well presented by the kafer will be told he is clueless and uninformed. So let me make a reasonable conclusion to this little factoid and that is to never wast your time trying to evangelize or otherwise engage a Muslim as a kafer about his faith. Your just wasting your time.
On another note, I am a Catholic and I just wanted to point out to those that may not know this but the Catholic Church holds that holy scripture does not contain everything a christian needs to understand her faith. Sacred community is also part of understanding which means to be a Christian and that lives of saints or examples for different christian communities which is, of course, interpreted for you by the church priesthood. This is a bit different from how a Muslim understand how to be a good Muslim but this still very understanding. For me, I become a tad frustrated when I watch an Evangelical struggle with some aspect of the Koran because they inadvertently are assuming that you can understand Islam from the Koran like someone can understand Christianity strictly from the bible. Of course, as a Catholic is disagree with that concept of the bible as sole source, So, as Dr. Warner suggests, Its ok to start any discussions with the Hadith or Sunnah and then move to the Koran. As I understand, and correct me if I am wrong, but some feel that since one can’t really can’t understand Islam from just the Koran anyway, why spend your valuable time using it like one would use the bible.
Well, I hope I didn’t babble along to much and that I added a little something useful for others to use, even if that means never read a post from me again. Again, thanks for this great website and the major effort that Dr. Warner has put into probably the most important topic every Kafer should know about.
themediator
I would like to suggest that we all tone down a little bit. Angry, vitriolic talk does not help. I appreciate what everyone has to say and I learned much from Bills’ video “1,400 years…”. Lets’ just keep the hate down and stay to reasoned argument.
pa_flo001
“… jihad attacks since 9/11 […] is in excess of 22,000 attacks.”
It’s probably called … love bombing…
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rightrightright
The Church and its joined at the hip politicians like refer to Christ’s teaching “love thy neighbour as thyself” and that one’s enemy should be treated as a loved neighbour. All this to keep the populace self righteously docile.
It is worth pointing out to the next person who uses this teaching, that Christ did not require his followers to love their neighbour MORE than themselves, which is in fact what Christians are being required to do.
Further, we are told to turn the other cheek rather a lot these days with regard to Islam. A more flip but still accurate response is that you can’t turn the other cheek if your head has just been chopped off.
Carlos Libenson
THANK YOU!!! Bill for your great efforts.
Personally I follow you all over the Internet and I am truly grateful for all I have learned about Islam.
I cannot be optimistic on this topic obviously. Western societies are in decadence and we somehow face annihilation. Almost 300 Christian school girls have been kidnapped, raped, sold and converted and we only see timid banners asking for their return. Instead of a crusade and the necessary fight.
You are a brave man and as a well known fellow citizen of mine, Jorge Luis Borges said: Courage is the highest value. You sir have a lot and I thank you for that.
Guest
It would be NICE, that SOMEDAY ISLAM might be FULLY KNOWN IN TRUTH. As to WHO REALLY IS The Prophet? Here’s how;
Go to the south pole on Google earth, then in Windows 7&8 “open up the color inverter in the Magnifier App and Turn It ON”.
Scroll to the center, & notice many bright white angels flying about. Where they come from, will reveal the Truth, of Islam, once, and for all….
Cassandra
This image tells the story. She was probably given the option to recant and chose not to. Horrific. Should really be on Yahoo and Google news, TIME Magazine, The NYTimes, and the The Guardian but liberal women are only permitted to hear about those forward issues such as ‘Leaning In’ and ‘Banning Bossy’. Unfortunately silence is consent. Albert Einstein said the world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but rather by the good people who do nothing to stop them.
http://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/saudi-arabia-officials-sew-the-mouth-and-eye-shut-of-a-young-girl-who-professed-jesus-as-her-saviour/
THE TRUTH SEEKER
To the Non-Muslims worldwide whether you are a capitalist, socialist or communist, your common ENEMY is Islamofacists with their evil doctrines-Koran, sira, hadith and Shariah laws.
Shariah is a comprehensive, totalitarian and supremacist Islamic Politico-military-legal program with
1)Brutally repressive characters,
2)Anti-constitutuional treatment of woman, minorities,gays, apostates etc
3)Mandate to impose it globally.
Shariah is fundamentally about POWER and not faith.
The Muslim Brotherhood (largest worldwide Muslim organization) seeks to
a) achieve Shariah’s triumph worldwide,
b)Reestablish the Caliphate(Islamic Empire comprising of 57 OIC countries whch was disbanded in 1924 after they lost World War 1 as Islamic Ottoman Empire ) to rule globally.
Their Credo
“Allah is our objective,
Prophet Mohamed is our leader,
The Koran is our law,
Jihad is our way,
Dying is the way of Allah is our highest aspirations”
The Islamofacists are using Stealth Jihad, Defensive Jihad and Ultimately Offensive Jihad when the time is ripe!
The Stealth Jihad is called the Civilization Jihad and below are some of their techniques:
1)Keep the non-muslims(Kafirs) ignorant of the true nature and progress of Shariah,
2)Prohibit “Blasphemy” and “Slander”
3)Demand Concessions,
4)Utilize educational vehicles(brain-wash your children in schools, colleges, universities to think their religion of peace)
5)Interfaith “Dialogue ”
6)Introduce Shariah-compliant Finance called Islamic Banking and Halal foods
7)Insinuate Shariah into US , European Courts and United Nations
8)Place Muslim Brothers into positions in US , Europe and United Nations from which they can exercise influence
Hi Dr. BILL W,
PLEASE WAKE -UP ALL THE NON-MUSLIMS WORLD-WIDE WHO ARE IN THE “JIHAD DENIAL SYNDROME” AND FIGHT THEIR PLAN OF DECEPTION TO CONQUER YOU FROM WITHIN AND THEN GLOBALLY!
THE TRUTH SEEKER
TO JOHN ISLAM, THE ISLAMOFACIST/THE ISLAMIC DEMON,
You have confirmed to us, the non-Muslims that you and your islamic gangsters are the followers of the SATAN-the Arab Pagan Moon God who is the master of deceivers and schemers as said in the Koran , and you & your Islamic demons had planned to conquer and subjugate the non-muslims for along times (1400 years) and also declared wars against us, the non-muslims.
Well, so the 3rd World War is coming and you, the Islamic gangsters/demons, Mohammad and Allah are responsible for the coming World War. But we are very confidence to win the war and we shall sent you and your Islamic Gangsters/demons to HELL with your Satan keeping your evil rotting souls forever. NO 72 VIRGINS FOR YOU, SEX MANIAC!
THE TRUTH SEEKER
THANK YOU DR. BILL WARNER! WE MUST AWAKE ALL THE NON-MUSLIMS in this world to fight these barbaric Islamofacists / Islamic demons who want to follow the Allah, the Arab Pagan Moon God who is called the master of deceivers and schemes and has declared wars against the non-muslims and called on all muslims to jihad to die for him.
Therefore, the non-Muslims must strongly counter-Jihad them without mercy and ban them in non-Muslim communities and countries.
Look like 3rd World war is unavoidable, Non-muslims should alliance and fight and destroy these Islamic Demons for good before they form their Islamic Caliphate/ Empire.
Send them back to HELL with their LUCIFER !
GM
Hi all Cinse I only read some content of every ones opinion , here is my version of the Muslim faith , but first I like to congratulate mr BILL WARNER
for donating all of his efforts and time that it took to analyze that religion or if you will that combination of “political religion ” witch is ONE ,political and religius AND VERY CLEVERALY IT WAS ORCHISTRATED THRU THE CENTURIES TO PREVAIL THHRU JIHAD SINCE THEYER CAUSE HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE once in battle if they win they get to ANNIHILATE THE INHABITANTS AND TAKE ALL (lafira in Greek ) WITCH MEANS GOODS ! AND IF THEY DIE IN BATTLE NOT TO WARRY ! THEY WILL GO TO HEAVEN AND ENJOY MOUNDS OF PILAF AND AHH A LOT OF VIRGINS will be waiting for them there ..! SO THIS SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A WINN WINN SITUATION .. OHH MY DEAR HUMANS HOW brain washed a humman can really be TO FALLOW ON SOMEONE ELSESS IDEAS AND ANGRY PERSONAL AMBITIONS , and there are allways the ignorant hurds to folow them ..! and just like mr WARNER SAID THE Subconscious fear and “guilt” IS PRESENT but its changing rapidly with the help of people like mr WARNER …! THANK YOU Mr WARNER FOR YOU OPENNING OUR EYES A LITTLE WIDER ..!
Cdavis
Only thing that will save the world from religious idiots of all faiths is to realize there is no true religion only ignorant pompous,arrogant men who think they are important- men cannot accept the fact that they are mortal -period.
So ignorant.
So self consumed and narcissistic.
So much tragedy and suffering in the name of assholes!
Why do you idiots still think physical violence will get you anywhere?
True spirituality has nothing to do with this earth or its cares- but the emotional integrity of the spirit. So take notice all you men who rely on testosterone for your beliefs- doesn’t hold water. You religious zealots are all idiots! Religion and using it as a reason to kill or try to dominate on the planet, WILL NOT HELP YOU IN THE AFTERLIFE.
For smart people you act so stupid!
Religion is stupid.
Go to the spirit and avoid religion.
WE are all the same soul why don’t any of you get that? There will never be a harmonious afterlife for anyone who doesn’t get that.
Kathy Schwab
Many people have never thought of the Pope as the leader of all Christians. Pope Francis is not the leader of all Christians because many people have come to notice that the Catholic faith has many WICKED things in it such as the statues of certain Saints in their churches which many people have prayed to along with Jesus’s mother, Mary…..One does not ever pray to her. Jesus Christ is a Real & True Christians mediator that we go through, PERIOD. Manmade rules in the church’s do nothing for people, the rosier is NOTHING, doing a cross on yourself means Nothing, etc…..AND NO MAN EVER HAS THE RIGHT TO CHANGE ANYTHING GOD HAS SAID IN HIS WORD…THE Catholic church has never had the right to change the SABBOTH DAY FROM SATURDAY TO SUNDAY – God warns mankind that if they take away from the WORD or ADD to the WORD is a very serious thing…….go look it up and learn the Word of God for yourself. Be careful as many will fall away from the Faith, the real Truth of Jesus Christ!!!
romit
Kathy Schwab, you are another misinformed member of one of the, let me guess, many divided protestant sects that sprang up since the 15th century? Where to begin with the nonsense you wrote. The Catholic Church is the Church that Christ founded. There are no ‘wicked things’ in it as you claim. The canon of the Bible was determined in the Catholic Church in the late 4th century and many of its traditions were begun by the Apostles themselves. But you apparently do not know this because 1) you have not studied Christian history and 2) you believe in the doctrine of the ‘bible alone’. Sorry, no one ever believed in ‘the bible alone’ except the early heretics, which a major reason but not the only one why martin luther was declared a heretic. Read your history. Apply some of the fact-based reasoning techniques you might have learned on this website to your own bogus beliefs about the Catholic Church.
R Muhammad
@ Safwan – Muhammad has fried your brain. Islam is from Shaitan!
Islam is anti-women, anti-Christian, pro-rape, pro-slavery, pro-terrorism. Do you love these things? If so then you love Islam. If you hate these things, then you’ve rightfully classified Dr. Warner as “Islam hater”.
And you’re right that he knows a lot about bull, because he knows a lot about Muhammad / Allah / Qur’an / Islam!
I hope you get out of the cult of Islam before it is too late.
Safwan
Unfortunate for people like this man talks such untrue talk, takes things out of context just to show that he knows things and buzz words making people believe that he has something. He talks history and yet he says he is a scientist. He is a big Bull.Trash in produces trash out. This talk that he published on August 31, 2012 full of errors. Unfortunate for his audience must not be of any intelligence. He is Islam hater, because he knows nothing about Islam, but he knows a lot about bull. I feel sorry for him. May be one day he wakes up to the truth, at his age, I hope he search the truth before it is too late.
OrdinaryGuy
“The point though surely is that we have now reached a crisis where the bridges are rapidly being deliberately destroyed by those with a vested interest in doing so.
“This is achieved through intimidation, false accusation and organised persecution including upon Christian communities in the Middle East at the present time.”
HRH Prince Charles
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-charles/10524211/Christianity-beginning-to-disappear-in-its-birthplace-warns-Prince-of-Wales.html
Steffen Larsen
siddiqui’s little feel-good piece about islamic tolerance and inter-faith justice is copied from “The Rights of Non-Muslims in Islam (part 1 of 13): An Islamic Basis”
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/374/viewall/
Everything apparently culled from sources of the first few centuries of minority islamic rule, making it acceptable to the majority non-muslims to be alive and pay for the honor. As mentioned by tahmineh there is more to it.
OrdinaryGuy
“@zishan siddiqui
Your words are clear and eloquent – your logic is lacking:
“There is no compulsion in religion” (Quran 2:256)
The punishment for Apostasy in Islam is death. So if a Muslim wishes to deny his belief; wishes to become an Atheist; wishes to embrace another belief – and he/she is public with this – then under Sharia Law his punishment is death.
How is this not compulsion in religion?
If some stranger in a far-away land decides that Mohammed is to be mocked and draws a cartoon to this effect –
How then is it that a Fatwa on this person’s life is not compulsion in religion? At the very least you must admit – surely – that it compels all Muslims (regardless of what they really think) to never question the Theocracy that controls them and to always do as the Imams say. How is this not compulsion?
There are many other forms of compulsion too subtle and not so subtle – taxation, robbery, alienation, exclusion, deception, Jihad, rape, and physical violence for a few examples.
So now – what does it mean to “treat people justly” – you state that Islam treats all people justly.
Justly – to give Justice to – it means to treat them as the law says to treat them – to consider the full meaning of the law and then to apply it fairly.
So which law are we talking about?
The universal law that all people are equal – regardless of religion, race, belief, gender, age, social class or disability?
Or the law that distinguishes between a second class of person called women, and an even lower class of person called Kafir?
Your words are very pretty – but until Islam can say that all Muslim’s are Kafir and to be treated as Kafir under Sharia law – I will not be convinced that “a brother should do unto a brother that which the brother most earnestly desires for himself” – is in any way a universal statement of equality.”
Islam seems to have an answer for everything – and the scholars of Islam have labored for centuries to refine all of the meanings.
But Islam can hold no logical concept of the Equality of all People so long as the term Kafir exists in its texts and laws.
And I would argue that because Islam does not clearly state: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” as its guiding principle – then Islam can all too easily produce self-serving and unfair judgements in its attempts to construct any kind of secular legal system.
Sharia — I won’t even mention in this respect – because Sharia is the codification of inequality and the elevation of the rights of a select group at the expense of all other people outside of this group.
I respect you and your right to your religion as a Muslim but I have a problem with the political application of Islam as a tool to leverage power on a human scale against the weak (women or minorities for example) and on the scale of nations (Jihad against a state, against an ethnic group or against any other kind of political system that “Political Islam” does not like).
But mostly I have a problem with Islam’s legal division of humanity into Kafir and human.
Other than nice words how is Islam a fair and just system for a diverse and varied world of many cultures?
(With apologies for the double post)
OrdinaryGuy
@zishan siddiqui
Your words are clear and eloquent – your logic is lacking:
“There is no compulsion in religion” (Quran 2:256)
The punishment for Apostasy in Islam is death. So if a Muslim wishes to deny his belief; wishes to become an Atheist; wishes to embrace another belief – and he/she is public with this – then under Sharia Law his punishment is death.
How is this not compulsion in religion?
If some stranger in a far-away land decides that Mohammed is to be mocked and draws a cartoon to this effect –
How then is it that a Fatwa on this person’s life is not compulsion in religion? At the very least it compels all Muslims (regardless of what they really think) to bnot question and to always do as the Imams say.
There are many other forms of compulsion too – taxation, robbery, alienation, exclusion, deception, Jihad, rape, physical violence for a few examples.
What does it mean to “treat people justly”
– it means to treat them as the law says to treat them – to consider the full meaning of the law and then to apply it fairly.
So which law are we talking about?
The universal law that all people are equal – regardless of religion, race, belief, gender, age, social class or disability?
Or the law that distinguishes between a second class of person called women, and a lower class of person called Kafir?
Your words are very pretty – but until Islam can say that all Muslim’s are Kafir and to be treated as Kafir under Sharia law – I will not be convinced that “a brother should do unto a brother that which the brother most ernestly desires for himself” – is in any way a universal statement of equality.
tahmineh
Quran rule #4: lies and deception. Taqiyya is hiding the true intentions of Islam so that the muslim in question doesn’t get punished. Kitman is lying by omission. I’m sure we’ve all seen examples of these in action. Allah is the “grand deceiver” after all, which brings up two points. 1) if allah is the “grand deceiver” then theologically that would make him Satan and 2) that islam itself is a fat pack of lies.
Quran rule #5: sexual depravity. In jannah (paradise) muslim males are promised virgins a(nd eternal erections) in 56:22 and 56:36. As if that weren’t deplorable enough, young boys are sexualized in 52:24, 56:17, and 76:19. Almost all muslim boys are sexually abuses and some are even in slave-like positions and called “bacha bazi boys”. Muslim girls are subjected to FGM and are taken from homes in the West to go on “holiday” to get butchered. The reason for this is so that women won’t enjoy sex and won’t cheat on their male keepers. Never mind the unsanitary butchering, which nurses complain about in the UK when these poor girls come back if they don’t die in the process, they have no choice but to have a surgical birth as the vaginal opening is too small.
tahmineh
Quran rule #1: early verses are abrogated by later verses. This is how muhammad said to deal with the contradictions. So the “no compulsion” verse on surah 2 is nullified by many later verses such as 8:12 which commands muslims to behead those who refuse to convert and chop off their fingers. This verse was put into action recently at the mall in Kenya.
Quran rule #2: misogyny. Beating, rape, and pedophilia are all fully supported in islam. Here is a link of just 10 examples.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/top_ten_rules_in_the_quran_tha.html
Women are indeed FORCED to wear the hijab 33:59
Quran rule #3: intolerance. With verses like “allah loves only the muslims” and “don’t makes friends with Christians and Jews” 5:51-52 what can we expect? Not just “don’t make friends with kuffar” there is “kuffar are wrong” 33:36 and a verse about stabbing pagans in the back and attacking them after the treaty with them expired. Oh and subjugation! If they pay jizya tax don’t kill the kuffar 9:29. And how the kuffar lie! 16:105 says that it’s the kuffar who are liars, never the muslims. More about that one in a few.
zishan siddiqui
“And We have not sent you but as a mercy to all the worlds.” (Quran 21:107)
When a person analyzes the legislations of Islam with an open mind, the Mercy mentioned in this verse will definitely become apparent. One of the aspects constituting an epitome of this Mercy is the way the legislations of Islam deal with people of other faiths. The tolerant attitude of Islam towards non-Muslims, whether they be those residing in their own countries or within the Muslim lands, can be clearly seen through a study of history. This fact is not only purported by Muslims, but many non-Muslim historians also accept it. Patriarch Ghaytho wrote:
‘The Arabs, to whom the Lord has given control over the world, treat us as you know; they are not the enemies of Christians. Indeed, they praise our community, and treat our priests and saints with dignity, and offer aid to churches and monasteries.'[1]
Will Durant wrote:
‘At the time of the Umayyad caliphate, the people of the covenant, Christians, Zoroastrians, Jews, and Sabians, all enjoyed degree of tolerance that we do not find even today in Christian countries. They were free to practice the rituals of their religion and their churches and temples were preserved. They enjoyed autonomy in that they were subject to the religious laws of the scholars and judges.'[2]
These just relations between Muslims and people of other faiths were not due to mere politics played by Muslim rulers, but rather they were a direct result of the teachings of the religion of Islam, one which preaches that people of other religions be free to practice their own faith, only accepting the guidance offered by Islam by their own choice. God says in the Quran:
“There is no compulsion in religion” (Quran 2:256)
Not only does Islam demand their freedom to practice religion, but also that they be treated justly as any other fellow human. Warning against any abuse of non-Muslims in an Islamic society, the Prophet stated:
“Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, curtails their rights, burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” (Abu Dawud)
How far is this mannerism than the majority of nations, to this day, which not only suppress the rights of foreign religions, but also foreign peoples and races! In a time when Muslims were being tortured to death in then pagan Mecca, Jews were being persecuted in Christian Europe, and various peoples were being subjugated due to their particular race or caste, Islam called to the just treatment of all peoples and religions, due to its merciful tenets which gave humanity the right to their humanness.
romit
Just visit any muslim country for yourself and see how ‘free’ you are to practice your religion. Muslims are lying when they tout ‘freedom’ in their religion. And about the violence inherent in Islam refer to bill warner’s stats on the issue:
~340,000 verses in islam
~34,000 in OT
~0 in NT
http://cspipublishing.com/statistical/charts.html#Bible
zishan siddiqui
Peace be upon all……in the name of lord of Abraham. …Moses…..jesus Mohammad and who belive in the day of judgment. ..
We are praying for all specially for those who are suffering at any part of world.may God grant them peace………
And few world about right of non muslim in muslim state according to Gods word….and those who are following the commandments aru true follower of lord……
Lea
Dear Bill
There is a lot being said about Islam and the wicked conduct of many Muslims, yet I cannot find a website that can help us to effectively DO SOMETHING about declaring Political Islam a crime against humanity and sharia a violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
It would be really helpful if we could create a platform or a lobby to voice our concerns at the most important places like the UN and other Human Rights bodies as well as governments.
Also, utilising our free speech and expression to bring the danger of political islam to the notice of the general public is desperately needed, but how do we do this.
I feel frustrated, because all we do is rant about Islam and yet do little to oppose the sanction of sharia as a government system.
I look forward to your reply and will appreciate it if you could point me into the right direction.
art shepherd
Great article. All who claim to be aware of the evil of Islam need to follow your example and SPEAK OUT. Silence is as bad as cooperation. I live in the area your article mentioned and know firsthand of political officials who turn blind eyes to actual crimes committed by Muslims because they are afraid of being sued! Muslims are favored in the court systems as well. JohnIslam is a fool.
Gordon Mitchell
No matter what faith or religion you hold to, no matter what nationality you are, you either accept you’re God as a God of love and peace, or a God of hate and war. There can be no in between! Man creates God’s in all forms as and when required, and it is this that allows for the ever growing confusion that clouds our minds.
If you believe that your God is the creator of the whole of space and time, and if you believe that your God is the creator of all forms of life, in particular, human life, then you cannot agree that any person should ever be killed for any reason what-so-ever!
One person creates all peoples of this earth. That person is God the Creator. Who fills the inter spaces of the galaxies! Whatever name you have for God as you see him, you must agree that it is not logical for the children of God to kill another child of God.
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cjk
I also don’t think JohnIslam is a Mohammedan, but I do think he is right.
We are already well into a new dark age as foretold in the Christian Scripture.
Yes the whole world is going to worship and adore Satan/Allah while stamping out and exterminating any and all resistance to that evil end.
This time no one less than Christ himself will destroy the evil.
So enjoy your time now JohnIslam and all those of the same ilk because you will have Hell to pay for eternity.
Democracyistheanswer
JohnIslam, You are boring. I suspect you aren’t even a Moslem, but a Serbian supernationalist or something of the sort.
John, this whole website is refutation of what you write, but it is intellectual. You would have to read it for many hours to understand any of it and you apparently believe that learning is unnecessary.
JohnIslam
Curse Kafurs / Non – Muslim
I write to you all so that when we MUSLIM are majority in USA …We will overthrow the last bastion of western civiliisation for good.PERIOD
Europe is GONE.Too late. No recourse to be a western civilisation. We muslim has already accomplished the vitual conquest of Europe not by war, but by your own stupidity of your politicians and citizens.
So please, don’t blame us muslim for conquering your nation. I do not have to tell you how we do it. But what is working in EUROPE is the model to subjugate the USA . I estimate that within 25 years, USA will be the way of Europe today as of 18 Dec 2013.
That means that in about 2040, Europe will be completely EURABISED and USA by then will be so divide that we muslim will advance with no resistance just like today EUROPE did nit resist.
Bill Warner and the likes can write all tghey want. But let me assured you , all the hate writing about ISLAM and all WESTERN literature, music, lifestyles, education, food, medicine,science,etc….will be burn into the annals of trash under SHARIA LAW.
I would expect a rebuttal , like ..fat hope,no way, NEVER, christian will rise up..kafir will rise up..freedom previals..etc….I say again to you too…FAT HOPE, NO WAY ,NEVER…why ???
Becasue if what you said will come, it should already have come, why it doen not happen…BECAUASE ALLAH wills it. That is the greatest MIRACLE happen for humanity. We muslim have waited and waited since the gates of vienna… NOW ALLAH has finally reveal for us MUSLIM to be once again to take control of this entire world and IMPOSE sharia law. It is frightening to kafir, but WE MUSLIM loves it. Never will brutality, rape , murder, stoning, behaeding, torture,canning, chpping of hands and feet, pourinbg hot boiling oil on humanity -kafir, wantom killing ,etc..all that is deem uncivilised in SECULAR and WESTERN ideal BE DISALLOWED so long as the victim is a KAFIR.
Convert and be part of the great GENOCIDE against KAFIR.
You have 2 billion supporters…
Go now and say your sahadee…
David
The koran is a disjointed re-hash of extracts of the Torah and the Holy Bible. Followers wrote down what Mohamed said that the angel Gabriel said that God had said, If Allah is so all-powerful then why the need for this drawn out rigmarole. At the time of these so-called revelations Mohamed was in a trance, probably hashish-induced (Druggy ). Momamed had around 14 different partners/wives one of which was a girl called Aisha who he married when he was 53 and she was 6 years old. This so-called marriage was consummated when Aisha was just 9 years old. Here in the west we call that ‘paedophilia!’ which of course goes very well with the muslim practice of Female (Child ) Genital Mutilation. So carry on with your vile doctrine led by MOHAMED the PAEDOPHILE PROPHET. We know our enemies and will bomb them out of existence!
chris
I read in the Australian newspaper today of the staggering wealth of the Brisbane Catholic diocese ($30 mill cash in the bank, $22 mill annual profit, plus all its property – and its apparently not one of the big Catholic dioceses) and it has paid out about $700K net to victims of appalling sexual abuse over 20 years (their insurers have paid about twice that). Poor Roman Catholics. Their beloved institution is capable of such horror and trickery. In the same paper I read of an Iraqui cop who, knowing what is about to go down, gives a suicide bomber a cuddle and thereby saves dozens of lives at the cost of his own life ” leaving a wife and two children. Plenty of Christianity there, and no evil. Generalisations get us in the end, usually pretty quickly too, and then who looks the mug?
romit
Actually, sexual abuse has occurred and continues to occur at a background rate in every protestant sect and secular area in civilization. The Catholic Church is the only institution that has studied the phenomenon and taken such effort to correct it. That is why you hear about it in the media, in addition to the fact that we hold the Catholic Church (Christ’s Church) up to a higher standard than this or that protestant sect which began when someone woke up one day and decided to create a new religion.
Democracyistheanswer
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/islam-threat-to-christians-prince-charles-warns/story-fnb64oi6-1226785908838#
At last, someone in the UK is speaking out in defense of all the victims of POLITICAL ISLAM.
Thank you, Prince CHARLES!
Hurrah! Christians are being murdered by Moslems at the rate of 100,000 a year.
I don’t know the figures for all others, but it’s no doubt very high for Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Bahai’is and Jews.
Feynmangroupie
Sir,
You have not mentioned, perhaps intentionally, the most hypocritical of all of them: the atheist/agnostic/spiritualist. I am constantly disgusted by the never-ending bile directed towards Christians and Jews and the slavering coyness towards Islam. I am agnostic, but am filled with contempt by those who claim to despise religion and yet cowardly offer their necks. If the war with Islam comes to American shores, I have no doubt that the atheists will be the first to offer themselves as slaves and collaborators. As a combat veteran who served in Israel and Saudi Arabia, I have no reservations about where my loyalties lie.
OrdinaryGuy
Bill
More than any other thing that you’ve written – this post makes me cringe.
Why we do not recognize the violence and evil that is being shoved onto Christians all over the world is truly shocking.
Perhaps our success, our pursuit of good for our families, communities and nations have left us blind to others in far-flung corners of the globe. More likely though we’ve been simply overwhelmed and overtaken by the speed of changes we ourselves have created with new technologies.
The internet age has been firmly grasped by Islam and even the most casual searching will bring forth multitudinous volumes of information – to the point of overwhelming and defying any attempt to sort sense from falsehood and deception from truth.
Our media has not made your task easier – triviality, superficial thought and evasion of reality make it extremely easy to avoid the significant level of effort required to deeply understand belief systems. Any belief systems – even our own. It is not that we don’t go to church anymore – we don’t even see the astonishing debt we owe to the goodness, equality and fairness of the system it has nourished.
Education – that is the only way – Bill what you’ve done is in a sense similar to what Martin Luther did when he allowed Christians to understand their own beliefs. Your translations of the Koran, Sira, Hadith and Sharia should be put into the hands of as many as possible.
At the very least – any leader who considers the inclusion of any part of the Sharia into any part of a modern western democracy should be absolutely required to study your translations of the Trilogy and Sharia completely. The world view that they contain is so completely at odds with what we utterly take for granted as common sense and logic – that we are consistently blindsided and our leaders especially so – because the best and the brightest of the opponents are at their most convincing and sophisticated best when interacting with them.
No – in this case we need to support our leaders and lead them from below – the education has to start small and flow sideways to all of the regular people in all western democracies.
It really doesn’t matter if Islam can be moderate or if it can be reformed – so long as everyone understands it for what it is – only then will the correct decisions be made to help those who are being hurt by it
For myself – when those thugs invaded Westgate Mall – after years of not really noticing – I sat up.
More of us need to wake up – it is not easy to “educate” those who are busy and distracted – but somehow everyone needs to understand the world – all of it – because for better or worse — here it is — now and forever.
A few years ago we didn’t need to – but in the global village when the neighbours are being terrorized we must all make the effort to understand why and react appropriately. Only then will we have the courage and wisdom to act.
Segestan
More from the childish view of the pope…..http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.pdf
romit
Did you have a point you were trying to make?
XWPISONOMA
The link does not work anymore but YES the point Segestan is trying to make (but you chose to ignore) is that the Pope (yes that eccentric fellow living in Vatican and dressed in funny clothes) behaves in a childish way (puerile is the fancy word). Any more questions?
Tony Bamber
The attitude of most of the leaders of the non-muslim world reminds me of the attitude of the non-fascist world in the 1930’s. There are times when turning the other cheek is the way to promote the greater good however there are other times when it is necessary to take a whip to those who desecrate the temple of the Lord. You do God’s work Bill, keep it up.
Tony Bamber [Lancashire UK]
Robert Hand
Excellent article, my brother! I never cease to be amazed by the preferred ignorance of those who lie directly in the sights of Islam but choose to believe, against all existing logic, that they can “pretend it all away”. Any realistic use of logic and human rea.son clearly shows that, not only is Islam at war with us, but this didn’t start with the attacks of 9/11/01. The simple truth is that Islam declared war on the rest of humanity, not just us, with the very birth of this demonic religion. Their murderous pedophile “prophet” intended from the beginning of this evil farce, in the seventh century, that Islam be forced upon the rest of humanity by murderous force. I doubt that he could have possibly foreseen the birth of organized surrender by degree that we call political correctness today, but he certainly would have smiled, had that been possible. Only truth, widely and wisely distributed, provides any hope of respite for us. Thanks for being a messenger of that truth, and may G-d bless your efforts!
Bart Sullivan
Wow. It is time.
Bill Martin
Wow Bill! Let me be the first to say WELL SAID! I can’t tell you how many willfully ignorant Christians I talk to pastors being the worst because they should know. For crying out loud the Yale Covenant is a perfect example. I for one have been reenergized
Thank you,
Bill Martin
Dwight Upton
Matthew 24:3-14 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.