Recently the McCormick Foundation financed a seminar about the print media reporting about Islam. The seminar was held under the auspices of the journalism school at MTSU, a state university in Murfreesboro, TN. It is part of the Establishment program of constructing the fine details of Establishment Islam.
The lectures and workshops were lead by Muslims and supporters/apologists/defenders of Islam. The apologists and Muslims contend that the only other view of Islam is that of contemptible bigots, who are driven by the usual demons of hate and prejudice. So all the “good” people, the Muslims and their defenders, gave lectures on the beautiful truth of Islam and how to deal with the “bad” people who oppose Islam. The “good” people have the view that there is there the truth of Islam and the rest of the world is morally corrupt.
This division of the world into good and evil has its benefits, but it is too broad a brush in this case. There is another view of Islam besides the “good” Muslims and their apologists. To see this, go back 1400 years to Medina. In Mecca Mohammed had “proven” his divine status by claiming to be in the same lineage of prophets such as Moses and Noah. There were no Jews in Mecca and the story played well enough. Mecca was the home of “Islam, the religion of peace”.
However, in Medina the town was half Jewish, consisting of three tribes. The Jews of Medina told Mohammed that he was not a prophet and this shattered his foundation as a prophet. Mohammed’s attitude about Jews went from being a spiritual brother to that of an archenemy.
Two years later the last of the Jewish children were kidnapped and adopted as Muslims, the Jewish women were sold into slavery and 800 Jewish males were beheaded. Medina was Judenrein, cleansed of Jews.
What are we to make of this well-documented event and the fact that it is only one of over 70 events of assassination, executions, raids, tortures, enslavements, battles and brutalization of the Kafir (non-Muslim) Arabs around Mohammed? All of this is recorded in the Sira (Mohammed’s biography).
The Muslim’s point-of-view is about this vast suffering is that it was a triumph for Islam, a victory and cause for celebration.
The apologist’s point-of-view of this violence is: that was then, this is now. Christians have done worse. Let’s not be judgmental.
Then there is the third view, that of the Kafir victims of Islam. Mohammed led a nine-year rage of jihad against them. There were pagan Kafirs, Jewish Kafirs and Christian Kafirs, but they were all Kafirs who were annihilated. The cause of all of this suffering was an intellectual idea—Mohammed is the prophet of Allah and every person must declare this “truth” or be subjected to violence. The Kafirs were the victims of Islam, then and now.
The story of the jihad against the Kafirs is told in the Sira and the Hadith (the Traditions of Mohammed). No one was allowed the luxury of avoiding Islam. If you were in the neighborhood of Mohammed, then you had to be for him or suffer violence. After Mohammed had conquered all of Arabia, he died while in the next phase of jihad, the conquest of the Christians to the north of Arabia.
This brutal story is told with great vehemence and force. Mohammed and Allah rejoice at the suffering of the Kafirs. And who cares? The apologist agrees that the violent triumph of Islam over all neighbors was a wonderful success for humanity. The Kafirs are human garbage to be put into the disposal of jihad. Who cares about dead Kafirs? Who cares about the annihilation of native cultures?
Why is it that the history of the Native Americans, Blacks and other minorities can be told, but not the Kafirs? Why can those victims have a place in history, but the suffering to the Kafirs is denied? Why do they have no history? Why can’t the victims of jihad and their history be given a valid seat in the marketplace of ideas?
This denial of the suffering of Kafirs can be seen in how our history books are written. The rise of Islam is glorious, but the suffering of the Christians in Turkey, North Africa, the Middle East, the suffering of the Hindus in Pakistan, the suffering of the Buddhists in Afghanistan are all denied. The victims do not exist in our history. If you die at the hands of Islam, you are invisible to history.
Notice that those who have no compassion for the Kafirs in the story of Mohammed’s martial triumph of Islam don’t care about Islam’s victims today. Islam and its apologists don’t give a damn about the suffering today of Christians in Africa, Pakistan, Iraq, Egypt, the Sudan and on and on. Jewish apologists for Islam do not see the 1400 year old annihilation of the Jews in Arabia being connected to the jihad to annihilate Israel today.
There is another thing about the apologists for Islam. They never refer to Islam’s doctrines of jihad, ethical dualism, subjugation of women and the rest of the Sharia. Instead, they constantly refer to the opinions of Muslim “experts”. But, those who support the victims of Islam talk about the foundational experts–Allah and Mohammed. Once you know Allah (the Koran) and Mohammed (the Sira and the Hadith) you do not need opinions of experts. Why? If the expert agrees with Allah and Mohammed, the expert is right, but redundant. If the expert disagrees with Allah and Mohammed, then the expert is wrong. So who needs the experts’ opinions if you know the facts of Allah and Mohammed?
Why is it when the foundations and the journalism schools meet to talk about how to report about Islam, the victims of Islam have no voice? Why is justice served by denying the deaths of 270 million Kafirs in the Tears of Jihad? Why is it that those who recognize the suffering of the victims of Islam today and 1400 years ago are called bigots and contemptible? Why is it that those who asks for the victims’ story be told along side of the apologists and Muslims are said to be Islamophobic and Muslim-bashers? Why is it that those who know the doctrine of Allah and Mohammed are told they are ignorant and despicable?
There are three views of Islam. The victims’ view is as valid as the oppressor’s view or the apologist’s view. The truth of victims of Islam’s suffering must be told and heard. It is too bad that the foundations do not have the will to finance the complete truth about Islam, instead of the soothing lies told by the Muslim “experts” and their sycophant apologists.
For information about the victims of Islam, see the Bulletin of Christian Persecution and the Bulletin of the Oppression of Women.
Bill Warner, Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam
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48 Responses
Steffen Larsen
Unless I am very much mistaken the evident mark on El-Guindy’s forehead is evidence that he spends hours each day banging his head against the floor.
Perhaps this explains the long speeches.
Democracyistheanswer
El-Guindy,
Tell us the last verse in the Koran.
Richard
Asma Marwan – interesting.
He was born in 1943. Do you think by this time his brain would get too solidified to accommodate new ideas?
Interesting your name also. Asma bint Marwan was the poetess murdered by Muhammad because she composed poems against him.
“The story of her death by command of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, after she bitterly opposed him with poetry and provoked other pagans to commit violence against him, can be found in the sÄ«ra material collected by Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Sa’d”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/'Asma'_bint_Marwan
But Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy I note you did your PhD from the Faculty of Agriculture, Department of Genetics. Among the numerous errors that the Quran makes it also claims that everything is either male or female (13:3, 36:36, 43:12, 51:49).
It was unaware of asexual organisms, parthenogenetic organisms, or hermaphrodites.
Also supposedly being a man of science what you are doing claiming science in the Quran is totally unscientific.
There is a simple way to tell the difference between science and propaganda.
If scientists have a theory, they search diligently for data that might actually contradict their theory so that they test it rigorously or refine it.
If propagandists have a theory, they carefully select only the data that might agree with their theory and dutifully ignore any data or evidence that might contradict it.
Asma Marwan
A closer look at Dr. El Guindy
http://mohsenelguindy.com/about.html
VRM
The democratic world is taken over by politically correct, psuedosecular politicians and Journalists.For their short term petty gains they are ignoring the real threat i.e. political Islam. By doing so they are taking us towards the real show down, where a large number of lives will be lost for nothing.
Armed Infidel
El-Guindy and ebbtideflowing,
Got some good news for you two Muslims!
Senior Al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki was killed in Yemen early Friday morning by a CIA-led Joint Special Operations Command U.S. drone strike, marking the highest-profile takedown of a terror leader since the raid on Usama bin Laden’s compound. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com
You two guys must be very happy because al-Awlaki must have been one of the “radicals” who has “hijacked, twisted, and distorted your beautiful religion of peace, Islam,” right? You know, the “radicals” you are always telling Kafirs in your propaganda about!?
No big deal, al-Awlaki is now with his 72 virgins in Islamic Paradise, right? I’ll bet he will even get a cameo appearance meeting with the only God of the Universe – Allah. Wow, what a great deal for him!!!
VRM
A question for Dr. Guindy-
Suppose Dr. Guindy I take a loudspeaker, sit in front of a mosque and start screaming that these muslim’s are filthy, they are inferior than Dogs and Donkeys, they will burn in Hell for eternity because they don’t agree with what I tell them. What will the muslims do? I think you got it, So please answer this, I have many more and bring them one by one.
Richard
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy, and any other Muslims tuning in, just think for a minute – what is more probable
1. The story that Muhammad spun – that he was sent by the (alleged) creator of the Universe to the planet Earth to tell men to believe that his name is Allah and that Muhammad is his prophet, and that and if they do not believe that they will rot forever in eternal torture in “Hell” after they die, unless they are killed by the believers of this in the meantime, and that this Allah was jealous as hell if you believed in other gods, and angry as hell if you didn’t believe in any god
OR
2. Considering the vastness of the Universe, where the Earth would be infinitesimally smaller than a speck of sand on a beach, if there is such a mighty being, he wouldn’t give a rat’s ass whether some insignificant beings on some insignificant planet in some insignificant Galaxy believed in him or not. That the idea that he/she/it would feel threatened or jealous if you believed in some other Gods, or if there was no God, is ridiculous in the extreme.
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AND That Muhammad was a Narcissistic Megalomaniac. His symptoms coincide with what is known as “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders of the American Psychiatric Association.
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Such people according to the American Psychiatric Association
• have a grandiose sense of self-importance and need for admiration
• Are preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success and power
• Have unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
• They take advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends and lack empathy
• They are envious of others or believe that others are envious of him or her
• Show arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes
Muhammad showed all these qualities and modelled Allah after himself, and actually gave himself more powers than Allah – as an insult to him is punishable by death, whereas an insult to Allah is not.
Many Muslims then model themselves after this obnoxious personality and show obnoxious behaviour themselves.
No criticism or dissent is tolerated.
Here is what one ex-Muslim writes about the ridiculous 5 “prayers” a day of the Muslims:
“The 5 times a day prayers are a most mind numbing ritual for the simple reason that [the] little minority that practice it do not know what they are reciting even the ones who are familiar with Arabic.
The first Surah recited in that is Surah Fatihah in which the reciter is praying to Allah to send him on a straight path. That Surah is a prayer and therefore does not belong in Quran.
One of the many smaller Surahs which are often recited by Muslims in these prayers is 111. IT IS FULL OF CURSES.
The other small surahs are also meaningless and devoid of any piety and contain abstract verses.
No Muslim knows what they are reciting and the repetitive and incomprehensibleness of this forces the mind to wander to anything but Allah.
Multiply this boredom and also just imagine reciting Surah 33 and Surah 66 DETAILING MUHAMMAD’S SEX AFFAIRS DURING TRAVELS IN RAMADAN.”
Many “Muslims” in Muslim countries hate Islam but are afraid to openly declare so.
One poor blogger, Walid Husayin, a 26-year-old son of a Muslim scholar in the Palestine West Bank, was leading a double life, has got caught and now faces execution. Those that change their religion face death.
http://bidhitter.com/news/palestinian-held-for-facebook-criticism-of-islam/
Zainab Rashid, a liberal Palestinian commentator, wrote in an online opinion piece that Husayin has made an important point: “that CRITICIZING RELIGIOUS TEXTS FOR THEIR (INTELLECTUAL) WEAKNESS CAN ONLY BE COMBATTED BY ” OPPRESSION, PRISON AND EXECUTION.”
Richard
PS Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy:
“Ibn Kathir’s tafsir – Surah Baqara 2:255:
“In addition, Ad-Dahhak said that Ibn `Abbas said, “IF the seven heavens and the seven earths were flattened and laid side by side, they would add up to the size of a ring in a desert, compared to the Kursi.”
The above saying of Ibn Abbas clearly shows that the companions of Muhammad believed that the Earth was NOT flat.”
What!!?? How does that say the Earth was not flat?
Ibn Kathir’s tafsir says of Quran 79:30 “And after that He spread the earth” – Nothing about an ostrich egg or any hint of roundness – only flatness.
Ibn Kathir’s tafsir also says Quran 21:34 “Do they not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, i.e. in the beginning they were all one piece, attached to one another and piled up on top of one another, then He separated them from one another, and made the heavens seven and the earth seven, placing the air between the earth and the lowest heaven..”
I think not – Cosmology according to the Quran!! lol. And then I am supposed to quake with fear when it threatens me with eternal damnation for not believing that stupid stone-age drivel.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy “So, since we have to choose the correct meaning of the Arabic word “Dahaha” for today’s age, we see that the Quran describes the EXACT shape of the Earth, over 1,420 years ago, when people thought the Earth was flat.”
I fear for your intelligence Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy. You sound like a broken record stuck in a groove.
1. The Quran does NOT say the Earth is like an ostrich egg
2. The shape of an ostrich egg is NOT the “EXACT” shape of the Earth. Not even close.
Again eggs are prolate spheroids (narrow one end broad the other) the Earth is an oblate spheroid (very slightly) as it is very slightly bulging at the equator and flattened at the poles.
But if the Earth were reduced to the size of a billiard ball it would be rounder and smoother than a billiard ball.
So again Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy if the Quran wanted to say the Earth was spherical it could simply have said so.
Instead it says that he has spread it out (flat) leaving you and other liars to torture out some other meaning to cover up its error.
Richard
@ Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy “The Qur’an makes certain statements that led Muslim scientists to understand long before their European counterparts that the earth is spherical.”
What a shameless liar and fabricator you are Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy.
I have given you the translations of the most reputed Arabic scholars. Not one of them alludes to an “ostrich egg”!
What Muslim fools cant comprehend is – if the Quran wanted to say the Earth was spherical it could simply have said so! Arabic has a word for sphere. Not once does it do so, but repeatedly says it’s flat.
That the Earth was a sphere was common knowledge among early medieval Europeans. The Holy Roman Empire from as early as 395 AD used an orb to represent the spherical Earth!
“Flat-Earth models were in fact held at earlier (pre-medieval) times, before the spherical model became commonly accepted in Hellenistic astronomy. ..”
“there never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth&oldid=403735303
But what was commonly known to the educated Europeans centuries before Muhammad, was unknown to him and the ignorant Bedouin tribes he was among.
The very term “Muslim scientist” is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms. Like saying an intelligent idiot. You can either be intelligent or an idiot, not both.
Muslim “scientists”, (those that read the Quran and knew little else), were for 1400 years convinced that the Earth was flat ON THE BASIS OF THE QURAN!
For example Muslim “scientist” Sheik Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia from 1993 until his death in 1999, who knew Arabic and the Quran very well, wrote in 1966:
“THE HOLY QURAN, THE PROPHET’S TEACHING AND THE MAJORITY OF ISLAMIC SCIENTISTS PROVE…THAT THE SUN IS RUNNING IN ITS ORBIT AND…THAT THE EARTH IS FIXED AND STABLE”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Aziz_ibn_Abd_Allah_ibn_Baaz
Sheik Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz also issued a fatwa in 1993 saying “The Earth is flat. Whoever claims it is round is an atheist deserving of punishment.”
The most respected commentary on the Quran Tafsir Al Jalalayn says this about Quran verse 88:20 “..As for His words sutihat, ‘laid out flat’, this on a literal reading suggests that the earth is flat, which is the opinion of most of the scholars of the [revealed] Law, and not a sphere as astronomers (ahl al-hay’a) have it..”
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=88&tAyahNo=20&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2
Then in the late 1980’s, thousands of years after the ancient Greeks had deduced the Earth was spherical, 1600 hundred years after it was common knowledge in Europe, 500 years after Christopher Columbus had discovered America and Magellan had sailed around the world, decades after satellites had taken pictures of a spherical Earth and men had circled the Earth and landed on the Moon, some Muslim fabricators woke up to the inconvenient fact that, among numerous other scientific errors in the Quran, it also said that the Earth was FLAT!
Not only that but that the Sun was a relatively small object in the sky that circled the Earth and set at night, IN THE EARTH, in a muddy spring! (and rose in the morning from the Earth on the command of the almighty Allah!)
Quran 21:33 “It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its ROUNDED course.”
Quran 18:86 “Until, when HE REACHED THE SETTING OF THE SUN, HE FOUND IT SET IN A SPRING OF MURKY WATER:”
(Then this guy continued on and he came to the rising place of the Sun, where apparently there is eternal sunlight!)
Quran 18:90 “Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.”
Quran 36:38 “And THE SUN RUNS [ON COURSE] TOWARD ITS STOPPING POINT. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.” http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/36:38
“And the sun RUNNETH ON UNTO A RESTING-PLACE for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.” http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.pickthall/36:38
So the deceiving Muslims set about fabricating lies about “Islamic science” and “Islamic miracles”. One Abdul Majeed al-Zindani got the Saudi government’s largest charity, the Muslim World League, in 1984 to establish a “Commission on Scientific Signs in the Quran and Sunnah” where much of the fabrication was done.
Suddenly the Quran did not say the Earth was flat but instead round, and when it said that Allah “cleaved” the Earth from the heavens, instead of being overawed by the mighty power of Allah as the Bedouins of the 7th century were, this was evidence that the Quran was talking about the Big Bang.
Really laughable.
Of course some went about openly lying and falsifying on the internet.
At Wikipedia, Islam-related articles are severely compromised by Muslim editors.
In 2010 incident one editor “Jagged 85” was caught intentionally inserting false information into articles with over 67,000 edits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Jagged_85
“Jagged 85 is the main contributor to the many inaccurate Islam/Science/Golden Age articles which are still being copied and pasted all over the internet by Muslims, and more than 20% of Wikipedia’s “Timeline of historic inventions” was provided by him.
With contributions to over 8,100 separate articles, it is unlikely that all of Jagged 85’s edits will ever be fixed. And even if they were, these Wikipedia articles have already been reproduced all over the net by other sites which use Wikipedia as a source.”
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Richard
If there is so many converts from Islam to other religions as you presume, a matter which I doubt very much, this doesn’t exclude the fact that islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Speaking about America only, According to the latest statistics, 20,000 Americans embrace Islam each year. It is enough for you to see that you have already in the US 6-7 million Muslims, a number that is increasing steadily every year. The number of Muslims in the US surpassed that of the Jews who first came with the founders of America.
If there are converts from Islam to other religions, it is because that after they converted to Islam they were faced with the Islamic laws that impose piety by abstaining from what Allah prohibited and do what Allah allowed.
This kind of converts are usually not sincere. Maybe they liked the Islamic idea at first, but after a while they surrendered to the temptation of Satan who made them miss the easy and open life they used to live as exemplyfied by free sex without marriage, drinking wine, eating pork, and gambling. They couldn’t tolerate the five daily prayers, fasting in Ramdan, obligatory alms to the poor and so on. They missed the life of ease and debauchery they used to live in the so called free world. A life that is deteriorating their society and bringing the wrath of Allah over their heads. Allah and the angels have cursed the apostates and Allah has promised them an eternal life in hell.
Allah says in the Koran:
How shall Allah guide a people who have disbelieved after they believed, and bore witness that the Messenger is true, and the clear signs came to them?
Allah guides not the people of the evildoers.
Those their recompense is that they shall rest on them the curse of Allah and the angels and of men, altogether, therein dwellin forever; the chastisement shall not be lightened, for them; no respite shall be given them (Al-Imran, 86-88).
This conversion from Islam to other religions is not something to boast of, but to feel pity for a people who once embraced the true religion then reverted to other religions that invented false dogmas totally contradicting with what Allah said in the original Books.
These apostates converted from Islamic monotheism to polytheism, from worshipping the One and only God, Allah, to worshipping a man nailed on the cross, from true salvation based on good deeds and seeking forgiveness to vicarious atonement, from the fact that man is responsible for his own deeds and that no one would carry the load of another, to committing all the sins because Jesus atoned for their sins! From a man that has not inherited Adam’s sin because Adam was forgiven by Allah, to a man who inherited Adam’s sin and therefore was born a sinner! From no crucifixion to crucifixion etc..
The koran is a guidance to mankind that superceded its predecessors such as Torah and Gospels. Deserting it is a misfortune that would badly affect the deserter.
It should be well known that
there is no true religion on the earth except Islam. It is the only religion Allah sent all His Prophets and Messengers with since Adam until jesus, till Muhammad. But all the old religions were corrupted and their Books were adulterated.
Allah, The Most High, says in His Qur’an:
“So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them.” [Al-Qur’an 5:13]
“Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, ‘This is from Allah,’ To purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby.” [Al-Qur’an 2:79]
“And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongue (as they read), so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say, ‘This is from Allah’, but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it.” [Al-Qur’an 3:78]
The Koran then had to come as the final religion to all mankind. Muhammad with his inspired Koran revived the original Message of Allah – Islam.
Allah The Most High says:
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.” [Al-Qur’an 3:85].
The Koran is the last Book that was revealed by the Cherisher of the Worlds. It abrogated all the Books revealed by Allah before it, such as the Torah, the Psalms, and the Bible, and as such, no other Book is left by which Allah can be worshipped except the Qur’an.
Allah, The Most High, says:
“And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (the Qur’an) in truth, confirming the Scriptures that came before it, and trustworthy in highness and a witness over it (old scriptures). So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires.” [Al-Qur’an 5:48]
Accordingly, even whatever is considered as correct in these Books has been abrogated by Islam. The remaining parts are altered. This is proved by the following incident:
The Prophet got angry when he saw ‘Umar ibn Al-Khattab holding a sheet containing some verses from the Torah, and he said to him, “O ‘Umar! Are you in doubt? Have I not brought (the Message) as clear as white? If my brother Musa (Moses) were alive, he would have followed me.” Narrated by Ahmed, Ad-Daarimi and others.
Muhammad is the seal of all Prophets and Messengers. No other messenger is left to be followed except Muhammad. If any of Allah’s Prophets and Messengers had been alive, they too, along with their followers. would have followed Muhammad.
Allah, The Most High, says, “And (Remember) when Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets saying ‘Take whatever I gave you from the Book and Hikmah (understanding of the Laws of Allah etc.) and afterwards there will come to you a Messenger (Muhammad) confirming what is with you. You must then believe in him and help him.’ Allah said: ‘Do you agree (to it) and will you take up My covenant (which I conclude with you)?’ They said, ‘We agree’. He said, ‘Then bear witness; and I am with you among the witnesses (for this)” (Al-Qur’an 3:81).
In other words all the Prophets were to believe in Muhammad and help him if they reach his time.
When Jesus the Prophet of Allah, comes in a later time, he will follow Muhammad and rule according to Muhammad’s legislation (the Koran and the Sunna).
Allah, The Most High, says, “Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (Muhammad) whom they find written with them in the Taurah (Torah) [Deut. CVIII,15] and the Injeel [Gospel of John XIV,16]” [Al-Qur’an 7:157]
In addition, Muhammad was sent to all human beings:
Allah says:
“Say (O Muhammad) ‘O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all as a Messenger of Allah – to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, none has the right to be worshipped but He.” [Al-Qur’an 7:158].
So, the apostates you are happy about and proud of are in fact people astray who deviated from the right way. They incurred Allah’s wrath here and Hereafrter.
Allah says in His Last Testament to the world, the Noble Koran:
Surely those who disbelieve after they have believed and then increase in unbelief – their repentance shall not be accepted; those are the ones who stray.
Surely those who disbelieve, and die disbelieving, there shall not be accepted from anyone of them the whole earth full of gold, if he would ransom himself thereby; for them awaits a painful chastisement, and they shall have no helpers (Al-Imran 90, 91).
So Richard stretch your hands to the apostates and greet them, “Welcome to the club of the Fire.”
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Poor Richard
Your ignorance of the Arabic language and your scanty information about the Koran and the religion of Islam make you rave about things you don’t understand.
Read my words carefully haply you may understand.
Today we can look at a globe and know that the earth is somewhat like a ball, a sphere. The Qur’an makes certain statements that led Muslim scientists to understand long before their European counterparts that the earth is spherical.
When Europe was in the dark ages thinking that the earth was flat, Muslim students were using globes for studying the earth in Islamic universities.
Since it was not the purpose of the Qur’an to teach science, the Qur’an did not need to state explicitly that the earth is spherical in shape (or more precisely, a geoid. But some of what the Qur’an says stimulates you to think of the world as a globe.
Take, for example, the following verse: “Have you not seen how Allah merges the night into the day and merges the day into the night?” (Quran 31:29).
Another verse tells us that Allah coils the day and night around: “He coils the night upon the day and He coils the day upon the night” (Quran 39:5).
The word ‘coils’ in the verse above is a translation of the Arabic verb kawwara which is used in describing the action of coiling a turban around the head. To understand this statement fully, readers of the Qur’an had to think of the earth as a sphere.
To fully appreciate the above two statements in the Qur’an, try this experiment at home: You need a flashlight and a globe. Take these items into a dark room. Using the flashlight to simulate the light of the sun, shine the light upon the globe. Notice that only one half of the globe is lighted up. The other half is in darkness. Half the world is having day, the other half is having night. Now, recall that the earth is continuously rotating on its axis and will go around completely in twenty four hours. Slowly turn the globe around to simulate this rotation. Notice that as the globe turns, the day is going around the globe to light up the other half of the world. The night is also going around the globe to give rest to the other half of the world.
The day and night are perpetually coiling around the earth with some degree of interpenetration. This is exactly how it appears to astronauts during their space flights.
Dr. Bucaille makes the following remark: “This process of perpetual coiling, including the interpenetration of one sector by another, is expressed in the Qur’an just as if the concept of the earth’s roundness had already been conceived at the time”which was obviously not the case.” (The Bible, the Qur’an and Science, p. 165).
How do we explain the presence of this knowledge in the Qur’an? This obviously did not reflect the level of learning of the time, but was helpful in stimulating Muslim scientists to conceive of the earth in its real shape.
The Koran says:
This is no less than a reminder to (all) the worlds. And you shall certainly know the truth of it (all) after a while.(38:87-88).
So, this overlapping and coiling of the Night unto the Day and vice versa, is only possible if the shape of the earth is oblate spheroid/spherical, indicating that the Earth is spherical, according to Quran, which science has discovered not too long ago.
Moreover, the Quran says:
Surah Naziat 79:30: Ali Unal :
“And after that He has spread out the earth in the egg-shape (for habitability).”
Surah Naziat 79:30: Rashad Khalifah:
“He (Allah) made the earth egg-shaped.”
Surah Naziat 79:30: Syed Vickar Ahamed
“And more, He has extended the earth (far and wide also in the shape of an egg).”
Surah Naziat 79:30: QXP – Shabbir Ahmed:
“And after that He made the earth shoot out from the Cosmic Nebula and made it spread out egg-shaped. (‘Dahaha’ entails all the meanings rendered (21:30), (41:11)).”
Surah Naziat 79:30: Yahiya Emerick:
“He shaped the earth as an egg after that.”
The Arabic word used for “earth” in this verse is “ard” which has the following meanings: earth, underworld, land, ground, grounds, soil, globe.
The Arabic word used in this verse is “Dahaha” which one of the meanings is “egg-shaped.” It also comes from the root word “daha” and has got many translations, and some are: “expanded,” or “stretched out,” or “wide expanse.” It also means “egg-shaped.” The Arabic word “Dahaha,” also comes from the root “Dhuya,” which means “egg shaped,” and refers to the shape of an Ostrich egg.
Koran.Izlam.net dictionary/exegesis:
“The ground, its territory and egg ostrich shape.”
Mohit Dictionary (By al-Firuzabadi):
“The egg of the ostrich `in the sand.”
Lisan Arab Lexicon:
“Expanded it to an ostrich egg.”
Source:
http://koran.iszlam.net/program.php?lang=English&csize=248.
Moreover, let us read what a scholar of the name of: Muhammad Mohar Ali says about this Arabic word:
The Qur’an and the Orientalists, Pg.75:
“Now, the very first expression in the series, dahaha, is noticeably distinctive and different in genre from the rest. Watt, following many other previous translators, renders it as “spread out”. But the exact and correct meaning of the term, keeping in view its root, rather provides a very positive Qur’anic evidence in support of the spherical shape of the earth. For daha means to “shape like an egg”, its noun being dahiyah, which the Arabs still use to mean an egg.”
The correct translation is the above ones, which translates the word “Dahaha” as: “egg-shaped.” Others translate of the word “Dahaha” as “expanse,” or “stretched.” Skeptics will wrongly use translations like “wide expanse,” to try and prove it that Quran means earth is flat. These translations (“expanse,” or “stretched.”) talk about the land (crust) not the globe. The reason why, is because the term “ard” can also means “land or ground.” Translations like “wide-expanse,” ONLY describe the land, NOT specifically the shape or globe which does not prove the Earth is being described as flat.
Hence, if you translate the Arabic term “dahaha” as “expanse, expanded,” or “stretched,” then the correct translation of “ard” should be “land/ground.” This would mean the verse is saying the land has been stretched out/expanded out, which is scientifically true. Refer to this article. The most scientific way to translate Surah Nazi at 79:30 (in this age of science and technology) is to translate “ard” as “globe/earth,” and “dahaha” as “egg-shaped.” This would mean the verse is saying the globe has been made egg-shaped which is scientifically true.
Others skeptics will claim that the Arabic word “Dahaha,” from the root “daha” also means “flatness” . From this, they will make an allegation that this verse means the globe is flat. This Arabic word has MORE than one meaning, and you have to choose the correct meaning. Not all meanings of a word will be correct in every sentence, and this is common in every language. For example: supposed someone tells me: “I have a pig as a pet.” If you go to Dictionary.com and Oxford Dictionary, one of the meanings of “pig” is “police officer”. So, if I chose the wrong meaning to the word “pig,” it would read: “I have a police officer as a pet.” When the person says: “I have a pig as a pet,” it does NOT mean “I have a police officer as a pet.” So, this was just an example showing you that you have to choose the correct meaning.
Again, the correct meaning for “Dahaha” which comes from the root word “daha” is “egg-shaped. Moreover, “Dahaha,” also comes from the root “Dhuya,” which means “egg shaped,” and refers to the shape of an Ostrich. . This is the correct meaning here, which specifically describes the shape of the Earth. Other translators who have translated as “wide expanse, extended, stretched,” describe the land of the Earth, as the Arabic word “ard” also means “land,” but these translations don’t describe the shape of the Earth. Today, scientific established facts inform us that the Earth is the shape of an egg and today, the shape of the Earth is very similar to the shape of an Ostrich.
Furthur proof that early Muslims did NOT believe the Earth to be flat:
Ibn Kathir’s tafsir – Surah Baqara 2:255:
“In addition, Ad-Dahhak said that Ibn `Abbas said, “IF the seven heavens and the seven earths were flattened and laid side by side, they would add up to the size of a ring in a desert, compared to the Kursi.”
The above saying of Ibn Abbas clearly shows that the companions of Muhammad believed that the Earth was NOT flat.
So, since we have to choose the correct meaning of the Arabic word “Dahaha” for today’s age, we see that the Quran describes the EXACT shape of the Earth, over 1,420 years ago, when people thought the Earth was flat. This once again proves that Quran is a divine revelation because no-one 1,420+ years ago would have thought that the Earth was the EXACT shape which we now know it. Thus, this proves Quran is in perfect harmony with established science.
Armed Infidel
El-Guindy and ebbtideflowing,
You both wake up tomorrow morning and this is what you see announced all over the world by all Western nations:
“Effective immediately, all Muslims residing in any Western country must either convert to Christianity, pay jizya and assume inferior status, or die.”
So do either of you two Muslim morons have any thoughts on how your life is going to change? Sounds like a pretty good deal, eh? Why not, it is what Muslims have been doing to Christians all over the world for over 1400 years.
Any thoughts or comments?
Armed Infidel
El-Guindy and ebbtideflowing,
What are your thoughts on this Iranian apostate who may be killed as early as this Wednesday for holding a Christian faith?
“An Iranian pastor who has refused to recant his Christian faith now faces execution as early as Wednesday after his sentence was upheld by an Iranian court. Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani, a 34-year-old man who maintains he has never been a Muslim as an adult, has Islamic ancestry and therefore must recant his faith in Jesus Christ, the 11th branch of Iran’s Gilan Provincial Court determined. Iran’s supreme court has previously ruled that the trial court determine if Nadarkhani had been a Muslim prior to converting to Christianity.” Read more: http://www.foxnews.com
gemo
Can somebody please explain what is happening here. I have made posts, checked that they have in fact been posted but when I come back to the site they are not there. Is somebody editing and removing? I notice someone else has had the same difficulty. If this is the case, under what circumstances are items are allowed or not allowed?
gemo
I have been asking for an answer and this is what I have been given:
ONLY A LIAR WILL PROCLAIM HIMSELF BIGGER THAN THE TRUTH.
The entire koran, and all such as yourself, are possobly the biggest lie that there has ever been told in this world. That is why it is ONLY what the koran and old mo says that, to you, has any significance.
gemo
The first point I made is that you are totally incapable of understanding either logic or reason although you refer to both of these. You state that there is freedom of religion in isalm. You do not even attempt to answer this. Let me state beyond any shadow of doubt, as is evidenced by daily events all over the muslim world, THERE IS NO, REPEAT, NO FREEDOM OF RELIGION IN ISLAM, as is evidenced by the koran and the following, which is taking place right while we are having these exchanges, and all this in spite of it contradicting the laws of the country and internationally signed agreements;
By Stefan J. Bos, Worthy News Correspondent
Pastor Yousef Nadarkhani faced death penalty for “apostasy”.
RASHT, IRAN (Worthy News)- A young pastor of Iran’s largest house church movement has told an Iranian court he will not “recant” his faith in Christ despite facing execution as early as Thursday, September 29, for abandoning Islam, church sources said.
Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani of the Church of Iran was asked by the Gilan provincial court in the city of Rasht to “repent” ahead of his next hearing Tuesday, September 27. However Nadarkhani declined, according to comments obtained by BosNewsLife.
“Repent means to return. What should I return to? To the blasphemy that I had before my faith in Christ?,” the 34-year-old church leader asked during his first hearing Sunday, September 25.
When the court told him to return “to the religion of your ancestors, Islam” Nadarkhani replied: “I can not.”
The Court said however that Youcef Nadarkhani, whose first name is also spelled as Yousef, has “Islamic ancestry” and therefore “must recant his faith in Jesus Christ,” trial observers said.
NADARKHANI “HAPPY”
Yet, fellow Christians following the trial described Youcef Nadarkhani as “being happy [with] his faith strong.”
Sources within the Church of Iran said however they fear Nadarkhani may be hanged as early as Thursday, September 29, following the further two days of court hearings.
Though Nadarkhani’s supporters were told the case will be send back to Iran’s Supreme Court, they fear the provincial court will use a law, temporarily ratified by parliament, “to execute him as soon as Thursday,” September 29, explained advocacy group Present Truth Ministries (PTM). “This law dictates what should be done with apostates, depending on what type of apostasy has been committed,” said PTM Director Jason DeMars, who closely follows the case. “My sources tell me that [the court has been told] to give the ‘apostate’ three days to recant, then execute him,” he told BosNewsLife .
LEGISLATION EXPLAINED
Section 6 – 225 of Iran’s controversial legislation says “when a person’s parents were Muslims at the moment they were trying to have a baby, and he or she converts to another religious without claiming to be Muslim, he or she is a national apostate,” DeMars added.
“Section 8 – 225 also states the procedure for handling a national apostate, explained DeMars. “The death sentence is the penalty for National apostate, but after the verdict is pronounced, he or she will be commanded to repent of what he or she has done”If he refuses to repent, he will be killed.”
Pastor Yousef Nadarkhani, who is married with two children, was detained in his home city of Rasht in October 2009 while attempting to register his church.
His arrest is believed to have been due to his questioning of the Muslim monopoly on the religious instruction of children in Iran, rights activists say.
APOSTASY CHARGE
He was initially charged with protesting, but charges against him were later changed to “apostasy” and “evangelizing Muslims” which carry the death sentence.
Nadarkhani was tried and found guilty of “apostasy”, or abandoning Islam, in September 2010 and sentenced to death by the court in the city of Rasht.
In June this year the Supreme Court of Iran upheld Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani’s death sentence, but asked the lower court in Rasht, which issued the initial sentence, to “re-examine” whether or not he had been a practicing Muslim adult prior to converting to Christianity.
The written verdict of the Supreme Court’s decision included provision for annulment of the death sentence if Pastor Nadarkhani recanted his faith, trial observers said.
MUSLIM ANCESTRY
Although the court found that Pastor Nadarkhani was not a practicing Muslim adult, the court said he remains guilty of apostasy because he has Muslim ancestry.
Nadarkhani’s lawyer, Mohammed Ali Dadkhah, told the court that the repeated demand for his client to recant his Christian faith violates Iranian law and its constitution.
The court reportedly replied that the verdict of the Supreme Court must be applied, regardless of the illegality of the demand.
Religious rights group Christian Solidarity Worldwide (CSW) told BosNewsLife that the death sentence for apostasy is not “codified” in the Iranian Penal Code.
USING “LOOPHOLE”
“However, using a loophole in Iran’s constitution, the judges in Rasht based their original verdict on fatwas by Ayatollahs Khomeini, the “father” of Iran’s revolution in 1979,” CSW said. Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, made the fatwas with Makarem Shirazi, currently the most influential religious leader in Iran.
If confirmed, Nadarkhani would be the first Christian to be officially executed in Iran for religious reasons in 20 years.
The last Iranian Christian convert from Islam executed by the Iranian government was Assemblies of God Pastor Hossein Soodmand in 1990.
However several other Christians, including at least six Protestant pastors, are known to have been assassinated by unknown killers in recent years, BosNewsLife established.
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY
“CSW is calling on key members of the international community to urgently raise Pastor Nadarkhani’s case with the Iranian authorities,” said CSW’s Special Ambassador Stuart Windsor.
“His life depends on it, and we have grave concerns regarding due process in this case, and also in that of his lawyer, Mr Dadkhah,” Windsor explained.
The CSW official said the verdict handed down to Pastor Nadarkhani “is in violation of the international covenants to which Iran is a signatory, including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICPPR),” which guarantees freedom of religion and freedom to change one’s religion.
Windsor also said the trial against Youcef Nadarkhani violates article 23 of the Iranian Constitution which reportedly states that “no-one should be molested or taken to task simply for holding a certain belief.”
Iranian officials have denied wrongdoing, saying they defend “Islamic values” in the strict Islamic country.
Church officials say there may be as many as 100,000 devoted Christians in the country and that Iran’s leadership is concerned about the spread of Christianity.
gemo
el Windy
The next popint is that you use the Bible, which you again have stated has been corrupted, to prove your own point. Just reading the latest diatribe again, you again, as you do every time, contradict yourself with your own information. I do not hold a doctorate, but even with my simple mind, you do not make sense in any way at all. All you want to do is to churn out all the same old stuff, over and over again, in spite of others saying exactly the same thing about you also. Is there nothing that gets through to that thick head of yours?
gemo
el Windy,
firstly let me say that you are unable to understand either reason or logic, in spite of the fact that you refer to these. You clearly have a mind that is so confused and bigoted that all you can do is repeat the same thing over and over again, no matter what anyone says or how relevant it is to any questions posted.
My first point was, you say there is freedom of choice in islam. You do not even attempt to answer this. Of course all the daily evidence around the world refutes this absolutely.Let me state it very clearly; THERE IS NO, REPEAT, NO FREEDOM OF CHOICE in islam. Here is something that is taking place right as we are having these exchanges, and that in spite of signed international conventions, and even the law of the country. isalm just overrides it all.
By Stefan J. Bos, Worthy News Correspondent
Pastor Yousef Nadarkhani faced death penalty for “apostasy”.
RASHT, IRAN (Worthy News)- A young pastor of Iran’s largest house church movement has told an Iranian court he will not “recant” his faith in Christ despite facing execution as early as Thursday, September 29, for abandoning Islam, church sources said.
Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani of the Church of Iran was asked by the Gilan provincial court in the city of Rasht to “repent” ahead of his next hearing Tuesday, September 27. However Nadarkhani declined, according to comments obtained by BosNewsLife.
“Repent means to return. What should I return to? To the blasphemy that I had before my faith in Christ?,” the 34-year-old church leader asked during his first hearing Sunday, September 25.
When the court told him to return “to the religion of your ancestors, Islam” Nadarkhani replied: “I can not.”
The Court said however that Youcef Nadarkhani, whose first name is also spelled as Yousef, has “Islamic ancestry” and therefore “must recant his faith in Jesus Christ,” trial observers said.
NADARKHANI “HAPPY”
Yet, fellow Christians following the trial described Youcef Nadarkhani as “being happy [with] his faith strong.”
Sources within the Church of Iran said however they fear Nadarkhani may be hanged as early as Thursday, September 29, following the further two days of court hearings.
Though Nadarkhani’s supporters were told the case will be send back to Iran’s Supreme Court, they fear the provincial court will use a law, temporarily ratified by parliament, “to execute him as soon as Thursday,” September 29, explained advocacy group Present Truth Ministries (PTM). “This law dictates what should be done with apostates, depending on what type of apostasy has been committed,” said PTM Director Jason DeMars, who closely follows the case. “My sources tell me that [the court has been told] to give the ‘apostate’ three days to recant, then execute him,” he told BosNewsLife .
LEGISLATION EXPLAINED
Section 6 – 225 of Iran’s controversial legislation says “when a person’s parents were Muslims at the moment they were trying to have a baby, and he or she converts to another religious without claiming to be Muslim, he or she is a national apostate,” DeMars added.
“Section 8 – 225 also states the procedure for handling a national apostate, explained DeMars. “The death sentence is the penalty for National apostate, but after the verdict is pronounced, he or she will be commanded to repent of what he or she has done”If he refuses to repent, he will be killed.”
Pastor Yousef Nadarkhani, who is married with two children, was detained in his home city of Rasht in October 2009 while attempting to register his church.
His arrest is believed to have been due to his questioning of the Muslim monopoly on the religious instruction of children in Iran, rights activists say.
APOSTASY CHARGE
He was initially charged with protesting, but charges against him were later changed to “apostasy” and “evangelizing Muslims” which carry the death sentence.
Nadarkhani was tried and found guilty of “apostasy”, or abandoning Islam, in September 2010 and sentenced to death by the court in the city of Rasht.
In June this year the Supreme Court of Iran upheld Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani’s death sentence, but asked the lower court in Rasht, which issued the initial sentence, to “re-examine” whether or not he had been a practicing Muslim adult prior to converting to Christianity.
The written verdict of the Supreme Court’s decision included provision for annulment of the death sentence if Pastor Nadarkhani recanted his faith, trial observers said.
MUSLIM ANCESTRY
Although the court found that Pastor Nadarkhani was not a practicing Muslim adult, the court said he remains guilty of apostasy because he has Muslim ancestry.
Nadarkhani’s lawyer, Mohammed Ali Dadkhah, told the court that the repeated demand for his client to recant his Christian faith violates Iranian law and its constitution.
The court reportedly replied that the verdict of the Supreme Court must be applied, regardless of the illegality of the demand.
Religious rights group Christian Solidarity Worldwide (CSW) told BosNewsLife that the death sentence for apostasy is not “codified” in the Iranian Penal Code.
USING “LOOPHOLE”
“However, using a loophole in Iran’s constitution, the judges in Rasht based their original verdict on fatwas by Ayatollahs Khomeini, the “father” of Iran’s revolution in 1979,” CSW said. Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, made the fatwas with Makarem Shirazi, currently the most influential religious leader in Iran.
If confirmed, Nadarkhani would be the first Christian to be officially executed in Iran for religious reasons in 20 years.
The last Iranian Christian convert from Islam executed by the Iranian government was Assemblies of God Pastor Hossein Soodmand in 1990.
However several other Christians, including at least six Protestant pastors, are known to have been assassinated by unknown killers in recent years, BosNewsLife established.
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY
“CSW is calling on key members of the international community to urgently raise Pastor Nadarkhani’s case with the Iranian authorities,” said CSW’s Special Ambassador Stuart Windsor.
“His life depends on it, and we have grave concerns regarding due process in this case, and also in that of his lawyer, Mr Dadkhah,” Windsor explained.
The CSW official said the verdict handed down to Pastor Nadarkhani “is in violation of the international covenants to which Iran is a signatory, including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICPPR),” which guarantees freedom of religion and freedom to change one’s religion.
Windsor also said the trial against Youcef Nadarkhani violates article 23 of the Iranian Constitution which reportedly states that “no-one should be molested or taken to task simply for holding a certain belief.”
Iranian officials have denied wrongdoing, saying they defend “Islamic values” in the strict Islamic country.
Church officials say there may be as many as 100,000 devoted Christians in the country and that Iran’s leadership is concerned about the spread of Christianity.
Armed Infidel
El-Guindy,
You wrote to Gemo:
“So Mr. Gemo, read my words again carefully in order to realize that your comment “What a confused man you are” is nothing but a hasty remark that you shouldn’t have said if you have the correct information.”
Gemo’s remarks to you were “hasty” based upon “incorrect” information? Is that right? So you are the one with the “correct” information? Are you referring to all of the Islamic bullshit you have been allowed to spew on Mr. Warner’s website?? And you actually believe that you have the “correct” information? Really? Then you are the one who is not only confused Muslim, but you have been suckered into believing a work of fiction!! The joke is on you El-Guindy!
When are you going to respond to the earlier questions that I posed to you specifically? Can’t handle dealing with the truth?
Armed Infidel
El-Guindy and ebbtideflowing,
Any reason why you two cant’ seem to summon up the courage to answer my questions about Islam honestly? Perhaps the truth about your totalitarian ideology of hatred is a little too much for you two Muslim propagandists to respond too?! I’m still waiting…
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Gemo
It is a great waste when the Christian scholars judge the Koran – the literal word of Allah and the one unified Book throughout the ages according to their several altered and inconsistent bibles. Simple scientific approach compels healthy minds to use the one unified and unchangeable Book, the Koran, as a reference and not the opposite.
Relying on the Koran to reform, amend and correct Christianity in no way means rejection of the Bible, on the contrary, the Koran clears the name of Jesus from false teachings attributed to him against his will by later Christians.
Muhammad came to the Jews and Christians to make clear to them the facts they concealed in their scriptures, and to help them abandon imagination which is always at war with reason so that they cannot later on claim innocence before Allah and say: “No one came to us in the capacity of spectacle and a warning.”
The religion of all true and sincere men of faith should be one, and that is the ideal of Islam.
The Jews violated the laws of the Torah to serve their worldly interests. A sect of the Jews called Ozair (Ezra) who allegedly dictated from memory the whole Jewish law which was lost during captivity, a son of Allah. They considered him as fully worthy to have been the law giver if Moses did not precede him.
Christianity has digressed from the concept of the Oneness of Allah into a vague and mysterious doctrine that was formulated during the fourth century. The Christians invented the concept of trinity, thus associating with Allah other partners. In this they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. The Christians further considered Jesus as their lord, yet they were commanded to worship but Allah alone. The Jews and the Christians also took their rabbis and their monks as their lords in derogation of Allah.
The false claim that Allah has begotten a son is considered in Islam as an unforgivable sin. The Koran teaches that never shall Allah forgive setting up partners in worship with Him but less than that He forgives to whomsoever He will. In this regard, Muslim’s refutation of Christian teachings is not based on personal whim or malice. Muslims are simply stating Allah’s judgment on the matter – whoever ascribes partners to Allah has rejected faith.
Believing in the Oneness of Allah and worshipping Him alone without associating with Him any partners is the core and essence of sound belief. Muhammad came to the Jews and the Christians to explain to them most of the matters in which they differ. He came to warn against the breaching of the Covenant of the Jews and the Christians with Allah, and to re-establish the Oneness of Allah on earth.
Allah is One, and His Message cannot come at one place or at one time to contradict His Message in another place or at another time in spirit.
The Koran is only one Book, It has no author but the Creator, Allah. We don’t have a Koran with Muhammad’s name on it as the author. Why? Because Muhammad was iliiterate, he doesn’t read or write. This was the miracle, a heavy Message like the koran descends upon an illiterate Arab in order to be promulgated to the whole world, and the result is 1 billion and 500 million adherents inhabiting the four corners of the world. Moreover, hundreds of thousands of non-Muslims embrace Islam every year after they read the Koran and Allah guides them to the truth.
In addition to the Koran, several eminent Christian scholars researched the Bibles and came to the conclusion that they have been changed by additions and curtailments throughout the ages. You don’t have a bible written by Jesus but by Luke, Paul, John etc., each is different from the other.
Your Christian scholars admitted after they researched the different bibles that only 25% of what is there in the bibles belongs to Jesus while the rest (75%) belongs to the authors of these bibles.
The Gospel of Jesus mentioned in the Koran is certainly not the New Testament, and is not the four Gospels, as now received by the church, but an origimal Gospel which was promulgated by Jesus. Fragments of it survived in the received canonical Gospels and in some others, of which traces survive (e.g., the Gospel of childhood, the Gospel of St. Barnabas, etc.).
Muslims are therefore right in respecting the present Bible (New Testament and Old Testament), and in some instances to even refer to it, though they reject the peculiar doctrines taught by orthodox Christianity or Judaism.
As I said before, the Koran confirms the scriptures that came before it and safeguards the Torah of Moses and the Bible of Jesus for it has preserved within it the authentic teachings of the former Books. It watches over these Books in the sense that it will not let the true teachings of the Torah and the Gospel to be lost. It stands as a witness because it bears testimony to the Word of Allah contained in these Books, and helps to sort it out from the interpretations and commentaries of the people which were mixed with it: what is confirmed by the Koran is the Word of Allah and what is against it is that of the people. The Koran testifies the truth that is in the former Books and falsifies the falsehood that was added to these Books.
Therefore, although the Koran is attacked and belied everyday by Christians, you will never find one Muslim burning or defiling the Old or New testaments, because and as based on the above, nearly 25% of Allah’s words are still included in the prersent Books. Also, the Koran mentioned the authentic Torah of Moses and the authentic Gospel of Jesus with utmost respect.
Christians must struggle to reach a well defined goal: “Allah is only One and none is worthy of being worshipped but Him alone.” They must gather not to produce other mysterious doctrines, but rather to put the true words of Jesus into effect:
“The first of all commandments is: hear, o Israel, the lord, our god, the lord is one.” (Mark 12: 29).
“There is one God” (Romans 3: 3oa).
“God is one” (Galatians 3: 20b).
“Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.” (Mathew 4:10).
This strict oneness of Allah jesus proclaimed to the Children of Israel, has turned in the adulterated gospels into the peculiar dogmas: trinity, vicarious atonement, original sin and cricifixion. This shows how far adulteration in the original Message of Jesus had been adulterated.
I can give you hundreds of references regarding the views of Cristian scholars, apologetics and researchers stating that the present Bibles had been corrupted, thus confirming the verses of the Koran in this subject. But I will leave this for you to research.
So Mr. Gemo, read my words again carefully in order to realize that your comment “What a confused man you are” is nothing but a hasty remark that you shouldn’t have said if you have the correct information.
Armed Infidel
“Ebbtideflowing,
While I’m still waiting for your Muslim “brother” El-Guindy to summon up the courage to share his thoughts to ‘enlighten me’ about the following mainstream areas of Islam, perhaps you would like to answer these questions?
1. Who was responsible for the attacks of 9/11 against America?
2. Do you agree with Islamic Sharia-compliant Mu’ta Marriages (Sharia-approved adultery)?
3. Do you feel it is appropriate for Muslim men to throw acid in the faces of Muslim women for not following Muslim dress codes?
4. Are you willing to denounce Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas as terrorist organizations?
5. Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Muslim Brotherhood?
6. Do you support the destruction of the American Constitution and its replacement by Islamic Sharia Law?
7. Do you feel it is appropriate for Muslim men to marry and have sex with little girls as young 6-9 years old, as did your Prophet Muhammad?
8. Do you approve of sex with little girls as young as 2-3 years old, so long as there is no penetration?
9. Do you approve of wife beating?”
Armed Infidel
“El-Guindy,
I’m still waiting for you to find some time to share your thoughts to ‘enlighten me’ about the following mainstream areas of Islam:
1. Who was responsible for the attacks of 9/11 against America?
2. Do you agree with Islamic Sharia-compliant Mu’ta Marriages (Sharia-approved adultery)?
3. Do you feel it is appropriate for Muslim men to throw acid in the faces of Muslim women for not following Muslim dress codes?
4. And whether you are willing to denounce Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas as terrorist organizations?
5. Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Muslim Brotherhood?
6. Do you support the destruction of the American Constitution and have it replaced by Islamic Sharia Law?
7. Do you feel it is appropriate for Muslim men to marry and have sex with little girls as young 6-9 years old, as did your Prophet Muhammad?
8. Do you approve of sex with little girls as young as 2-3 years old, so long as there is no penetration?
9. Do you approved of beating your wife?”
Richard
Translations of Quran verse 79:30:
Sahih International:
“And after that He spread the earth.”
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/79:30
Ahmad Ali:
” And afterwards spread out the earth.”
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.ahmedali/79:30
Arberry:
“and the earth-after that He spread it out,”
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.arberry/79:30
Pickthall:
“And after that He spread the earth,”
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.pickthall/79:30
Ysuf Ali:
“And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);”
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.yusufali/79:30
Stop Lying Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy.
Many people since the Ancient Greeks knew that the Earth was round.
Surely if the Quran was a word for word dictation from God, it would also agree with this fact that was known throughout the world before its “revelation”, and it would surely contradict the flat earth model widely believed in by the 7th century Bedouins of Arabia?
Dont you think so you deceiving lying fellow?
Richard
In all your rambling, lying post you have NOT refuted that the Quran, fabricated by Muhammad, claims that Jews believe Ezra is the son of Allah, whereas Jews believe no such thing.
Also your attempt at refutation that the Quran says the Earth is flat and the Sun moves around the Earth and sets in a muddy spring at night is truly pathetic.
There is not only one verse which refers to the Earth being flat but no less than 8. Qur’an 15:19, Qur’an 20:53, Qur’an 43:10, Qur’an 50:7, Qur’an 51:48, Qur’an 71:19, Qur’an 78:6, Qur’an 79:30
Qur’an 79:30 does NOT say the earth is egg shaped you liar. In fact it says its flat. You know that jolly well as you are an Arabic speaker!
The verse literally translates thus:
“And the Earth after that He blew and stretched/ spread it”
PS since you do not seem to know science the egg of an ostrich is NOT geospherical in shape, and moreover “geospherical” is NOT exactly like the shape of the earth!
The shape of the Earth is oblate spheroid, (flattened at the poles very slightly) the shape of an Ostrich Egg is prolate spheroid (narrow at one end and broad the other)
“Duhiya” is a noun derived from “da-ha-wa”, the same root that the verb “dahaha” comes from. Furthermore, Duhiya does not even mean the egg of an ostrich but the nest of an Ostrich. The Ostrich lays its egg in the sand then spreads it out flat to fool predators.
Every Arabic translator translated that verse to mean he spread it out flat, till the Muslim liars came along to try and manipulate its meaning to something else.
Moreover that is not the only thing. The Quran also says that the Sun sets at night in a muddy spring and rises in the morning on a people in eternal sunlight.
There are literally hundreds of mistakes and falsehoods in the Quran. In Science, history, maths and logic.
Richard
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy “Millions of non-Muslims including priests and pastors enter Islam every year and not the opposite. Islam is the fastest growing religion to day, and you know it. You certainly forges the facts”
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy actually it is Muslims who SYSTEMATICALLY forge the facts and lie.
The most important fact to remember is that TRUTH IS NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH BELIEF. So your purpose in making this (false) claim is again to substitute belief for argument and logic, in which you have been soundly trounced.
Statistics for rates of conversion specially for Islam are the least reliable as they are distorted by the BAN ON APOSTASY IN ISLAM and the obvious dangers of leaving Islam in Islamic countries.
According to the World Christian Encyclopaedia, between 1990 and 2000, Islam received around 865,558 converts each year. This compares with an approximate 2,883,011 converts each year for Christianity during the same period.
According to “The Future of the Global Muslim Population,” published in January 2011 by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, the growth and anticipated future growth of Islam is primarily due to “their relatively high birth rate, the large number of Muslims of childbearing age, and an increase in life expectancy in Muslim-majority countries” and conversions play little part in the increase due to available data suggesting “Islam loses as many adherents via conversion as it gains.”
The US has the most reliable statistics on religion
From the ARIS polls, 1990 and 2000, percent of change:
Rank Name Change
1 Deity (Deist) +717%
2 Sikhism +338%
3 New Age +240%
4 Hinduism +237%
5 Baha’i +200%
6 Buddhism +170%
7 Native American Religion +119%
8 Nonreligious/Secular +110%
9 Islam +109%
The American Religious Identification Survey gave Non-Religious groups the largest gain in terms of absolute numbers – 14,300,000 (8.4% of the population) to 29,400,000 (14.1% of the population) for the period 1990 to 2001 in the USA. Also, Americans with no religion were the fastest growing segment from 2001 to 2008.
According to the Cultural Orientation Resource Center, a massive 60% of all refugees admitted into the United States are from Muslim countries.
Thus THE OVERWHELMING CAUSE OF INCREASE OF ISLAM IN THE US (AND OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES) is due to IMMIGRATION. Muslims fleeing their failed states for a better life in the west (and bringing their regressive ideology with them).
Muslims advertise news of non-Muslims converting to Islam, but they dont inform you of Muslims leaving Islam. There are more Muslims leaving Islam today than there are new converts joining it. According to research carried out by Pakistani-born American Muslim Dr. Ilyas Ba-Yunus, 75% of new Muslim converts in the US leave Islam within a few years
Most converts to Islam are poorly educated and low in intelligence. Most people who leave Islam are highly intelligent and educated.
Apostatizing from Islam is a dangerous thing to do, but many outspoken Muslim preachers, mullahs, imams, scholars, missionaries and even terrorists have apostatized and become atheists, Buddhists, Christians, Hindus etc.
Among them Dr. Mustafa (now Dr. Mark Gabriel) – Former Muslim Imam, Ex-Professor in Al Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt and Dr. Muhammed Rahoumy (now Dr. Samuel Paul) – Former Dean in Al Azhar Islamic University in Cairo Egypt
gemo
As I said in my post on the other site ‘burning-korans’, you must be one of the most confused people on this earth. It is a total and utter lie that there is freedom of choice in islam. The daily evidence around us contradicts this as does the koran itself. When it comes to being confused, you say that the Bible has been corrupted and therefore is unreliable and yet again, this is the very book that you appeal to to prove your point. A man believes the utter, complete, and total lie that the koran is, and then still calls on the Bible, which he disputes, to prove it is true. What a confused man you are.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Richard
The Koran says that Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet. Non-Muslims comttend that this contradict with modern science.
1. Earth made as a carpet
The contradiction refers to a verse from the Qur’an in Surah Nuh:
“And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out).” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 71, Verse 19.
But the sentence in the above verse is not complete. It continues in the next verse, explaining the previous verse. It says: “That ye may go about therein, in spacious roads.” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 71, Verse 20.
A similar message is repeated in Surah TaHa:
“He Who has made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels)….” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 20, Verse 53.
The surface of the earth i.e. earth’s crust is less than 30 miles in thickness and is very thin as compared to the radius of the earth which is about 3750 miles. The deeper layers of the earth are very hot, fluid and hostile to any form of life. The earth’s crust is a solidified shell on which we can live. The Qur’an rightly refers to it like a carpet spread out, so that we can travel along its roads and paths.
2. Carpet can also be spread on other than an absolute flat surface
Not a single verse of the Qur’an says that the earth is flat. The Qur’an only compares the earth’s crust with a carpet. Some people seem to think that carpet can only be put on an absolute flat surface. It is possible to spread a carpet on a large sphere such as the earth. It can easily be demonstrated by taking a huge model of the earth’s globe covering it with a carpet.
Carpet is generally put on a surface, which is not very comfortable to walk on. The Qur’an describes the earth crust as a carpet, without which human beings would not be able to survive because of the hot, fluid and hostile environment beneath it. The Qur’an is thus not only logical, it is mentioning a scientific fact that was discovered by geologists centuries later.
3. Earth has been spread out
Similarly, the Qur’an says in several verses that the earth has been spread out.
“And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: how excellently We do spread out!” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 51, Verse 48
Similarly the Qur’an also mentions in several other verses that the earth is an expanse:
“Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse. And the mountains as pegs?” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 78, Verse 6-7
None of these verses of the Qur’an contain even the slightest implication that the earth is flat. It only indicates that the earth is spacious and the reason for this spaciousness of the earth is mentioned. The Glorious Qur’an says:
4. Earth is geospherical in shape
The Qur’an mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse: “And we have made the earth egg shaped”. The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 79, Verse 30.
The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geospherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth.
Thus the Qur’an and modern established science are in perfect harmony.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Stosh again, and Richard
Investigation about Ezra or Uzair
The Koran is the Last Word of the Creator to His servants, in order to take them from darkness to light.
Allah sent the Koran as the Book in truth and the balance to judge between right and wrong:
It is Allah who has sent down the Book with the truth, and also the Balance.
And what shall make thee know? Haply the Hour is nigh (Ash-Shura, 17).
Allah emphasizes the authenticity of the Koran when He says:
Do they not consider the Koran? Had it not been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy (Ibrahim, 82).
This Book is a revelation from the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Its verses are well expounded, a Koran in Arabic for people of knowledge. It proclaims good news and warning, but most of them turn away, and pay no heed (Fussilat, 2-4).
And this Koran could not have come from other than Allah; it is a confirmation of what was revealed before it and an expounding of the Book, there is no doubt in it, it is from the Lord of the Worlds (Yunus, 37).
Say: ‘If men and jinn banded together to produce the like of this Koran, they will never produce its like, not though they backed one another.’ (Al-Isra, 88).
If researchers want to verify the verses of the Koran, they will discover that each verse is a pearl of truth.
About Ezra (Uzair ) the Koran says:
“Or like the one who passed by a town and it had tumbled over its roofs. He said: “Oh! How will Allah ever bring it to life after its death?” So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: “How long did you remain (dead)?” He (the man) said: “(Perhaps) I remained (dead) a day or part of a day”. He said: “Nay, you have remained (dead) for a hundred years, look at your food and your drink, they show no change and look at your donkey! And thus We have made of you a sign for the people. Look at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh “. When this was clearly shown to him, he said, I know (now) that Allah is Able to do all things”. (Al-Baqarah, 259).
Allah also says in the Koran about Ezra (Uzair):
“And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who disbelieved aforetime. Allah’s Curse be on them how they are deluded away from the truth!” (At-ÂTaubah, 30)
Al-Hafiz Abu Al-Qasim Ibn ‘Asakir said: He is ‘Uzair Ibn Jarwah, or Ibn Suraiq Ibn ‘Adiya Ibn Ayyub Ibn Darzna Ibn ‘Ura Ibn Taqyi Ibn Usbu’ Ibn Finhas Ibn EI-‘Azir Ibn Hamn Ibn ‘Imran. Also, he is said to be ‘Uzair Ibn Smkha.
Some narrations state that his grave is located in Damascus. Then, Al-HafizIbn ‘Asakir narrated on the authority of Abu Al-Qasim AI-Baghawi after Dawud Ibn `Amr after Hibban Ibn `Ali after Muhammad Ibn Kuraib after his father after `Abdullah Ibn `Abbas as saying:
I do not know whether Tubba` was a cursed one or not? And, I do not know whether `Uzair was a Prophet or not? Then, he narrated the like from the Hadith of Mu’amil Ibn Al-Hasan on the authority of Muhammad Ibn Ishaq As-Sajizi after `Abder Razzaq after Mu`amir after Ibn Abu Dhu’aib after Sa`id Al- Maqbaari on the authority of Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him).
Then, he narrated from Ishaq Ibn Bishr -whom is rejected -after Jubair and Muqatil after Ad Dahha, on the authority of `Abdullah Ibn `Abbas (May Allah be pleased with him) as saying: `Uzair was -while a young boy -among those captivated by Bikhtinassar. When he was forty, Allah the Almighty granted him wisdom. And, none was more knowledgeable than he, pertaining to the Torah, and he was mentioned with the train of Messengers and Prophets till his name was erased by Allah the Almighty when he asked about the Divine Decree. (This Hadith is Weak and Rejected) and Allah knows best!)
Ishaq Ibn Bishr narrated after Sa`id after Abu `Urubah after Qatadah after Al-Hasan after `Abdullah Ibn Salam that `Uzair was the man whom Allah caused to die for a hundred years, then raised him up again.
Ibn Ishaq Ibn Bishr said: I was told by Sa`id Ibn Bashir after Wahb Ibn Munabih: `Uzair was a wise, pious worshipper. One day, he went out to look after some of his properties, when he finished he passed by a ruined place where he was scorched by the blazing sun. So, he entered that ruined place riding on his donkey. He got off the donkey holding two baskets, one full of figs and the other full of grapes. He sat down and brought out a bowl in which he squeezed the grapes and soaked the dried bread he had therein. He ate thereof and then slept on his back, relying his two legs against a wall and started to gaze at the ceiling of the house. He saw some decomposed bones and said: {Oh! How will Allah ever bring it to life after its death?} He did not doubt Allah’s Omnipotence to do this, but he said it in exclamation. Upon this, Allah the Almighty sent the Angel of Death who seized his soul, and thus Allah caused him to die for a hundred years. And, after one hundred years, Allah the Almighty sent to him an Angel who first created his heart to make him heedful, then, he created his two eyes to enable him to see and realize how Allah the Almighty revive the death. Then, the Angel continued to complete his creation once more while he was looking. Then, he clothed his bones with flesh, skin and hair. Then, he breathed the soul into him. All this while he is looking and perfectly heedful. The Angel asked him saying: {How long did you remain (dead)? He (the man) said: (Perhaps) I remained (dead) a day or part of a day} that he was caused to die in the afternoon and then was given life again by the end of day while the sun was still in the sky; that’s why he said: {or part of a day} i.e. not even a whole day. The Angel said: {Nay, you have remained (dead) for a hundred years, look at your food and your drink} i.e. the dried bread and the squeezed grapes that did not alter or turn bad, {they show no change} , and the grapes and the figs did not change as well. As if he began to deny the matter by his heart, the Angel said: do you deny what I have said? {and look at your donkey!} he looked at his donkey and found his bones to be decomposed and became totally ruined. The Angel called upon the donkey’s bones and they answered his call and gathered together from all directions till he was made one whole again -while ‘Uzair was looking Âand he clothed them with flesh, skin and hair. Then, the Angel breathed life into it and it roused erecting his ears and head towards the sky thinking the Last Hour had come. That was stated in His Saying: {and look at your donkey! And thus We have made of you a sign for the people. Look at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh}. And {When this was clearly shown to him, he said, I know (now) that Allah is Able to do all things} .Then, he rode on his donkey back to his village where he seemed unfamiliar to the people and the people looked unfamiliar to him. Even, he did not find his own house easily. When he reached the house, he found a crippled blind old woman at the age of one hundred twenty years old. She was a maid owned by him in the past and he left her while she was only twenty years old. He asked her saying: is this the house of ‘Uzair? She said: Yes, it is. She wept and said: “Today, no one ever remembers `Uzair”. He told her that he was ‘Uzair and Allah the Almighty caused me to die for one hundred years then He gave me life again. She said: “Glory is to be to Allah! We lost ‘Uzair one hundred years ago and never heard anything about him.” He said: “Verily, I am ‘Uzair.” She said: ‘Uzair was a man whose supplications were acceptable by Allah the Almighty, so invoke Allah to return my sight to me to look at you, so if you were ‘Uzair, I would certainly know you.” Consequently, he invoked Allah the Almighty, then, he wiped over her eyes and they were recovered and took her by the hand and said: “Stand up by the Leave of Allah!” She stood up by the Leave of Allah. She looked at him and said: “I bear witness that you are ‘Uzair.” Then, she set out for the Children of Israel in their meetings and gatherings and ‘Uzair’s son who was about one hundred and eighteen years old and his grandsons, and she called them saying: “This is ‘Uzair who came back to you.” They belied her, but she said: “I am so and so, your maid. He invoked Allah for me and He recovered my eyesight and legs.” She added: “He claims that Allah caused him to die for one hundred years and then He gave him life again.” The people rose up and went to look at him. His son said: “my father had a black mole between his shoulders.” He disclosed his shoulders and they realized that he was ‘Uzair. The Children of Israel said: “‘Uzair was the only one who committed the whole Torah to his heart and Bikhtinassar burnt it and nothing is left thereof but what the men can remember, so if you are the true ‘Uzair, write it down for us. His father, Surukha buried the Torah during that era of Bikhrinassar in a place known to nobody but ‘Uzair.” Thus, he took them to that place and brought it out, but unfortunately, the papers were rotten and ruined. Consequently, he sat under the shade of a tree circulated by the Children of Israel and he renovated the Torah for them. At that time, two stars descended from the sky and entered into his mouth whereby he remembered the whole text of the Torah and thus renovated it to the Children of Israel. Thus, The Jews say: “Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah.” (At-Taubah, 30).
He renovated the Torah for them in the land of As-Sawad. The town in which he died is said to be called “Sairabadh.”
Abdullah Ibn ‘Abbas (May Allah be pleased with him) said: “Thus he was as said by Allah the Almighty: “And thus We have made of you a sign for the people.” i.e. for the Children of Israel. That he was with his sons a young man among old people for he died when he was only forty and was revived on the same age and status. ‘Abdullah Ibn ‘Abbas said: he was resurrected after the time of Bikhtinassar. The same was related by Al-Hasan.
Was He a Prophet?
It is well known that ‘Uzair was one of the Prophets sent to the Children of Israel; he came during the interval between Dawud and Sulaiman, and Zakariya and Yahya. At his time, none from among the Children of Israel happened to memorize the Torah, Allah the Almighty inspired him to commit it to his heart and then he recited it to the Children of Israel. Wahb Ibn Munabih said: Allah the Almighty ordered an Angel to descend with light to throw on ‘Uzair .In doing this, he copied the Torah letter by letter till he was finished.
Ibn ‘Asakir narrated on the authority of ‘Abdullah Ibn ‘Abbas (May Allah be pleased with him) that he asked’ Abdullah Ibn Salam (the chief of the Jews at the time of the Prophet before he embraced Islam) about Allah’s Statement: {The Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah”. (At-Taubah, 30) why did they say so? Ibn Salam mentioned his (‘Uzair’s) writing down of the Torah out of his memory, and the saying of the Jews that Musa (Moses) could not get them the Torah but in a book, and that ‘Uzair got it without a book. Thereupon, some of them said: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah. For this reason, many scholars say: there was a discontinuation pertaining to the transmission of the Torah at the time of ‘Uzair. This is very likely if ‘Uzair was not a Prophet which is adopted by ‘Ata ‘Ibn Abu Rabah and Al-Hasan Al-Basri, and that was narrated by Ishaq Ibn Bishr after Muqatil Ibn Sulaiman after ‘Ata ‘Ibn Abu Rabah as saying: that period witnessed nine things: Bikhtinassar, Sanaa garden, Saba’ garden, Owners of the Ditch, Gasura, Owners of the Cave, Owners of the Elephant, Antioch, and Tubba’.
Ishaq Ibn Bishr said: I was told by Sa’id after Qatadah after Al-Hasan as saying: That period witnessed the issues of ‘Uzair and Bikhtinassar. Moreover, it is transmitted in the Sahih Muslim that Allah’s Messenger (Peace be upon him) said: “l am most akin to the son of Mary among the whole of mankind and the Prophets are of different mothers, but of one religion, and no Prophet was raised between me and him (Jesus Christ). ”
Wahb Ibn Munabih said: He was raised between Sulaiman and ‘Isa (Jesus) (Peace be upon them). Ibn ‘Asakir narrated after Anas Ibn Malik and’ Ata ‘Ibn As-Sa’ib as saying: ‘Uzair was raised during the time of Musa Ibn ‘Imran, and that he asked for permission to meet with Musa (Peace be upon him), but he refused because of his asking about the Divine Decree. He left while saying: to die a hundred times, is easier than tasting the humiliation for an hour.
As for what was narrated by Ibn ‘Asakir and others on the authority of Ibn ‘Abbas, Nuf AIÂBakali, Sufyan Ath-Thawri and others that he asked about the Divine Decree and consequently his name was erased from among the names of the Prophets. It is a rejected and unauthentic Hadith that it is likely to be copied from the tales and stories that were invented by the Israelites.
Narrated ‘Abdul Razzaq and Qutaibah Ibn Sa’ id after Ja’far Ibn Sulaiman after Abu ‘Imran Al-Juni after Nuf Al-Bakali as saying: ‘Uzair said to his Lord: “0 Lord! You fashioned the creation, and You mislead whom You will and guide whom You will. It was thus said to him: “Turn away from this! But, he returned back. It was again said to him: “Turn away from this or your name as a Prophet would be wiped out; I am not to be questioned about My Doing, while they (all creatures) are brought into account pertaining to what they do.”
The Group, all but At-Tirmidhi, narrated from the Hadith of Yunus Ibn Yazid after Az-Zuhri after Sa’id and Abu Salamah after Abu Hurairah; also it was narrated by Shu’ aib after Abu Az- Zinad after Al-A’raj after Abu Hurairah as saying: Allah’s Messenger (Peace be upon him) said: “An ant had bitten a Prophet (one amongst the earlier Prophets) and he ordered that the colony of the ants should be burnt. And Allah revealed to him: Because of an ant’s bite you have burnt a community from amongst the communities which sings My glory “. This Prophet was narrated to be ‘Uzair by Ishaq Ibn Bishr after Ibn Juraij afterMuhammad Ibn ‘Abdel Wahhab Ibn Mujahid after his father; also this was narrated on the authority of ‘Abdullah Ibn ‘Abbas (May Allah be pleased with him) and Al-Hasan AIÂBasri. Allah knows best!
See also: Was Uzair (Ezra) called the son of God?
http://www.Islamic literature – awareness.org
Don Singleton
I don’t find an email link but Rev. D. Lynn Jacobs referred me to Bill Warner
I would be interested in Bill’s opinion of http://donsingleton.org/rapture/islam101.htm which is a collection of info I have dug out as I tried to learn the truth about the danger posed by Islam, both to Israel, and the world
Richard
Claiming that the Jews believe Ezra is the the son of God is only one of the numerous errors of the Quran.
What do you expect from a semi-literate 7th century Arab wanting to usurp the great existing religions of his time?
He imperfectly understood Judaism and Christianity. Got many of their stories wrong. Repeated himself numerous times and contradicted himself in repetition. Didnt know that the Earth was not flat and that the Sun did not revolve around the Earth or set somewhere on Earth at night as it apparently did.
In this day and age it still shows the level of ignorance that people still fall for his patent lies.
gemo
I have only just realised that there are more sections to this blog. I have made some very pertinent remarks on ‘politicalislam/burning-korans’ which are just as applicable here and that I believe you will find interesting
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
BIBLE PROPHECIES ABOUT THE ADVENT OF MUHAMMAD
Stoch (Cont.)
Abraham is widely regarded as the Patriarch of monotheism and the common father of the Jews, Christians and Muslims. Through His second son, Isaac, came all Israelite prophets including such towering figures as Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon and Jesus. May peace and blessings be upon them all. The advent of these great prophets was in partial fulfillment of God’s promises to bless the nations of earth through the descendents of Abraham (Genesis12:2-3).Such fulfillment is wholeheartedly accepted by Muslims whose faith considers the belief in and respect of all prophets an article of faith.
BLESSINGS OF ISHMAEL AND ISAAC
Was the first born son of Abraham (Ishmael) and his descendants included in God’s covenant and promise? A few verses from the Bible may help shed some light on this question;
1) Genesis 12:2-3 speaks of God’s promise to Abraham and his descendants before any child was born to him.
2) Genesis 17:4 reiterates God’s promise after the birth of Ishmael and before the birth of Isaac.
3) In Genesis, ch. 21. Isaac is specifically blessed but Ishmael was also specifically blessed and promised by God to become “a great nation” especially in Genesis 21:13, 18.
4) According to Deuteronomy 21:15-17 the traditional rights and privileges of the first born son are not to be affected by the social status of his mother (being a “free” woman such as Sarah, Isaac’s mother, or a “Bondwoman” such as Hagar, Ishmael’s mother). This is only consistent with the moral and humanitarian principles of all revealed faiths.
5) The full legitimacy of Ishmael as Abraham’s son and “seed” and the full legitimacy of his mother, Hagar, as Abraham’s wife are clearly stated in Genesis 21:13 and 16:3. After Jesus, the last Israelite messenger and prophet, it was time that God’s promise to bless Ishmael and his descendants be fulfilled. Less than 600years after Jesus, came the last messenger of God, Muhammad, from the progeny of Abraham through Ishmael. God’s blessing of both of the main branches of Abraham’s family tree was now fullfilled. But are there additional corroborating evidence that the Bible did in fact foretell the advent of prophet Muhammad?
MUHAMMAD:
The Prophet Like Unto Moses
Long time after Abraham, God’s promise to send the long-awaited Messenger was repeated this time in Moses’ words.
In Deuteronomy 18:18, Moses spoke of the prophet to be sent by God who is:
1) From among the Israelite’s “brethren”, a reference to their Ishmaelite cousins as Ishmael was the other son of Abraham who was explicitly promised to become a “great nation”.
2) A prophet like unto Moses. There were hardly any two prophets ,who were so much alike as Moses and Muhammad. Both were given comprehensive law code of life, both encountered their enemies and were victors in miraculous ways, both were accepted as prophets/statesmen and both migrated following conspiracies to assassinate them. Analogies between Moses and Jesus overlooks not only the above similarities but other crucial ones as well (e.g. the natural birth, family life and death of Moses and Muhammad but not of Jesus, who was regarded by His followers as the Son of God and not exclusively a messenger of God, as Moses and Muhammad were and as Muslim belief Jesus was).
THE AWAITED PROPHET WAS TO COME FROM ARABIA
Deuteronomy 33:1-2 combines references to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. It speaks of God (i.e. God’s revelation) coming from Sinai, rising from Seir (probably the village of Sa’ir near Jerusalem) and shining forth from Paran. According to Genesis 21:21, the wilderness of Paran was the place where Ishmael settled (i.e. Arabia, specifically Mecca).
Indeed the King James version of the Bible mentions the pilgrims passing through the valley of Ba’ca (another name of Mecca) in Psalms 84:4-6.
Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. His elect and messenger who will bring down a law to be awaited in the isles and who “shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth.” Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke’dar. Who is Ke’dar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke’dar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of prophet Muhammad.
MUHAMMAD’S MIGRATION FROM MECCA TO MEDINA:
PROPHECIED IN THE BIBLE?
Habakkuk 3:3 speaks of God (God’s help) coming from Te’man (an Oasis North of Medina according to J. Hasting’s Dictionary of the Bible), and the holy one (coming) from Paran. That holy one who under persecution migrated from Paran (Mecca) to be received enthusiastically in Medina was none but prophet Muhammad.
Indeed the incident of the migration of the prophet and his persecuted followers is vividly described in Isaiah 21:13-17. That section foretold as well about the battle of Badr in which the few ill-armed faithful miraculously defeated the “mighty” men of Ke’dar, who sought to destroy Islam and intimidate their own folks who turned -to Islam.
THE QUR’AN (KORAN) FORETOLD IN THE BIBLE?
For twenty-three years, God’s words (the Qur’an) were truely put into Muhammad’s mouth. He was not the “author” of the Qur’an. The Qur’an was dictated to him by Angel Gabriel who asked Muhammad to simply repeat the words of the Qur’an as he heard them. These words were then committed to memory and to writing by those who hear them during Muhammad’s life time and under his supervision.
Was it a coincidence that the prophet “like unto Moses” from the “brethren” of the Israelites (i.e. from the lshmaelites) was also described as one in whose mouth God will put his words and that he will speak in the name of God, (Deuteronomy 18:18-20). Was it also a coincidence the “Paraclete” that Jesus foretold to come after Him was described as one who “shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak (John 16:13)
Was it another coincidence that Isaiah ties between the messenger connected with Ke’dar and a new song (a scripture in a new language) to be sang unto the Lord (Isaiah 42:10-11). More explicitly, prophesies Isaiah “For with stammering lips, and another tongue, will he speak to this people” (Isaiah 28:11). This latter verse correctly describes the “stammering lips” of Prophet Muhammad reflecting the state of tension and concentration he went through at the time of revelation. Another related point is that the Qur’an was revealed in piece-meals over a span of twenty three years. It is interesting to compare this with Isaiah 28:10 whichspeaks of the same thing.
THAT PROPHET- PARACLETE- MUHAMMAD
Up to the time of Jesus (peace be upon him), the Israelites were still awaiting for that prophet like unto Moses prophecied in Deuteronomy 18:18. When John the Baptist came, they asked him if he was Christ and he said “no”. They asked him if he was Elias and he said “no”. Then, in apparent reference to Deuteronomy 18:18, they asked him “Art thou that Prophet” and he answered, “no”. (John 1: 1 9-2 1).
In the Gospel according to John (Chapters 14, 15, 16) Jesus spoke of the “Paraclete” or comforter who will come after him, who will be sent by Father as another Paraclete, who will teach new things which the contemporaries of Jesus could not bear. While the Paraclete is described as the spirit of truth, (whose meaning resemble Muhammad’s famous title Al-Amin, the trustworthy), he is identified in one verse as the Holy Ghost (John 14:26). Such a designation is however inconsistent with the profile of that Paraclete. In the words of the Dictionary of the Bible, (Ed. J. Mackenzie) “These items, it must be admitted do not give an entirely coherent picture.”
Indeed history tells us that many early Christians understood the Paraclete to be a man and not a spirit. This might explain the followings who responded to some who claimed, without meeting the criteria stipulated by Jesus, to be the awaited “Paraciete”.
It was Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) who was the Paraclete, Comforter, helper, admonisher sent by God after Jesus. He testified of Jesus, taught new things which could not be borne at Jesus’ time, he spoke what he heard (revelation), he dwells with the believers (through his well-preserved teachings). Such teachings will remain forever because he was the last messenger of God, the only Universal Messenger to unite the whole of humanity under God and on the path of PRESERVED truth. He told of many things to come which “came to pass” in the minutest detail meeting, the criterion given by Moses to distinguish between the true prophet and the false prophets (Deuteronomy 18:22). He did reprove the world of sin, of righteousness and of judgement (John 16:8-11)
WAS THE SHIFT OF RELIGIOUS LEADERSHIP PROPHECIED?
Following the rejection of the last Israelite prophet, Jesus, it was about time that God’s promise to make Ishmael a great nation be fulfilled (Genesis 21:13, 18)
In Matthew 21:19-21, Jesus spoke of the fruitless fig tree (A Biblical symbol of prophetic heritage) to be cleared after being given a last chance of three years (the duration of Jesus’ ministry) to give fruit. In a later verse in the same chapter, Jesus said: “Therefore, say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruit thereof” (Matthew 21:43). That nation of Ishmael’s descendants (the rejected stone in Matthew 21:42) which was victorious against all super-powers of its time as prophecied by Jesus: “And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken, but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder” (Matthew 21:44).
OUT OF CONTEXT COINCIDENCE?
Is it possible that the numerous prophecies cited here are all individually and combined out of context misinterpretations? Is the opposite true, that such infrequently studied verses fit together consistently and clearly point to the advent of the man who changed the course of human history, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Is it reasonable to conclude that all these prophecies, appearing in different books of the Bible and spoken by various prophets at different times were all coincidence? If this is so here is another strange “coincidence”!
One of the signs of the prophet to come from Paran (Mecca) is that he will come with “ten thousands of saints” (Deuteronomy 33:2 KJV). That was the number of faithful who accompanied Prophet Muhammad to Paran (Mecca) in his victorious, bloodless return to his birthplace to destroy the remaining symbols of idolatry in the Ka’bah.
Says God as quoted by Moses:
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:19)
May the light of truth shine in your heart and mind. May it lead you to peace and certitude in this life and eternal bliss in hereafter.
AMEEN
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Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Richard
There is no use talking to you. As it seems you are empty-headed and very shallow.
Richard says: “Many more millions secretly leave Islam in Muslim countries, knowing the danger for openly denouncing it.”
Big fat lier, Millions of non-Muslims including priests and pastors enter Islam every year and not the opposite. Islam is the fastest growing religion to day, and you know it. You certainly forges the facts.
Richard says: ” whenever I ask you a direct question about Islam or Muhammad you always launch into a sermon about Christianity or Judaism. Will you kindly shut up about them or any other religion.
You are acting like a young child when caught doing something wrong, immediately tries to divert attention by pointing the finger at someone else.”
Because I realized that your information about religions is rather scanty, and that you are almost illiterate, I prefer in your case to give a detailed back ground that is directly related to the answer you need. Even this approach that costs me effort and pain you don’r appreciate. I can leave you barking at your door without answering you back, but again, giving advice to a man astray like you may illuminate your dark heart.
Richard says: “The last two (Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Farhan Qureshi) are notable because they were vocal former supporters of radical Islam but were intellectually convinced it was humbug. Please read The Emperors New Clothes by Hans Christian Andersen.”
As I said before several times, the Koran states that there is no compulsion in religion. This means that it is for people to belive in Islam or not to believe. But if they believed in Islam then converted to another religion the curse of Allah is upon them in this life and the Hereafter, and on the Day of Resurrection awaits them a terrible chastisement.The Koranic verses indicating this are mentioned in my post abovein in case you like to refer to them.
I have never heard about Hirsi or Farhan, meaning that they are not of significance. But maybe they are of significance to you because their shameful act satisfies your own dirty whims and desires. As a matter of fact we Muslims don’t give a dam if they believe or convert. Everyone will die and be accountable to Allah, and there, he will receive his punishment or reward. Every soul will carry its own burden, no vicarious atonement here. Man has been born free. He has been given the choice to choose the road to paradise or the road to perdition.
You want me to read Hans Christian Anderson. Who is he? Another Islamophob hate monger? I never heard of him too! Those hired writers who earn money by attacking the last Testament to the world, the Koran and the religion of Islam are the scum of the earth. We Muslims don’t read their books .
We don’t have time to read this filth humiliating the Creator. And again on the Day of Judgment they will face the torment in requittal to their terrible guilt.
Let it be known to you ignorant moron that no one contends with opposing argument against Allah’s signs and revelations but the unbelievers who deny Allah and refuse to acknowledge His authority.
Your Creator says in His last Testament to the world:
None but the unbelievers dispute concerning the signs of Allah… (Ghafir, 4).
And those who dispute concerning Our Signs have no asylum (from Allah’s punishment) (As-Shura, 35).
Those who dispute about the Signs of Allah which are clear to all who care to see, are merely in far error. They turn a deaf ear to Allah’s revelation and refuse to listen but to their own conception which is an imagination proceeding from their deviating senses. These and such like persons of future generations and of times past together with the present who refuse to acknowledge the Koran, shall come to know the fatal consequences awaiting them on the Day of judgment.
Allah says in the Koran:
hast thou not regarded those who dispute concerning the signs of Allah, how they are turned about?
Those who cry lies to the Book and that wherewith We sent Our Messengers – soon they will know!
When the fetters and chains are in their necks, and they dragged into the boiling water, then into the Fire they are poured; then it is said to them, ‘Where are those you associated apart from Allah?’ They shall say, ‘They have gone astray from us; nay, but it was nothing at all that we called upon aforetime.’
Even so Allah leads astray the unbelievers.
That is because you rejoiced in the earth without right, and were exultant. Enter the gates of Gehenna (Hell Fire); to dwell therein forever.’ how evil is the lodging of those that are proud (Ghafir, 69-76).
Richard, I advise you to read with care the 18 purposes of Muhammad’s mission I posted above. Muhammad’s mission was no pleasantry but a decisive Message.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Stoch
Apart from what has been mentioned in the Koran about Ezra or Uzair (his name in the Koran) that the Jews considered him the son of Allah I don’t have any other proof. But if the Koran stated something, you must know for sure that it is true. So search in your Bible about this fact, maybe you can find it.
As for the evidence about the advent of Muhammad in the Bible and the Gospel, please read the following:
The religions prior to Islam were not meant to be universal religions. During the countless centuries of human history, when the different nations of mankind lived in more or less complete isolation, there was no means of rapid communication between one nation and another, so Allah sent different Prophets to different people. Each nation was separately guided to the truth by a national prophet. Moses and Jesus were the prophets to the Israelites. Jesus himself declared his mission to be restricted to the Israelites by saying:
“I have been sent only to the lost sheep of the people of Israel.” (Matthew, 15: 24).
As far as their fundamental Messages and teachings are concerned, the religion of Moses and Jesus was not different from Islam, yet neither did contain complete guidance for all aspects of human life for all nations and ages.
Each nation having been separately guided to the truth by the national Prophets, the time became ultimately ripe for the World-Prophet – peace be upon him – to be raised to preach the universal religion. Thus, when the world was on the eve of becoming one, Allah raised up the Prophet Muhammad to transmit the essential Message of all the Prophets, and revealed to him the all-embracing religion as a universal faith, containing the unadulterated Message of all the prophets. He united the peoples of all nations and lands into a single world-wide brotherhood and gave the world a complete code of life for the whole of humanity. There is nothing in Islam which is of benefit only to the people of a particular region or age. The Holy Koran enjoins nothing which is not of uniformly inspiring, edifying and practicable for peoples of all nations and times. Muhammad’s mission was for the whole world and for all times. The universality of his Message has been clearly confirmed by the Koran:
And We have sent you to the entire mankind as a bearer of glad tidings and as a Warner, but most people do not understand. (Saba’a, 28).
O people of earlier Scripture! There has come to you Our Messenger, revealing to you much of that which you used to hide of the Book, and pardoning much. Indeed there has come to you from Allah a Light and a manifest Book (Al Maida, 15).
Say, “O people, I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, to whom belongs the Dominion of the heavens and the earth, there is no Allah but He, He bestows life and ordains death, so believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, follow him that you may be guided (Al-A’raf, 158).
The advent of Muhammad and his universal Message to the world was clearly known to the Jews and the Christians as prophesied in their Books, however, out of envy and obstinacy they denied and obliterated this important fact.
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find written down with them in the Torah and the Gospel, bidding them honor, and forbidding them dishonor, making lawful to them the good things, and making unlawful to them the corrupt things, and relieving them of their loads, and the fetters that were upon them. Those who believe in him, and support and help him, and follow the light that has been sent down with him, they are the prosperous (Al-A’raf, 157).
Because the religion with Allah is Islam, the Prophet in addition to inviting the Arab pagans to Islam, he also invited the Jews and the Christians to Islam.
O you who have been given earlier scripture! Believe in what We have revealed, affirming of what you have been given, before We obliterate faces and turn them upon their backs, or curse them as We cursed the violators of the Sabbath, and Allah’s command is surely carried into effect (An Nisa, 47).
People of the Book, now there has come to you Our Messenger, making things clear to you, upon an interval between the Messengers lest you should say, “There has not come to us any bearer of good tidings, neither any Warner.” Indeed, there has come to you a bearer of good tidings and a Warner; Allah is powerful over everything (Al-Maidah, 19).
These verses clearly show that the Jews and the Christians were ordered in the Torah and the Gospel to follow Prophet Muhammad when he would come as a Messenger of Allah to all mankind.
The universality of Islam is also expressed by the clear prophesies indicated in the Torah and the Gospel about the coming of Muhammad, e.g. Deut. 18: 18, 21: 21; Psl. 118: 22-23; Isa. 42: 1-13; Hab. 3: 3-4; Matt. 21: 42-43; Jn. 14: 12-17, 26-28, 16: 7-14.
Since the religions prior to Islam were of a national character, their followers tended to believe that they were chosen peoples. Such is the case with Christianity too, which believes the Israelites to be a chosen people. The Christians acknowledge only the Prophets of Israel while the Jewish people reject the prophet hood of Jesus. According to the Holy Koran, Allah is the Lord and Sustainer of all the worlds. As He has not discriminated between nations in sending His revelations, so Muslims make no distinction between any of His Messengers:
“The Messenger (Muhammad) believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and the believers; each one believes in Allah and His angels, and His Books and his Messengers; we make no division between any of His Messengers. They say, ‘We hear, and obey. Our Lord, grant us Thy forgiveness; unto You is the homecoming.” (Al-Baqarah, 285).
By accepting the Prophets and Scriptures of all nations, Islam affirms the unity and universal providence of Allah and the universality of religious experience, and also seeks to bring together people of all races and creeds in a single all-embracing faith and brotherhood.
gemo
This el Guindy is one of the most unbelievable people, if indeed he has a normal brain. I have only just been made aware of these sites. May I refer you to my posting on ‘Policalislam- burning korans’. I think I have made some very pertinent remarks there.
Stosh
Dr. El-Guindy:
Can you provide proof that the Jews considered Ezra the son of G-d? I am not a Muslim, so the Koran does not constitute proof for me. In a similar vein, Muslims state that the Torah and the Gospels were corrupted to conceal the prophesy that Mohammed would come. Other than words in the Koran, there appears to be no evidence of this, as the ancient Bibles we have (the Greek Septuagint and the Aramaic Targums, which predate Islam by nearly 1000 years) and the Biblical fragments that are part of the Dead Sea Scrolls are remarkably consistent with the text we have today.
Richard
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy whenever I ask you a direct question about Islam or Muhammad you always launch into a sermon about Christianity or Judaism.
Will you kindly shut up about them or any other religion.
You are acting like a young child when caught doing something wrong, immediately tries to divert attention by pointing the finger at someone else.
Fact – No other religion commands its followers to kill those that leave it.
Fact – Islam commands its followers to kill those that leave it.
Fact – Many countries, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, Iran etc incorporate this commandment into their laws.
Fact – No Christian country or any other, Hindu or Buddhist, has any such law.
Address these facts.
You claim “An apostate leaves Islam, not out of a belief that he is moving to something truer and better, but to satisfy some of his worldly desires, e. g., to get greater importance or more comfortable life or greater acceptance of his lifestyle such as homosexual lifestyle.”
This is the most blatant lie ever told by you. An apostate is kicked out and disinherited by his family and faces violence and death. But they still do it because of conviction that Islam is a bunch of lies and evil. Many more millions secretly leave Islam in Muslim countries, knowing the danger for openly denouncing it.
Read just one testimony of an apostate I have posted above.
The only “secrets” they pass on to the “enemy” – Non-Muslims is the truth about Islam and the deceit and lies its spreads to fool people.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy “Richard: …If you don’t repent and follow the right religion of Islam, I assure you that your abode will be Hell Fire for eternity”
Dear Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy, you can take your assurance and stick it where the sun dont shine.
It is laughable. Please read The Emperors New Clothes by Hans Christian Andersen.
You and Islam have no clothes. And you know it, when the bright light of truth is shone on you. People laugh at you and you retaliate by threatening to kill them.
If someone threatens violence on me, verbal or physical, and threats of eternal torture is one of them, I retaliate. I do not submit meekly as you would like us to do.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Richard
Before I explain apostasy in Islam and its penalty, read carefully the following and don’t be bored because it is directly related to your question.
The three monotheistic religions – Judaism, Christianity and Islam – all share in common one fundamental concept: belief in one God (Allah) as the Supreme Being, the Creator and Sustainer of the universe.
The Oneness of Allah, which is the core and principle belief in the three religions, was stressed by Moses in the Jewish creed of faith: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” (Deuteronomy 6:4).
Prophet Jesus, the Messiah, a Prophet and Messenger of Allah sent only to the Jews, preached the essential Message of the Oneness of Allah, the Creator. Jesus teachings concentrated on worshipping the One God, the Creator alone, and correcting the tampering of certain Rabbis who, for secular gain, had corrupted the Book given to Moses. Jesus said to his people, “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.” (Mark 12:29).
Muhammad came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same Message again: “And your God is One God: There is no God but He” Al-Baqarahh, 163).
After the ascension of Jesus, only a few true Jewish Nazarenes remained. Some had chosen to remove themselves from society and lived in hermitages awaiting the coming of the last Prophet of Allah. There, they were free to practice the true teachings of the Prophet Jesus. These teachings were the worship of the One God together with the adherence to the original Law of Moses, the Mosaic Law, that Prophet Jesus had restored, rather than the corrupted version the Jews selected to follow.
Paul of Tarsus, the man who could rightfully be considered the true founder of Christianity, was neither the Messiah, nor a Messenger and was not given a Holy Book. Paul however, formulated many of its doctrines. The concept of Trinity was not among them, but he was the one who laid the foundation of Trinity when he put forth the idea of Jesus being a “divine Son”. In essence, Paul named the principal players, but it was the people of the Church who came years after him who put the matter together.
As historically known, Paul at the beginning, was a staunch opponent of Prophet Jesus and remained so for many years after his ascension. When he did join the followers of Jesus later on, he initiated many alterations in the teachings of Jesus in hopes of winning over the Gentiles (non-Jewish people). He introduced the following concepts into Christianity:
a.The concept of Jesus as son of God;
b. Jesus died on the cross to wash the sins of Adam’s children through his blood; and
c.The Law of Torah was renounced. He eliminated all regulations concerning food and abrogated the injunctions of circumcision.
During the first three hundred years of Christianity there were divisions between the major Church centers of thought over the nature of Jesus. Several ideas about the nature of Jesus emerged during the course of time. These ideas developed in different directions in different areas, depending upon the local influences. Roman Christianity was strongly influenced by the paganism in which it grew up and had to survive. Hence a belief in God-system which would be understandable to the pagans was essential for the church to survive. Son of God equated to the Sun God or ‘Sol Invictus’ which was very popular among the Roman elite including the emperor Constantine. Elsewhere Greek and Egyptian culture had a major influence.
In Palestine, Judaism had a strong effect and many of the early sects thought of Jesus as a human Messiah, a Prophet from God. Such groups included the Ebionites and Elchasaites.
Elsewhere, there was a view that Jesus was the literal ‘Son of God’, and hence part of the God-head (Father, Son and Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost). There were others that argued that all three were co-existent and from one being, while the Sabellians preferred to think of Jesus as one mode of God, i.e. the trinity represented three states of God, but that there was essentially only one God. This preserved their view of Monotheism.
Yet another theory was that in actual fact, Jesus was created, and hence not eternal, and therefore could not be God, and was in fact inferior. Whatever views are reported, there was no common accepted view, and the Church faced potential conflict due to these misunderstandings.
The writings of the Apostolic Fathers do not indicate any metaphysical speculations or new concepts of God. Such apologists as Ignatius of Antioch saw no relevancy in placing the Holy Spirit on the same level as the Father and the son. Justin Martyr had no dogmatic view with regard to the Holy Spirit and did not describe any kind of relationship between the father and Son. Athenagoras did mention a triad early in his writings, bur Justin’s disciple, Tatian, made only a vague reference to a triad and had no doctrine regarding the trinity.
At the time of the Apostolic Fathers, most Christians were unconcerned about the interrelations of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They felt sufficiently informed without any knowledge of a triad (20). Over a period of time concepts did eventually arise because the changing environment in which the Church found itself – an environment which contributed considerably to the shaping of faith and theology. The heavenly Father described by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount was altered to the Trinity – a concept which both Hatch and Harnack describe as degeneration rather than a development. It was a corruption of the Truth from its earliest simplicity.
Trinitarians continue to hang onto their beliefs citing Matthew 28: 19 as proof there is a Trinity. Yet, Baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, means one is joined to the Father and the Son by the Spirit. The fact is: there is no sensible reason God should speak of Himself in the plural unless He is plural. The Bible nowhere states that God is three persons.
Augustine described the members of the trinity as having “internal relations” within the one personal God. Much confusion has arisen because how can three relations have the capacity to love? Persons may love but not “relations.” This personalization of relations has led to untold perplexity. God does not love His thought of himself, nor can His thought of Himself love Him in return.
The doctrine of the Trinity was forced upon the Church. It is quite apparent that the concept of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit do not constitute a genuine Trinity. The whole concept is wrapped up in a degree of artificiality, which is arbitrary and poses insoluble problems.
Because Allah is Most Merciful to His servants, He willed to send a last warner to the world, a bringer of glad tidings, reminding people of the Day of Judgment and on that Day Allah will not accept associating partners with Him. The Doctrine of Abraham’s Law had to be revived. Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, and he worshiped none but Allah alone. Islamic monotheism was his religion. The concept of pure monotheism that had been called out by all ancient prophets had to be re-established before people stand before Allah in the final reckoning on the Day of Judgment.
Mohammad – the last of the Prophets – then came with the Koran, a Book immune to adulteration, a Book that stood the test of time. The Koran is the literal Word of Allah bestowed from on High through the intermediary of the angel Gabriel. The Koran brought teachings incumbent on mankind to follow if they seek forgiveness and Allah’s grace in the Hereafter. The Koran was in fact a severe admonition to the world. Its teachings rejected all such irrational theological trends and restored the conception of Allah to its pristine purity as the only Creator, Sustainer and Master of all the creation.
Muhammad came then to renew the faith of Allah – the Lord of the world. Muhammad – peace be upon him – came to the world to amend and reform the path of salvation which was covered with falsehood and drowned in darkness. The Prophet of Islam is Allah’s chosen one to renew the faith. In summary, and based on the above, the seal of the prophets came for the following reasons:
1- Muhammad came with a universal Message to all mankind. Allah descended upon him the Koran, a Book which stands manifest of glory, knowledge and spiritual light. The Koran – the last divine Revelation – is a Book expressing the spirit of truth that guides those who believe in Allah and leads them to the path of rectitude. Its verses cannot be emulated; they are exact and precise, and expressed in proper words in their proper places. The Koran distinctly expresses the wisdom of creation, and the purpose of man’s life, leaving nothing merely implied, and textually it expounds all the statutes decreed by Allah. The Koran confirms the scriptures that came before it and safeguards the Torah of Moses and the Bible of Jesus for it has preserved within it the authentic teachings of the former Books. It watches over these Books in the sense that it will not let the true teachings of the Torah and the Gospel to be lost. It stands as a witness because it bears testimony to the Word of Allah contained in these Books, and helps to sort it out from the interpretations and commentaries of the people which were mixed with it: what is confirmed by the Koran is the Word of Allah and what is against it in preceding Books is that of the people. The Koran testifies the truth that is in the former Books and falsifies the falsehood that was added to these Books. The Koran is trustworthy over every divine Book that preceded it, and the decision that is based on its percepts shall have to be accepted as final.
Allah says in this regard:
And We have sent down to thee the Book with the truth, confirming the Book (old Scriptures) that were before it and a witness over it. So judge between them according to what Allah has sent down, and do not follow their (Jews and Christians) caprices, to forsake the truth that has come to thee. To every one of you We have appointed a right way and an open road (Al-Maidah, 48)
2- Allah has sent Muhammad to guide people into all truth, and to proclaim the divine Book which states the appropriate features of faith and worship. The Koran serves as the Criterion and the Canon wherein providence is the guide. It aligns the course of action, of thought and of life of all concerned Muslims and non Muslims. This is because actually there is only one religion. The Message of Allah to His Messenger Muhammad is Islam, meaning in Arabic submission to the will of Allah. It was the religion preached by Moses and Jesus; it was the religion of Abraham, Noah, and all other prophets (8).
3- Muhammad came with the Koran to complete the chain of revelation that has been preached by the divinely inspired Prophets. The Koran is the fountain of mercy and wisdom, a warning to the heedless, a guide to the erring, and an assurance to those in doubt, a solace to the suffering, and a hope to those in despair. The Koran was descended on Muhammad to be read and studied for all time. The Message of Muhammad was no mere esoteric doctrine to be grasped by a few in contemplation, fleeing from action; nor was it the practice of single or social monasticism, undisturbed by the whims or passions of life. The Prophet was asked to stand forth, to preach, to declare the One Universal God-Allah- and to lead men to the right and forbid wrong. The wrong that was common in his time and became an established tradition from pagan fathers; the selfish pride of birth; the massing of power and wealth in the hands of a few; the slaughter of female infants; the orgies of gambling and drunkenness; the frauds of temples and idols and priests; the feuds and arrogance of tribes and races; the separation of sacred and profane (8).
Allah says in the Koran:
A Book We have sent down to thee that thou mayest bring forth mankind from the shadows to the light by the leave of their Lord, to the path of the All-Mighty, the All-Laudable (Ibrahim, 1)
4- Muhammad came to confirm for the last time the Oneness of Allah. Allah is only One God, and is high above any ideas of physical reproduction. Allah is the sole Creator of mankind, jinn, animals, plants, mountains, rivers, oceans, the skies and the earth. Therefore, whoever expects to meet His Lord must work righteousness and never to incorporate with his Creator other deities.
Allah says in the Koran:
This (Koran) is a Message for mankind that they may be warned by it, and that they may know that He is One God, and that men possessed of minds may remember (Ibrahim, 52).
5- Muhammad came to warn people of the Day of Resurrection that is drawing near, when the hearts will be shocking the throats, and they can neither return their hearts to their chests nor can they throw them out. There will be neither friend, nor intercessor for the wrongdoers in that Day. The road to salvation is to relinquish worshipping idols and false deities and worship the One and only God, Allah.
6- Muhammad came to the Jews and Christians after a period of time intervening between him and his predecessor of the Apostles, to make clear to them the facts they concealed in their scriptures, and to help them abandon imagination which is always at war with reason so that they cannot later on claim innocence and say: “No one came to us in the capacity of spectacle and a warning.”
7- Muhammad came to invite the rival sects of the Jews and the Christians to Islam, and to explain to them most of the matters in which they differ. About many of their doctrines they had bitter disputes, which were settled by the Koran. The Koran supplemented and perfected the Law of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus. The Koran also explained clearly the attributes of Allah and the nature of Revelation, and the doctrine of the Hereafter. The dispute between rival sects can only be settled by the Decree of Allah: 1) in the form of a Revelation, as was done by the Koran, or 2) the Decree of Judgment in the Hereafter, when all warring sects will at length see their errors, and Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment with justice and equity. The Prophet’s responsibility was to preach and show the way. The Prophet however, was not responsible for the obstinacy and perversity of men who turned away from Allah’s Signs and rejected the Truth. He will not be able to make his voice reach the worthless who counsel deaf when they turn back in retreat. He can only influence those who listen to the Koran and give credence to Allah’s divine Signs, and have submitted themselves to Allah in Islam as Muslims (8).
8- Muhammad came to warn of the torment that is laid upon the ungodly and the impious, and announces joyful tidings and a distinguished reward to the believers in whose hearts reign piety. Those who exercise humility when standing before Allah in their prayers; who refrain from idle talk, gossip and slander; who perform the religious duty of giving alms with the sympathetic feeling toward the poor and their due; who abstain from sex except with those joined to them in the marriage bond; who faithfully observe their trust and covenants; who strictly observe their prayers and all it entails. Such like-persons are the inheritors of Allah’s mercy and blessings here and hereafter. They shall inherit paradise where they enjoy the surpassing beauty and supreme bliss: they will dwell therein forever. But whoever seeks beyond that, those then are the transgressors.
9- The warning Muhammad brought is not only directed to those denying Allah or His Message, but also for those whose false ideas of Allah degrade religion in supposing that Allah has begotten a son, for Allah is One, and is High beyond any ideas of physical reproduction. The false claim that Allah has begotten a son is considered in Islam as an unforgivable sin. The Koran teaches that never shall Allah forgive setting up partners in worship with Him but less than that He forgives to whomsoever He will. Whoso associates with Allah anything has gone astray into far error. The claim that Allah has begotten a son is not even a dogma that is reasoned out or can be explained in any way that is consistent with the sublime attributes of Allah. A sect of the Jews called Ozair (Ezra) who allegedly dictated from memory the whole Jewish law which was lost during captivity, a son of Allah. They considered him as fully worthy to have been the law giver if Moses did not precede him. The Christians called the Messiah, son of Mary, the son of Allah. In this they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. The Christians further considered Jesus as their lord, yet they were commanded to worship none but Allah alone. Now there is no excuse for such blasphemies after the Prophet of Allah had clearly explained the true relation to Allah (pure monotheism) than in the times of primitive ignorance and superstition.
The Koran says:
The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the son of Allah’; the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the son of Allah’. That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming with the unbelievers before them. Allah assails them! How they are perverted (At-Tawba, 30).
They say, ‘Allah has taken to himself a son.’ Glory be to Him! He is All-Sufficient; to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth; you have no authority for this. What, do you say concerning Allah that you know not? (Yunus, 68).
Say: ‘ those who forge against Allah falsehood shall not prosper.’ (Yunus, 69).
Some enjoyment in this world; then unto Us they shall return, then We shall let them taste the terrible chastisement, for that they were unbelievers (Yunus, 70).
In the Koran Allah clearly warned the Christians not to associate with Him in worship other deities. By taking Jesus as His son, the Christians had committed the most heinous sin. Allah is the One and only God, and Jesus although Allah brought him to life without a father, he was just a Prophet sent to the children of Israel who had gone astray after they perverted the words of the Torah to serve their own whims and desires.
Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin most heinous indeed (Al-Nisa, 48).
In Islam, the allegation that Jesus is the son of Allah or that Allah is the third of three (concept of Trinity) amounts to glaring blasphemy.
The Koran says:
they are unbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah Mary’s son.’ For the Messiah said, ‘Children of Israel, serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Verily whoso associates with Allah anything, Allah shall prohibit him entrance to Paradise, and his refuge shall be the Fire; and wrongdoers shall have no helpers.’ (Al-Maidah, 72).
They are unbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the third of three.’ No god is there but one God. If they refrain not from what they say, there shall afflict those of them that disbelieve a painful chastisement (Al-maidah, 73).
10- The Jews and the Christians also took their rabbis and their monks as their lords in derogation of Allah. Their wish is to put out the light of Truth, but Allah perfected His Light by sending the Koran – the last of His Revelations – albeit this is hateful to those who incorporate with Allah other deities and refuse to admit the truth.
The Koran says:
They have taken their rabbis and their monks as lords apart from Allah, and the Messiah, Mary’s son – and they were commanded to serve but One God; there is no God but He; glory be to Him above that they associate (At-Tawba, 31).
They want to extinguish with their mouths Allah’s Light; and Allah refuses but to perfect His light, though the unbelievers be averse (At-Tawba, 32).
11- In falsehood rabbis and monks devoured the wealth of people. This was strikingly exemplified in the history of Mediaeval Europe. Priests got rich by issuing indulgences and dispensations; they made their office a stepping stone to worldly power and possessions. Even the monastic orders, which took vows of poverty for individuals grew rich with corporate property, until their wealth became a scandal, even among their own nations. Muhammad came to say to the rabbis and monks do not devour the wealth of men in falsehood, and obstruct the way to the path of Allah. Those rabbis and monks who treasure up gold and silver and do spend it not in the way of Allah, there awaits them a grievous penalty. On the Day when gold and silver be melted by the heat of the fire of hell and with it will be branded their foreheads, their sides, and their backs. Allah in the Hereafter will say to them, “This is the treasure which you hoarded for yourselves, taste you then, the evil of what you were treasuring.”
As we read in the Koran:
O believers, many of the rabbis and monks indeed devour the wealth of the people in falsehood and bar from Allah’s way. Those who treasure up gold, and silver, and do not expend them in the way of Allah – give them the good tiding of a painful chastisement.
On the Day when that shall be heated in the Fire of Gehenna (Hell) and with this will be branded their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs, (and it will be said unto them); ‘This is the thing you have treasured up for yourselves; therefore taste you now what you were treasuring (At-Tawba 34, 35).
12- Muhammad came to say to the warring sects of the Jews and the Christians that he is not a part of them nor will he be responsible for the way they conduct themselves in life. Their account rests with Allah; He will tell them in the Day of Judgment of all that they perpetrated of wrong doings.
Allah says in the Koran:
Those who have made divisions in their religion and become sects, thou art not of them in anything; their affair is unto Allah, then He will tell them what they have been doing (Al-An’am, 159).
13- Muhammad came to say that he whom Allah wills to guide to His path of rectitude, he opens his breast to Islam; and he whom Allah wills to send astray, He makes his breast close and constricted, a feeling similar to that he experiences if he were climbing to high altitudes where the pressure is reduced and the oxygen gets less and less that he can hardly breathe. Thus Allah put the wrath on those who refuse to believe.
The Koran says:
Whomsoever Allah desires to guide, He expands his breast to Islam; whomsoever He desires to lead astray, He makes his breast narrow, tight, as if he were climbing to heaven. So Allah lays abomination upon those who believe not (Al-An’am, 15)
14- The advent of Muhammad was foretold in the Torah of Moses, and in the Gospel of Jesus.
The Koran says:
Those who follow the Apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own Scriptures, in the Torah and the Gospel” (Al- A’raf, 157).
Abraham and his son Ishmael while building the Ka’ba also prayed to Allah asking Him to send a Prophet to the Arabs in order to teach them the Book and wisdom. Muhammad came as a fulfillment of such prophecies.
The Koran says:
Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own, who shall recite to them Your Signs, and teach them the Book and the wisdom, and purify them; You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise (Al-Baqara, 129).
15- The Torah and the Gospel were mentioned in the Koran as two sacred Books that were sent down to Moses and Jesus, respectively. The two books were primarily directed to the Children of Israel. After nearly 600 years from the descent of the Gospel, the Koran was sent down to Muhammad as a light from Allah to all mankind and not just a group of people as in the case of Moses and Jesus. Allah made the Torah the standard of judgment and the canon law by which the prophets who conformed to Islam, as defined by Allah (bowing in Islam to Allah’s will), would administer righteousness and justice between the Jews. And so would the rabbis and the priests who came after the Prophets, for to them was entrusted the protection of the Torah. They were living witnesses to the truth of Scripture, and could testify that they had made it known to the people. In their footsteps, Allah sent Jesus the son of Mary with the Gospel confirming the Torah that had come before him. The Gospel was a light and guidance for the pious and admonition to the Children of Israel, but the Jews violated the laws of the Torah to serve their worldly interests, and the Christians invented the concept of trinity, thus associating with Allah other partners. Muhammad came to explain to them most of the matters in which they differ. He came to warn against the breaching of the Covenant of the Jews and the Christians with Allah, and to re-establish the Oneness of Allah on earth.
In the Koran Allah emphasizes His Oneness:
Say: ‘He is Allah (the) One. Allah the Everlasting Refuge (the Self-Sufficient Master Whom all creatures need – He neither eats nor drinks). He begets not, nor was He begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone (Al-Ikhlās, 1-4).
16- The Koran has come to all people, and he who chooses to follow the path of rectitude shall only profit his own soul, and he who chooses to stray shall only harm his own soul, the Prophet is not to watch over their folly.
The Koran states:
Say: ‘ O men, the truth has come to you from your Lord. Whosoever is guided is guided only to his own gain, and whosoever goes astray, it is only to his own loss. I am not a guardian over you (Yunus, 10).
17- The Prophet of Allah is sent to teach and direct people on the way. He is not sent to force their will, or to punish them, except insofar as he may receive authority to do so. But he who turns away and disbelieves then Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment, and in Hell will he forever be detained. Unto Allah shall be their return; and their Judgment will be His concern,
As we read in the Koran:
Then remind them. Thou art only a reminder; thou art not charged to oversee them.
But he who turns his back, and disbelieves, Allah shall chastise him with the greatest chastisement. Truly, to Us is their return; then upon Us shall rest their reckoning (Al-Ghăshiya, 21-26).
18- As the seal of the prophets Muhammad came to say to the whole world that the truth must prevail over all. Every religion which commends itself widely to human beings and lasts through some space of time has a glimpse of truth in it. But Islam being the perfect light of truth is bound to prevail. As the greater light, through its own strength, outshines all lesser lights, so will Islam outshine all else, albeit this is hateful to those who incorporate with Allah other deities.
Allah Almighty says in the Koran:
It is He who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may uplift it above every religion, though the unbelievers be averse (At-Tawbah, 33).
Because religion with Allah has always been Islamic Monotheism, Muhammad came to invite people of the Book (Jews and Christians) to worship Allah, the One and only God. This one system of faith states and confirms recognition of Allah and His control of destiny; His rightful claim to obedience, reverence and worship and the moral attitude resulting from this belief.
The Koran says:
O people of the Book. Now has come to you Our Messenger making things clear to you, after a break in the series of the Messengers , lest you say: “There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner,” But now has come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner. And Allah is able to do all things (Al-Ma’idah, 19).
Allah has revealed the Koran to Muhammad to relate its context of truth to the people in truth, and he who accepts the spirit of truth will have profited his own soul and he who deviates into falsehood will have hurt himself. The duty of Muhammad is only to convey the Message and on Allah is the reckoning. It is not for the Prophet to watch over their folly.
Surely We have sent down upon thee the Book for mankind with the truth. Whosoever is guided, is only guided to his own gain, and whosoever goes astray, it is only to his own loss; you are not a guardian over them (Az-Zumar, 41).
Now there has come to you a Messenger from among yourselves; grievous to him is your suffering; anxious is he over you, gentle to the believers, compassionate.
So if they turn their backs, say: “Allah is enough for me. There is no God but He. In Him I have put my trust. He is the Lord of the Mighty Throne (At-Tawba 128, 129).
Allah has sent Muhammad as a warner to all, but he will not be asked about the dwellers of the blazing Fire:
We have sent you with the truth, good tidings to bear, and warning. You shall not be questioned about the inhabitants of Hell (Al-Baqarahh, 119).
In order to summarize the steps needed to win Paradise every Muslim should completely believe in the following principles:
1- Belief in one God, Allah.
2- Belief in all of Allah’s Messengers and Prophets.
3- Belief in all the Books sent down to Prophets of Allah. These Books include Pages of Abraham, Psalm of David, Torah of Moses, Gospel of Jesus, Koran of Muhammad. Only the Holy Koran exists in its original form, however.
4- Belief in the existence of angels.
5- Belief in the Day of Judgment, life after death, Heaven and Hell.
6- Belief in the Divine Decree or Predestination, whether good or bad.
7- Believing in all previous issues should be crowned by complete adherence to the teachings of the Koran and the Sunnah of the Prophet.
8- Struggling in the cause of Allah with possessions and selves.
Believing in one or some of these principles while neglecting others is not considered by Allah as a true faith and He will not accept such kinds of deficient beliefs in the Day of Judgment.
The Christians of today believe – as they are told by their priests – that Christ became a man named Jesus two thousand years ago. “Jesus” means Jehovah, the savior. “Jehovah” is the ever existing God. Jehovah is the name of God used before he became a man. After he became a man, He used the name Jesus. To Christians, Jehovah is the God of heaven sitting on the throne, whereas Jesus is Jehovah becoming a man to be their savior. The Christ into whom Christians believe and to whom they are joined as one is the crucified, resurrected, and exalted God-man, Jesus!
The Christians think that their first birth by their human parents gives them a dying physical body; a corrupted psychological organ (the soul), consisting of the mind, emotion and will; and a spirit that is dead and incapable of contacting God. By receiving Christ as their savior, they are born again. In the first life they are cursed, but in the second they are blessed with God.
According to the evangelicals so influential in today’s America, only “born again” Christians are on their way to Heaven, the Jews and non-born again Christians are however doomed until God calls them forth to be slain at the Battle of Armageddon!
One of the things that must happen before the second coming of Christ is not only the establishment of Israel but also that the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem must be rebuilt on its ancient site. This necessitates destroying the Haram ash-Sharif and the Al-Aqsa Mosque, a matter that is extremely worrying for Muslims.
The ‘Born Again’ Christians have one goal: to facilitate God’s hand to waft them up to Heaven free from all trouble from where they will watch the Battle of Armageddon and the destruction of planet earth.
They think that Jesus will strike those who have ravaged His city in Jerusalem. Then he will strike the armies massed in the valley of Armageddon. Blood will stand to the horse’s bridles for a distance of 200 miles from Jerusalem. This whole valley will be filled with war materials, animals, bodies of men, and blood!
Every city of the world will be destroyed – London, Paris, Tokyo, New York, Los Angles, and Chicago – obliterated!
Born again Christians will have the good fortune to escape all the suffering of nuclear holocaust, because God will cause them to be taken up alive into the Heavens before the Battle of Armageddon takes place, where they will have a grandstand view of everyone else being destroyed! Christ will descend and ‘snatch away’ his true followers. This belief is not actually any part of the teachings of Jesus, but is based on a couple of verses of St Paul’s, namely, First Thessalonians 4:16-17.
It is a strange mix, for most of these ‘born again’ so-called Christians seem to have a very hearty dislike of Jews. They are only really using them as a means to an end. Needless to say, they have an extremely hearty dislike of Muslims, who have inconveniently somehow got themselves in the way of the whole thing.
This increasingly common form of Christian extremism in The United States had virtually nothing to do with the Christianity people had grown up with. There is a new religious cult that listens to the TV evangelists and gives them millions of dollars each week to expound the fundamentals of the cult.
The insistence that ‘born again’ Christians are the only righteous persons and that all others who disagree in any detail are unbelievers, and will be condemned to Hellfire, is a very prominent feature of the Christian fundamentalism today.
This doctrine pervades Assemblies of God, Pentecostal, and other charismatic churches, as well as southern Baptist, Independent Baptist, and countless so called Bible Churches and mega-churches. At least one out of every ten Americans is a devotee of this cult.
This emotional movement which is not related to authentic Christianity in the least is brought about by hypnotic fiery sermons and religiously seductive music appealing to simple pious people.
Thus it is a simple matter for fascinating preachers, money-grubbing pastors, hypocritical dervishes and cunning traders of religion to take full advantage of the popular relish for esoteric matters, miracles, supernatural performances, inspired dreams and prophecies. It can all too easily be seen that simple pious people can be led into accepting every new fantasy. It all appeal strongly to those who want to feel they are on the ‘inside’ of a group, with secrets, profound knowledge and revelations.
If we talk about Islam in comparison, we say that Islam is not simply the name of a religion, the followers of which are called Muslims. The word ‘Islam’ is an Arabic word which in relation to religion means submission. In simple words Islam means submission to Allah and to follow the instructions conveyed by the Prophet of one’s time e.g.Islam at the time of Abraham (peace be upon him) was to obey the orders of Allah and to follow the instructions of the Prophet Abraham. Islam at the time of Moses was to obey the orders of Allah and to follow the instructions of the Prophet Moses. Islam at the time of Jesus was to obey the orders of Allah and to follow the instructions of the Prophet Jesus. In the same manner, Islam after the arrival of the last Prophet Muhammad is to obey the orders of Allah and to follow the instructions of the Prophet Muhammad.
Who is a Muslim? A Muslim is not a name of a particular group but an Arabic word for one who submits to the concept of Islam (as mentioned above), also known as ‘Believers’ e.g. In the era of Prophet Moses, people who followed him, believed in all the Prophets and Revelations before him and obeyed the orders of Allah were Muslims. In the era of Prophet Jesus, people who followed him, believed in all the Prophets and Revelations before him and obeyed the orders of Allah were Muslims. In the same manner, after the arrival of the last Prophet Muhammad, people who followed him, believed in all the Prophets and Revelations before him and obeyed the orders of Allah are known as Muslims.
Who is a Non-Muslim: Those who do not submit to the concept of Islam are known as Non-Muslims or Disbelievers e.g. The followers of Moses were Muslims when they followed him and obeyed the orders of Allah, but when some of them denied the prophet-hood of Jesus who came after Moses and whatever was revealed upon him, they fell in the category of non-muslims, as they breached the concept of Islam. Those who accepted Jesus and what was revealed upon him, remained Muslims. Similarly the followers of Jesus were Muslims when they followed him and obeyed the orders of Allah, but when some of them denied the prophet-hood of Muhammad who came after Jesus and the revelation which he brought, they fell in the category of non-muslims, as they breached the concept of Islam. Those who accepted Muhammad and the revelation which he brouhgt, remained Muslims. In the same manner the followers of Muhammad are Muslims since they follow him and obey the orders of Allah, but if they deny the prophet-hood of any Prophet before Muhammad whether it is of Jesus, Moses or any other, or deny any of the previous Revelations, or give the status of Prophet to anyone after the last Prophet Muhammad then they will fall in the category of non-Muslims.
Note: Prophet Muhammad was the last Prophet in the religion of Islam because he declared that he is the last Prophet and that there will be no prophet after him. On the other hand Jesus was not the last Prophet because he did not declare that he is the last one and neither warned that there will ne no prophet after him. In fact he told his followers that there will be a Prophet after him whose name will be Ahmad, which is the second name of Muhammad.
How did People Deviate: When it comes to religion, there are two types of groups which are present at all times. One group comprises of people who do not want to believe in religion and deliberately distort the truth to misguide others for their vested interests. They have gone to the extent of exterminating individuals and altering the text of scriptures to fufill their selfish desires. While the other group comprises of people whose intentions are not bad but their deviation from the right track is due to lack of research in finding the truth about religion and blind passion for their scholars and forefathers. People in this group have gone to an extreme which has made them deaf regarding listening to anything else apart from what their scholars or forefathers tell them.
Take for example the followers of Moses. There were some who altered the scripture i.e. Torah while others never accepted Jesus as a Prophet and adhered to the way of their scholars and forefathers.
Same is true regarding followers of Jesus as there were some who altered the scripture i.e. Bible while others never accepted Muhammad as a Prophet and adhered to the way of their scholars and forefathers. This did not change even after the arrival of the last Prophet Muhammad.
Some of his followers committed the same old mistakes which were done earlier by followers of previous Prophets. Some raised pseudo prophets to fufill their selfish desires where some twisted the interpretation of the last revelation i.e. Qur’an. They could not alter the text of the Qur’an as Allah made it impossible for them to do so. While some denied the traditions of the Prophet, others blindly followed their personal choice of scholars and the way of their forefathers, rather than following the Prophet which they themselves claim they believe in. Thus leading to various factions which we see nowadays.
based on the above let’s talk about apostasy.
A person commits apostasy (irtidad) or becomes an apostate (murtadd) if he describes himself a Muslim and then at a later time takes one of the following actions in a public way:
1) Converts to another religion, e.g. becomes a Christian or Buddhist or Baha`i etc.
2) Rejects a part of the Qur`an after recognizing it to be a part of the Qur`an.
If a Muslim expresses his disbelief openly and insists on that, then he is considered as an apostate.
It is interesting to denote that the Qur`an refers to apostasy several times and yet does not prescribe any punishment for it.
…And if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their worke will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein forever (Al-Baqarah, 217).
Those who reject faith, and die rejecting – on them is Allah’s curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind; they will abide therein (in Hell): their penalty will not be lightened, no respite shall be given them (Al-Baqarah 161, 162).
how shall Allah guide those who reject faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Messenger was true and that clear signs had come unto them? But Allah guides not a people unjust.
Of such the reward is that on them (rests) the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all mankind (Al-Imran 86, 87).
As we see here Allah has not prescribed for apostasy a death penalty, but his punishment for such crime in the Hereafter is severe. This is why some of the Muslim scholars prescribed death as a penalty for apostasy.
The koran expects us to deal with apostates like other disbelievers. We should then treat apostates according to the degree of friendship or hostility they show to Islam and Muslims.
To expalain this more, we can divide apostates into three categories and see how each category is to be treated:
1) An apostate leaves Islam because of ignorance of Islam or some confusion that leads him to think that his new religion or way is truer and better. Such a person will be willing to listen to the Muslims if they want to show him that he has made a mistake. The Muslims should treat him kindly and argue with him in the best possible way.
Call thou to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good admonition, and dispute with them in the better way. Surely thy Lord knows very well those who are guided.
But Muslims should be careful not to show him more kindness than they show to other Muslims, for, otherwise the apostate may be encouraged to stay an apostate.
2) An apostate leaves Islam, not out of a belief that he is moving to something truer and better, but to satisfy some of his worldly desires, e. g., to get greater importance or more comfortable life or greater acceptance of his lifestyle such as homosexual lifestyle. A sign of such an apostate is that he shows little inclination to listen to any reasoning. If such an apostate does not engage in any hostile activity against Islam and Muslims, he should not be subjected to any active hostility. But since he has clearly preferred unbelief over belief the following commandment of God will apply:
O you who believe! Do not take for friends and allies (even) your fathers and your brothers if they love disbelief more than faith: if any of you do so, they are the wrong doers. (9:23).
3) The third type of apostate is one who leaves Islam and then engages in hostile actions against Islam and Muslims, e.g. knowingly engages in propaganda against Islam and Muslims blatantly ignoring facts that he is expected to know well, passes secrets to the enemy, takes part in fighting against the Muslims. Such an apostate can be punished by anything from exile to death.
In all cases apostates are cursed as we saw in the verses above, and await them a severe torment in Hell Fire for eternity.
It is also unacceptible in the sight of Allah and the believers that a Muslim who once was a monotheist believing in the Oneness of Allah (Islamic monotheism) – the only religion Allah sent all His prophets with – then convert to a distorted religion (contemporary Christianity), which believes in man-made fictitious dogmas as exemplyfied by Trinity, Jesus being God or son of God, vicarious atonement, cricifixion and original sins.
Sorry Richard, but this is our religion, strict and very straightforward. We frankly don’t care if you or the rest of you believe in what we say because guidance comes from Allah. But we do care about promulgating the Message. If you believe in it, it is for your own gain, if not, it is for your own loss.
But from the moment you knew the truth, you are responsible for it before Allah. He will charge you with the fact that you knew the truth but insisted of rejecting it.
Richard: Your comment on my words “unreasonable attack” that they are merely rational arguments pointing out that Islam is false, full of violence, preaches hate, supremacy, war, deceit, inequality bla, bla, bla, must not be addressed to me, but to your Lord on the Day of Resurrection, and see what His response would be! If you don’t repent and follow the right religion of Islam, I assure you that your abode will be Hell Fire for eternity.
Richard
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy “Muslims all over the world have been tremendously oppressed by this unreasonable attack on Islam. ”
The “unreasonable attack” are merely rational arguments pointing out that Islam is false, full of violence, preaches hate, supremacy, war, deceit, inequality.
When these arguments with the evidence is pointed out to Muslims, they perceive it as an “unreasonable attack” on them.
They then feel “tremendously oppressed” and respond with killing, kidnapping, raping their downtrodden, discriminated, defenceless minorities and bombing killing non-Muslims wherever they can find them.
This violence for argument becomes a reasonable attack for the Muslims.
Why is your brain so rigid and warped Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy?
John Houk
Mr. Warner I am certain have addressed thoughts as presented by Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy; nonetheless please address Dr. El-Gundy specifically so that his comment is not used as a misinformation statement to contradict you.
Richard
PS Dr Mohsen El-Guindy what I think is the most important part of Farhan Qureshi’s testimony (the former very local and active debater for Islam)
“Perhaps the most important realization I have come to is that I would receive the death penalty under Shariah law for simply coming to these conclusions or realizations. This disturbs me to the core and demonstrates how the Ummah uses fear tactics under its Shariah system in order to preserve and strengthen their theological and political agenda.”
How do you justify the death sentence for apostasy Dr Mohsen El-Guindy?
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Bill Warner says: “The apologists and Muslims contend that the only other view of Islam is that of contemptible bigots, who are driven by the usual demons of hate and prejudice. So all the “good” people, the Muslims and their defenders, gave lectures on the beautiful truth of Islam and how to deal with the “bad” people who oppose Islam. The “good” people have the view that there is there the truth of Islam and the rest of the world is morally corrupt.”
The enemies of Islam have their lowly means to atack Islam. They are clever in hiding the truth by hiding facts, and provocations made by the Islamophob hate mongers. They start the fight (burning the Koran, slandering the prophet, claiming that Allah is a monkey god or the god of the moon etc) and when they get a strong response, they yell and shout, “See, how Muslims are attacking us?”
Bull warner amazes me when he says that Muslims do not accept the other opinion of non-Muslims about Islam. I wonder, what other opinion the non-Muslims have against Islam? Do they have other opinions aiming at understanding Islam? I see nothing but insolence and impudence. I see nothing but deliberate provocation. I see a clear agenda against Islam behind which stand a hostile media and websites launching volleys of insults and hatred.
Now let’s see the other opinion Bill Warner is talking about.
Decades before the event of September 11, in Time Magazine, (April 16, 1979 issue), Edward Said reported that “over 60,000 books have been written against Islam by the Christian West.”
One of the major skepticism against Islam revolves on the personality of the Prophet Mohammad – peace be upon him – and his great mission to mankind. Without substantial evidence or sensible explanation to defy the rational beliefs of the Muslims, those critics brand the Prophet as an “imposter” and likewise claim that “he is the author of the Holy Koran”. They also question the authenticity of the prophet’s Sunnah (his sayings and deeds). These claims and fabrications are absolutely unfounded.
In America the so-called Christian leaders lie about Islam. On their television stations, in school curricula, through their think tanks and in the national newspapers they lie so big, and loud, and so often that many people assume they must be telling the truth. At evey opportunity they cease not to fabricate false and defamatory image of Islam.
Even long before the event of September 11, the media in the western world and particularly in America was still overwhelmed by the tendency to portray a distorted image of Islam. The attack on Islam was frequently launched by several Christians who insist on calling Muslims “heretics”, “idle-minded”, “devil worshipers”, “irreligious”.
These misconceptions are inculcated in the minds of Christian children by priests, whose real purpose is to distract their young and inquisitive brains. These interceptive activities are fed with the slanderous propaganda that the Islamic religion embodies aspects disagreeable with modern civilization.
For example, on October 2, 1985 – long before the event of September 11 – the Christian Evangelist Jimmy Swaggart, whose television show appears on hundreds of stations across North America, attacked the Holy Koran by saying that it contained “absurdities, contradictions and outright foolishness.” Swaggart while launching such impudent accusations against Islam seemed to forget that he was severely crushed by the Islamic scholar Ahmad Deedat in their universal debate regarding Islam and Christianity.
A Christian preacher called Peter S. Ruckman launched a series of impudence and obscenity against Allah, the Lord of Creation; Muhammad, the seal of the Prophets, and the Koran, the last divine revelation to mankind. Ruckman called the Prophet the foulest names imaginable.
In a Christian journal called “Bible believer’s Baptist” dated July, 2001, under the title “The Noble Koran vs. The Holy Scriptures (Rom. 1:2)”, Ruckman claimed that he read the Koran more than thirty times and became fully aware of its contents. His supposed comprehension and intelligence came up however with the following impudence:
“The Koran was dictated by an illiterate Arab through a period of about twenty-three years. He was a fleshy, sensual epileptic who often went into frenzies and foamed at the mouth like a camel”.At fifty-two years he married a nine-year-old and added her to his thirteen-wife harem, he left nine widows at his death and went to a Paradise where he could get a score of beautiful, black-eyed virgins added to his fourteen “legit” wives”.I have overstated nothing and slandered no one. This demoniac “rag head” encouraged killing all Christians and Jews; in obedience, his followers practiced mutilation and torture of prisoners, the killing of the males, the concubinage of their wives, and the enslavement of their children. Since Muhammad was primarily interested in sex and violence (a TV setup) he threw the New Testament out of the tent flap as soon as he saw it, for it did not recommend polygamy and even advised against it.”
Right after the terrorist attacks on September 11, many high-ranking leaders of the religious right in America have been quite vocal attacking Islam, the Koran and Prophet Muhammad in the public square. With a few exceptions, American columnists, intellectuals and political leaders have encouraged this hate campaign with their silence.
Muslims viewed Bush’s silence as complicity with the Christian right. In this political climate of hate and intolerance, Muslims asserted the existence of a political alliance between the American administration and the religious Christian right that was at that time shaping the American foreign policy.
Ministers and pastors of the religious right have begun to stigmatize Islam, attacking everything that Muslims hold sacred and dear.
Social conservative leader Paul Weyrich said, “Islam is at war against us” and that it is not a “religion of peace and tolerance like Judaism or Christianity.”
Political neo-conservatives have taken up the attack on Islam as well. Kenneth Adelman, who served on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy board, said: “The more you examine Islam, the more militaristic it seems”its founder, Muhammad, was a warrior, not a peace advocate like Jesus.”
Eliot Cohen, also on the Defense Policy Board said that the enemy is not terrorism but “militant Islam.”
Norman Podhoretz wrote in Commentary magazine, “There is something in the religion (Islam) itself that legitimizes the likes of Osama bin Laden.”
At about 39 minutes into a 2002-Nov-10 broadcast, Jimmy Swaggart referred to the Prophet Muhammad as a “sex deviant,” “Pervert,” and “pedophile.” He also called for the expulsion of all Muslim university students in the United States and for profiling of airline passengers with a diaper on their head and a fan-belt around their waist. Of American Muslims, Swaggart said: “We ought to tell every other Muslim living in this nation that if you say one word, you are gone.”
Franklin Graham is one of the America’s most powerful Christian leaders. He is the President of the Samaritan’s Purse, a Christian relief organization. Franklin said, “We are not attacking Islam but Islam has attacked us. The God of Islam is not the same God. He is not the son of God of the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It is a different God and I believe it is a very evil and wicked religion.”
In his prepared statement, which he sent to the Observer, Graham said: “It is not my calling to analyze Islam or any other religions, though I recognize that all religions have differences. In the past, I have expressed my concerns about the teachings of Islam regarding the treatment of women and the killing of non-Muslims or infidels.”
“I don’t believe this is a wonderful, peaceful, religion,” said Graham. “When you read the Koran and you read the verses from the Koran, it instructs the killing of the infidel, for those that are non-Muslims.”
News Channel and the main actors were the foul mouthed racial bigot, Pat Robertson and his interviewers, Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes. The program was an example of how the network promotes anti-Muslim hate. On that program, host Sean Hannity seemed to encourage televangelist Pat Robertson in his venomous attack on Islam and on Prophet Muhammad.
About Muhammad Robertson said:” This man was an absolute wild-eyed fanatic, he was a robber and a brigand. And to say that these terrorists distort Islam, they are carrying out Islam. I mean, this man [Muhammad] was a killer. And to think that this is a peaceful religion is fraudulent.”
Robertson also called Islam “a monumental scam.” He also went on to say that Islam “is not a peaceful religion that wants to co-exist. They want to co-exist until they can control, dominate and then, if need be, destroy.”
About the Koran Robertson said: “The Koran is strictly a theft of Jewish theology.”
Ironically, it is worth mentioning that a Christian American converted to Islam after listening to the preaching of Pat Robertson and his peer Jimmy Swaggart. Their senseless preaching made her embrace Islam!
She said:
“I have watched Pat Robertson on the 700 Club and I listened to televangelist Rev. Jimmy Swaggart. I watched programs on the Trinity Broadcasting Network. All the while hoping that one of the ministers would say something that would click in my mind, and I would finally know, ‘Yes, there really is God!’ None of them ever said anything that caused that connection to happen, though many said things that confused me even more. Earlier this year I began to listen to the apocalyptic ramblings of Christian radio’s ‘prophecy experts’. Their paranoid espousal of various conspiracy theories, rabid support of Israel and religious Zionism, and fiery preaching about the ‘Islamic threat’ held for me a strange fascination. Why? Well, I suppose it was simply the need I was feeling to fill the void within me. In any case I soon found that the beliefs these evangelists held, such as infallibility of God’s word, and original sin was not in agreement with my theological ideas. I couldn’t understand how babies could be born with original sin? I began to look for something else to hold onto.”
Benny Hinn proclaimed to thousands of Christians at the American Airline Center in Dallas, Texas: “We are on God’s side. This is not a war between Arabs and Jews. It is a war between God and the devil.” Several conservative ministers from the Dallas area, who shared the podium, clapped and nodded their approval. Later a few of them said the line between Christians and Muslims is the difference between good and evil.
In an interview broadcast on the American news show 60 minutes on October 6, 2002 the deceased Jerry Falwell spoke about Islam and its Prophet Muhammad. In the interview with CBS correspondent Bob Simon, Falwell stated that after reading about Islam, he was forced to conclude that Muhammad “was a violent man, a man of war.”
“Jesus set the example for love, as did Moses,” Falwell says. “I think Muhammad set an opposite example.”
Bob Simon asked Falwell directly if he considered Muhammad to be a terrorist and he replied that yes, he did believe that the Prophet was a terrorist. He stressed in the interview that this was his personal opinion and that he would never voice this opinion in a sermon or book. Falwell has also previously labeled the Prophet of Islam a pedophile possessed by the devil.
Reverend Jerry Vines, speaking at an annual church conference in Saint Louis, Missouri, attacked Prophet Muhammad and said: “the man who founded Islam had 12 wives, the last of which was nine-year-old girl.”
Vines claimed in the speech that many of America’s problems could be blamed on religious pluralism.
“Pluralists would have us to believe that Islam is just as good as Christianity, but I am here to tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that Islam is not just as good as Christianity,” said Vines.
“And I will tell you Allah is not Jehovah either. Jehovah’s not going to turn you into a terrorist that’ll try to bomb people and take the lives of thousands of people,” he continued.
During Vine’s address missionaries handed out green ribbons to encourage Baptists to pray for Muslims’ conversion to Christianity.
Italy’s Oriana Fallaci churns out best sellers depicting Islam as a backward creed of thugs.
Republican Tom Tancredo said that the US might “take out (Muslim) holy sites” in response to another terrorist attack on the US. When asked if he meant Makkah, he responded “yeah”.
Lieutenant General William Boykin, Deputy Undersecretary for Defense and War Fighting Support, called the US army a “Christian” army and referred to Muslim fighters as “satanically inspired”. “We in the army of God, in the house of God, kingdom of God, have been raised for such a time as this,” he said. Boykin referred to Muslim fighters as America’s “spiritual enemy” that, “will only be defeated if we come against them in the name of Jesus”. This evangelical Christian labeled Allah, the Lord of creation, as nothing more than an “idol”.
Recalling a Muslim fighter in Somalia who said US forces would never get him because Allah would give him protection, Boykin said, “Well, you know what I knew, that my God is bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol.”
Boykin’s statements came in speeches – some made in uniform – at evangelical Christian churches.
Donald Rumsfield praised Boykin’s military record then claimed: “There are a lot of things that are said by people in the military or civilian life, or in the Congress, or in the executive branch that are their own views,” Rumsfeld said. “That’s the way we live. We are free people.”
Creighton Lovelace, pastor of Daniel town Baptist Church in Rutherford County, N.C. put a sign in front of his church saying “The Koran needs to be flushed.” The sign was an apparent reference to a Newsweek article that alleged that U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, had placed copies of Islam’s Holy Book in washrooms and had flushed one down the toilet to get inmates to talk.
These are not the words of some outcast group, but rather influential leaders within America.
Such nonsense is not confined to evangelical Christians. The anti-Muslim Zionist Islamophobe, Daniel Pipes rails against all things Islamic. Daniel Pipes is the Director of the Middle East Forum, an organization devoted to strengthening links between the U.S. and Israel. Pipes has a long documented history of attacking Islam. Daniel Pipes has called Islam a religion with nothing functional to offer. Writing in the Jerusalem Post in May 2000, Pipes said: “The Koran is not a product of Muhammad or even of Arabia but a collection of earlier Judeo-Christian liturgical materials stitched together to meet the need of a later age”A few scholars go even further, doubting even the existence of Muhammad.”
Daniel Pipes, argues that Muslims have a legal compulsion to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of non-Muslims. He says their goal is “nothing less than to achieve Muslim domination over the entire world.”
Among his forged and prejudiced words about Muslims and Islam I quote:
“All Muslims unfortunately are subject of being militant.”
“If Muslims have jobs in the military, law enforcement, or diplomacy, they need to be watched for connection to terrorism.”
“All immigrants bring exotic customs and attitudes, but Muslim customs are more troublesome than most.”
“American Muslims intend to mount a second American revolution, and impose Islamic law.
The Islamic world is sick of the senseless, fictitious and forged arguments and lectures of Daniel Pipes about Islam. Concealing the truth by covering it with falsehood, showed clearly that the poor man had no views of his own. He is but a plaything in the hand of Zionist organizations. He is but a parrot repeating the words of the Israeli government, the neoconservatives, the Christian right, the Judeo-Christian coalition, and the ugly words of Pat Robertson and his peers. The man is simply implementing the agenda of these groups against the Muslim World. These groups and coalitions are but one fabric, and the poor guy is their trumpet blowing the issues of their agenda against the Palestinians, Islam and its adherents.
To Muslims, the Koran is a sacred Book that should never be dropped, defiled or ridiculed. Muslim captives at the Guantanamo Bay prison said that guards kicked and stomped on the Koran and cursed Allah, and that American interrogators punished them by taking away their pants, knowing that would prevent them from praying. Guards also mocked captives at prayers and censored Islamic books. In one incident a prison barber cut a cross-shaped patch of hair on an inmate’s head.
The military police threw the copies of the Koran on the ground, stomping on them with their feet, and tossing them into buckets and areas used as latrines. According to Newsweek magazine, a military guard at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, flushed a copy of the Koran down a toilet. Guard’s mishandling and mistreatment of the Koran led the prisoners to launch a hunger strike. The strike ended only when military leaders issued an apology to the detainees over the camp loudspeaker.
They tore the Koran to pieces in front of us, threw it into the toilet.” Former detainee Aryat Vahitov told Russian television in June 2004.
This disrespect of the Koran occurred with the full knowledge of how much these actions will hurt a Muslim emotionally.
According to a New York Times book Review of “Torture and Truth” by Mark Danner: “One Muslim inmate was allegedly forced to eat pork, had liquor forced down his throat and told to thank Jesus that he was alive. He recounted in broken English:
“They stripped me naked, they asked me, ‘Do you pray to Allah?’ I said, ‘Yes.’ They said ‘F—you’ and ‘F—him.'”
Later, this inmate recounts: “Someone else asked me, ‘Do you believe in anything?’ I said to him, ‘I believe in Allah.’
So he said, ‘but I believe in torture and I will torture you.'”
According to Newsweek: ‘interrogators, in an attempt to rattle suspects, flushed a Koran down a toilet and led a detainee around with a collar and dog leash.’
In 1997, still a cardinal, Pope Benedict wasn’t particularly optimistic: Islam features “a very marked subordination of woman to man,” he says in his interview book “Salt of the Earth”:” Islam simply does not have the separation of the political and religious sphere that Christianity has had from the beginning.”
Just a few months before being elected Pope, Benedict spoke out against predominantly – Muslim Turkey’s candidacy to join the European Union, insisting that Europe is defined by Christian values. His views of religious fundamentalism, regardless of the faith, are also worthy of note: “Faith was intended precisely for the simple,” he says in ‘Salt of the Earth’. But “the quest for certainty and simplicity becomes dangerous when it leads to fanaticism and narrow-mindedness. When reason as such becomes suspect, then faith itself becomes falsified.”
When Benedict was elected Pope in 2005, he put the crown on his head and sat proudly on the throne of the Catholic Church. He looked up and down, right and left, and saw Christendom as rock-like and perfectly stable. No chaos or problems facing his reign, everything is in order and in place. He didn’t see that Christendom is disintegrating and falling asunder into a mass of warring sects. He saw instead Islam as his chief rival faith. Instead of promoting harmony between the two faiths he unwisely rushed into danger by attacking Islam and sowing dissension between the two religions.
The Pope made his remarks on Islam in a speech at the University of Regensburg. He quoted from a book in which 14th-century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel II Paleologos was having a conversation with a Persian about truths of Christianity and Islam.
“The emperor comes to speak about the issue of Jihad, holy war.” Benedict said.” I quote, ‘Show me what Mohammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'”
By citing an obscure medieval text that falsely characterizes the teachings of Islam’s founder as ‘evil and inhuman,’ Benedict deviated from wisdom and acquired the enmity of the Islamic world in a glimpse without reason. By citing the Koran as an obstacle, Benedict rebuffed massive outreach efforts of Muslims.
In 2007, at the end of the holy month of Ramadan, 138 high-level Muslim leaders and scholars representing 1.3 billion Muslims worldwide sent a 29-page letter entitled “A Common Word Between Us and You” to leaders of major Christian denominations. The letter calls for religious tolerance, dialogue and understanding. The letter was welcomed by various Christian leaders and institutions, and was well received by the Baptist World Alliance and the Most Rev. Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury, Britain.
However, Pope Benedict’s reaction was negative, and arrogant. He chose to close the door to an idea which was very dear to his predecessor, Pope John Paul II, who, when the Koran was presented to him, bowed and kissed it. Pope John Paul II wouldn’t have done such an unusual act out of curtsy or compliment, but because he knew without doubt that the Koran which he bowed reverently to kiss, is the true Word of Allah, and the last divine Revelation to mankind.
The Pope did not only show enmity to Muslims, but also to other Christian sects when he announced that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church before God.
Benedict thinks his religion alone is consistent with reason. He doesn’t see that in Christendom there is an angry shout calling for reform.
Pope Benedict must understand that in Islam there is no Vatican, no papacy, no sainthood, no priesthood, no Christian leaders, no present day miracles, and no spiritual healing of the sick. In Islam there are no holy persons who give themselves the right to talk about other religions in contempt. In Islam no one is infallible. Muhammad, Jesus, Moses and all prophets are not divine but humans. Benedict is just an ordinary person like any other person who must guard himself against a severe torment in the Hereafter if he transgresses his limit and talks evil about the Prophet of Islam and Allah’s last divine revelation to mankind. Talking without knowledge and without authority about Islam usually brings the wrath of Allah on those who fight His seal of the prophets and His last divine Book to mankind. The Koran reveres the authentic Gospel of Jesus and the authentic Torah of Moses, and all other Prophets, and do not insult them.
Pope Benedict had the nerve to attack the Prophet of Islam by borrowing words claiming that what Muhammad brought was evil and inhuman, and nothing new, and that Islam was spread by the sword. Pope Benedict seems to forget that he will be responsible for his actions before Allah. His arrogance left him open to charges of rebellion against Allah’s last Word to His servants, the Koran, and against His seal of the prophets, Muhammad peace be upon him. Allah would certainly charge him with such grievous sin.
There is absolutely nothing that could be hidden from Allah, be it on earth or in the heaven. Allah is swift in calling to account.
What would Benedict say to Allah were he to meet Him after death? Allah will question him: “Was it at Allah and His verses, and His Messenger that you were mocking?”
Allah says in the Koran about those who ridicule His Book and the Prophet of Islam:
Was it at Allah and His verses and His Messenger that you were mocking? (At-Tawba, 65).
The slanderers of Islam and its Prophet have claimed that they are simply exercising their rights of freedom of speech, opinion and belief. Some in Europe are proudly – actually, arrogant – proclaiming that they have the right to insult God if they want to. Well, this type of democracy or freedom is worthless for Muslims. Muslims will never accept this kind of humiliation. There is no better motivation to get someone to fight an apparent enemy than to threaten what they love most and are willing to defend at any cost – whether it is their religion, their family, or their holy land.
Freedom of speech is necessary but only as long as it does not promote hatred and does not contain serious distortions of the truth.
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his category of Christian bigots although are completely ignorant of the Islamic law, Islamic jurisprudence, Islamic doctrine, and philology of the Arabic language, give themselves the right to interpret the Koran the distorted way they desire to demonstrate to their followers. Very strict requirements are needed for a person to become a Koran commentator and discuss its theological and legal issues. A person must be well versed in several disciplines known as “the sciences of the Koran”. Interpretation of the Koran comprises a vast body of knowledge representing all the major basics of Islamic theology and law since the classical period (7th century to 10th century). Given the nature of written Arabic, the sciences of the Koran extend to the study of grammar, lexicography, and history.
Based on total ignorance of the rules of Islam, they slander the religion by fabricating lies. They forward false evidences to persuade their people that the Koran is phony and not the Word of Allah. They open hostilities against the Koran without knowledge. They wage war against the Word of Allah without authority.
The rhetoric of the Christian hate mongers about Islam is certainly anti-Christ teachings. They don’t even follow the teachings of their religion. As it shows, it never crossed their mind that Allah is aware of the things they do. He but gives them respite up to a Day when the eyes will stare in horror.
It is indeed sad to see that the enmity and blind hatred the Christian leaders show to Islam have deviated them from the real issue, the issue of disintegration and fast approaching death of Christianity in her own independent and prosperous homelands. It is evident that nothing else than the inherent defects and shortcomings of Christianity have been responsible for its downfall. Today Christianity proved absolutely impotent in satisfying the demands of sane and rational thought. One would clearly notice how mortally wounded stands Christianity as a real world religion and a rival of Islam.
The slanderers of Islam have piled up the good things of this life, and think they have got plenty of helpers and protectors but all these are of no use. On the contrary, their penalty will be tremendous to correspond with their evil attack on Islam. When they read the verses of the Koran their vanity blows malicious mockery. Such like persons shall suffer multiple humiliation and mortifying punishment. Hell awaits them and asserts them as her own and shall beset them on all sides. There and then nothing they earned, accomplished or gained in the present life will be of advantage to them.
And upon the Day of Resurrection you shall see those who lied against Allah, their faces blackened; is there not in Hell lodging for those that are proud?
And Allah shall deliver those that were god-fearing to their places of success (Paradise); evil shall not visit them, neither shall they sorrow (Az-Zumar 60-61).
Islam is a Message of peace, and Muhammad is the Prophet of mercy to all mankind. Correlating Islam with violence and terrorism is outrageous and insulting. Only ignorant persons would make such remarks. They ignore the barbarism that was displayed by Christian armies during the Crusades to retake Jerusalem, or the cruelty with which the Spanish inquisition treated the Muslims and Jews of Spain, or the millions of Christians killed by Napoleon Bonaparte and Hitler in wars; and what about the millions of Christians killed along the centuries by the popes of the Catholic Church because they opposed the catholic religion. The scoffers at Islam overlook the fact that Islam arrived in Malaysia, Indonesia, India, China and the Philippines through good conduct, commerce and trade, not war. How about the overwhelming expansion of Islam in America and Europe in contemporary age without a sword!
A terrorist is the one who assaults civilians, their property, their freedom and human dignity; demolishes their houses; besieges their villages; confiscate their earnings. Isn’t that what America is doing in Iraq, and the Israelis to the Palestinians in the West bank and Gaza, backed of course with a blind support from America!
One can respond to rational arguments with an honest and straightforward rational discussion. However, there is no real response to something that is meant only to ridicule, insult or harm.
If non-Muslims want to debate and discuss the real issues of religion and belief, Muslims are more than ready to do that. If they resort to defamation and ridicule, then they should not be surprised if they are in turn responded with hatred and disrespect.
The normal expected reaction from Muslims when their Koran and Prophet are attacked by Christians is to slander Jesus and debase his Gospel, but Muslims wouldn’t dare hurt, humiliate, stultify, or slander Jesus or his Gospel. Muslims could not reply in kind, since they are told by the Koran to revere Jesus as a Holy Prophet, and to respect his Gospel as a divine Book.
The Christians usually claim that Muslims do not understand that “God is love” and that one should love one’s enemy, thus they should be at the forefront of putting an end to such harmful statements and defamation of the Prophet of Islam and the Koran. These shameful acts certainly do not demonstrate grace and love.
Muslims are sickened and disgusted at hearing these malicious attacks but they are not in the least discouraged. Whenever Islam has faced adversity, Muslims have remained patient, with unwavering faith in its teachings, believing in the certainty that truth will, sooner or later, triumph.
Ever since the beginning of Islam, Christian and Jewish places of worship have been protected in countries with Muslim majorities.
If America is tolerant to religious extremism, one would hear within the public square criticism of extremists of all faiths. However, we only hear Muslim extremists being condemned.
Thomas Friedman reminded us over and over again that the 19 Muslim men who attacked the WTC and Pentagon came from Egypt and Saudi Arabia. In a tireless manner, he wrote extensively on the “madrassas”, or schools, that teach Muslims to hate non-Muslims. He forgot the hundreds of thousands of American Jews who go settled in Israel and are taught that the Arabs are ‘vermin,’ ‘snakes,’ or ‘evil.’ Baruch Goldstein, an American Jewish citizen, opened fire on Muslim worshippers kneeling in prayer within the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron in 1994, killing 29 instantly and wounding dozens.
There is no shrine honoring bin Laden in Saudi Arabia, but there is a shrine honoring Goldstein in an illegal Jewish settlement in the West Bank, where thousands come annually to honor his “martyrdom”, even from America.
Actually, these Jewish settlers have a strong political and religious relationship with the Christian right leaders who are viciously attacking Islam.
One has to ask: where was Friedman’s pen and all others standing in the same camp, regarding the seminaries within America that produced Goldstein and the nefarious armed Jewish settlers – blindly supported by the Christian right and Judeo-Christian coalition – who believe they have a God-given right to steal Arab land by force?
The Christian right, the neoconservatives and the Judeo-Christian coalition in the U.S. with their antagonistic policies and warmongering individuals support an extremist ideology that is a threat to peace. Their poisonous opinions about Islam are not freedom of speech as they arrogantly claim, but rather blatant racism. Those who stand against Islam are untrue to themselves, and their hearts are deceased. Their hearts are hardened and they deliberately reject light. By their blind arrogance they depress the good and encourage the evil.
Muslims all over the world have been tremendously oppressed by this unreasonable attack on Islam. They invoke Allah day and night to stand by them and defeat the enemies of His last divine book, the Koran, and the seal of His prophets Muhammad – peace be upon him.
The Prophet of Islam said:
“Beware of the invocation of the oppressed as there is no barrier between him and Allah.”
“Beware of oppression, for it will turn into darkness on the Day of Resurrection.”
“A believer is not a slanderer, a curser, an abuser, nor an impudent man.”
“Allah gives respite to an oppressor, but when He takes him to task, he never lets him escape.”
Who does greater evil than those who forge against Allah a lie, in order that they may lead mankind astray without knowledge? The enemies of Islam in their effort to misguide people and divert them from the beneficent purpose of Allah, keep plotting and continue to scheme, But their plots will be of no avail, and Allah’s purpose will prevail.
The forces of evil make an alliance with each other, and seem thus to make a profit by their mutual bargains. But this is only in the material world. When the limited term expires, their vain and false bargains will be exposed, and there will be nothing but regrets.
Richard
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy stop regurgitating the lies that have been fabricated by Muslims to justify the genocide of the Jews in Medina, Mecca and rest of Arabia by Muhammad.
These tales are fabricated by all murderers to put the blame for their crime on the victims.
But through the fabrications of the victor, the truth can still be seen. As admitted by you “Muhammad killed the Jews”. This thing is true, the rest is lies.
There is hope for the intelligent among you. Sir Salman Rushdie, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Farhan Qureshi, to mention just a few among millions of others have left your faith after being convinced it is hateful and false.
We gain intellectuals among our converts you gain murderers in prisons and uneducated and unintelligent buffoons like the shoe bomber Richard Reid and other goons.
The last two (Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Farhan Qureshi) are notable because they were vocal former supporters of radical Islam but were intellectually convinced it was humbug.
Farhan Qureshi till recently was debating for Islam much like you. This is his testimony:
“After years of having been involved in think tanks, advocacy groups, da’wah (invitation or propagation) initiatives and academic apologetics as a Muslim, I have I decided to evolve my perspective of reality and existence as knowledge has reached me and renounce my faith in Islam.
This was a thought out decision that took months of prayer, consideration, evaluation and knowledge-seeking on my part. EVERY BIT AS IT HAS BEEN A SEARCH FOR MEANING AND TRUTH IS HAS BEEN A GRIEVING PROCESS FOR ME TO REALIZE THAT WHAT I HAVE BEEN ATTACHED TO ALL OF THESE YEARS IS IN FACT NOT THE ULTIMATE REALITY BEHIND OUR EXISTENCE.
Nevertheless it is simultaneously liberation and continued enlightenment that brings about serenity and peace of mind for me as well.
My apostasy has not been based on disliking Islam or its requirements rather it was based on a realization that Islam is in direct contradiction with contemporary knowledge involving and including science, philosophy, ethics, anthropology, and the field which I am most interested in, educated in and practice as my line of work, namely, psychology: the science and study of human behavior.”
Search and seek the truth also Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy and renounce those hateful lies.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Bill Warner
Bill says: ‘Muslims contend that the only other view of islam is that of contemptible bigots…
As we see here and elsewhere (Answering Islam – Sam Shamon; Islam watch – Robert Spencer and Pamila Geller; Jhon Terry who burned the Koran; Daniel Pipes – Middle East Forum; Pat Robertson – Club 700; the deceased Jerry Flawell; Franklin Graham; Jimmy Shwaggart; the black Republican in the Congress Allen West who considers Islam as the enemy, and a long chain of Christian bigots) their view of Islam is that of really cotemptible bigots. They think that Muhammad is not a prophet, he was a cruel man killing people, he was a pedophile, he invented the Koran, his god is the god of the moon or a monkey god, Muslims are heretics, they are doomed to Hell etc. For example this site, political Islam is doing nothing but slandering the prophet and discrediting th Koran. The Koran which is the Book of virtues is seen by Political Islam and by hundreds of similar sites as a book of falsehood! I want to see one other view of islam, only one, talking favorably about islam. But you find none.
When the Muslims say: ‘The only other view of Islam is that of bigots” they as a matter of fact has a point.
Muslims view the Qur’an as the final revelation of Allah, a culmination of the Old and New Testaments. Muhammad is the last and greatest of a long line of prophets, including Adam, Abraham, Ishmael, Moses, and Jesus. The Koran portrays each of these prophets as Messengers of Islam. As the Koran teaches Islam is the true faith from which Allah’s people fell away time and time again until the advent of the Prophet. Muhammad came to cleanse the earth from idolatery, polytheism, atheism, disbelief. Muhammad came to re-establish the Message of all Prophets before him, the Message of Tawheed – islamic monotheism. There is no God to be worshipped but Allah, the Creator of the heaven and the earth, mankind, jinn and animals and plants and everything that is upon it.
The mission of Muhammad can therefore be summarized in the following Koranic verses:
Say: ‘ People of the Book! Come now to a word common between us and you, that we serve none but Allah (God), and that we associate not aught with Him, and do not some of us take others as lords, apart from Allah. And if they turn their backs, say: ‘Bear witness that we are Muslims (Al-Imran, 64).
Say: I have been commanded to serve Allah making my religion His sincerely; and I have been commanded to be the first of those that surrender (Az-Zumar, 11).
After the corruption of older revelations, the Koran came to confirm the true and original Message of Allah – Islam. the message that was promulgated by all Prophets before Muhammad – tto surrender completely to the will of Allah and worship him alone without associating with Him any partners. this must be crowned by doing good deeds as mentioned in the Holy Books descended on the prophets of old as well in the Koran the last Testament to the world.
After the corruption of the older revelations (scrolls of Abraham, Psalms of David, Torah of Moses, and the Gospel of Jesus), the Koran comes to confirm the true and original message of the prophets and to guard it, or act as a check to its interpretation. The Koran therefore safeguards, watches over, stands witness, preserves and upholds the original Message. The Koran safeguards the Book, for it has preserved within it the teaching of all the former Books. It watches over these Books in the sense that it will not let tjeir true teachings to be lost. It supports and uphold these Books in the sense that it corroborates the Word of Allah which has remained intact in them. It stands as a witness because it bears testimony to the Word of Allah contained in these Books and helps to sort it out from the interpretations and commentaries of the people which were mixed with it: what is confirmed by the Koran is the Word of Allah and what is against it is that of the people. In other words, it testifies the truth that is therein and falsefies the falsehood that is added therein.
The Koran with its unchangeable nature that miraculously stood the test of time, is therefore a Book of reference which does answer any query in matters disputed among the Jews and the Christians, for it is the umpire of all preceding Scriptures (Torah and Gospel), and the decision that is based on its percepts shall have to be accepted as final.
Allah says in the Koran:
And We have sent down to thee the Book with the truth confirming the Book that was before it and assuring it… (Al-Maidah, 48).
Allah has perfected the religion of Islam for Muslims. He has chosen Islam for them as the acceptable system of faith and worship not only to guide them into all truth but also to make them better men.
The Koran says:
…Today I have perfected your religion for you, and I have completed My blessings upon you, and I have approved Islam for your religion (Al-Maidah, 3).
Total submission to Allah in Islam implies faith, doing right, being an example to others to do right, and having the power to see that the right prevails, eschewing wrong, being an example to others to eschew wrong, and having the power to see that wrong and injustice are defeated. Islam therefore lives not for itself, but for mankind. The people of the Book, if only they had faith, would be Muslims, for their Books prepared them for accepting Islam. The advent of Muhammad was even mentiomed in their Books but they concealed it. Unfortunately there is unfaith, but it can never harm those who carry the banner of faith and Right, which must always be victorious.
Accordingly, sincere Muslims have been the best people that evolved from mankind for mankind; they enjoin equity and they recourse to principles of justice, and they forbid all that is wrongful and obscene and they conform their will to Allah’s blessed will.
Allah says:
You are ther best nation ever brought forth to men, bidding to honor, and forbidding dishonor, and believing in Allah. Had the people of the Book believed, it were better for them; some of them are believers but the most of them are ungodly (Al-Imran, 110).
Islam is not about contradicting and arguing because as we said it is divine and perfect. We listen to the signs of Allah and obey. We don’t argue or dispute, but totally submit. The Koran is all logic and rational, we apply its rules, prohibitions and commands because they are the road to Paradise.
Allah says in His last Testament:
The Messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and the believers; each one believes in Allah, and His angels, and in His Books and His Messengers; we make no division between anuone of his Messengers. They say, ‘We hear and obey’. Our Lord, gtrant us Thy forgiveness; unto Thee is the homecoming.’ (Al-Baqarah, 285).
Allah does’nt like those who dispute about His signs and verses. he expressed many parables in the Koran to bring the infidels to their senses but man has always been known to raise captions and frivollous objections about most things and tries to find fault unfairly and without good reason.
As we read in the Koran:
I have indeed turned about for men in this Koran every manner of similitude; man is the most disputatious of things (Al-Kahf, 54).
And who is more wrong-headed and wrongful of action than he who visciously and cheaply relates to Allah falsehood and dismisses the truth when it is presented to him. Is there not in hell an abode for those who deny Allak and disobey His statutes!
The Koran says;
but who does greater evil than he who lies against Allah and cries lies to the very truth when it comes to him? Is there not i gehenna (Hell Fire) a lodging for the unbelievers? (Az-Zumar, 32).
Bill Warner says: ‘Muhammad’s attitude about jews is that the Jewish women were sold into slavery and 800 jewish males were beheaded. Medina was cleansed of Jews.
Scientifically, and ethically, and also historically, Bill Warner should have mentioned the reason behind the battles of Muhammad with the Jews. But he just concentrated on the act of killing and deliberately concealed the reasons behind it. That what we Muslims call despicable bigotry, blind hatred and historical dihonesty.
before esplaining the reasons behind the battles of Muhammad with the Jews, the whole world must know that Muhammad was not a weak Prophet. Because his task was tremendously difficult, Allah provided him with might, and power, and with angels to fight with him his battles. In several occasions Allah has also ordered him to take strict and sometimes drastic decisions in order to promulgate the Last Testament to the world.
Muhammad was not a prophet that turns the other sheek to his enemies but to treat them the same way they treated him. There is no way for compromise here, the last Message to the world must be sincerely and completely promulgated because the next appointment will not be with another Prophet, but with Allah where Paradise awaits the believers and an eternal life in Hell awaits the disbelievers.
In this connection I want to mention that the Old Testament is full of violent verses ordering the Prophets of the Children of Israel to kill and take captives, the killing even extended to include women, children and the elderly! The New Testament is no different. Why then insisting that the Koran is a violent religion? This in fact is religious racism.
Now let’s look at the facts regarding Muhammad and the jews.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) decided to leave Mecca because the Meccan chiefs had taken action to kill him at his home. The decision of migrating to Medina was taken by the Prophet after he made the ‘Pledge of Aqaba’. The pledge was made by seventy three men and two women of Khazraj and Aws communities of Medina. They had accepted Islam and wanted to invite the Prophet to migrate to Medina. Their motivation for this move, apart from recognizing him as the Prophet, the trustworthy, and the best in conduct in Makkah, was to bring peace and security between the Khazraj and Aws. They were often at war with each other and the Battle of Bu’ath had shattered their strength completely. They desperately needed a leader who could be trusted by both communities and bring peace in Medina. As part of the pledge, they were to protect the Prophet as they would protect their women and children if they were attacked by the Meccans.
Among the people in Medina, there was a small community (three tribes) of Jews with Arab communities constituting the majority of the population. Because of wars going on for several generations, the resources of the Arabs were depleted and their influence in Medina was dwindling. The Jews were traders and many of them used to lend money at exorbitant interest (usury). The continuing wars boosted their economy and personal wealth.
The immediate result of the Prophet’s migration to Medina was peace and unity between the communities of Aws and Khazraj. The Prophet, motivated by the general welfare of citizens of Medina, decided to offer his services to the remaining communities including the Jews. He had already laid down the basis for relationship between the Emigrants from Mecca (known as Muhajirin) and Medinites (known as the Ansar, the helpers).
The Treaty between Muslims, non-Muslim Arabs and Jews of Medina was put in writing and ratified by all parties. It has been preserved by the historians. The document referred Muhammad (pbuh) as the Prophet and Messenger of Allah (God) but it was understood that the Jews did not have to recognize him as such for their own religious reasons. The major parts of the document were:
“In the name of Allah (The One True God) the Compassionate, the Merciful. This is a document from Muhammad, the Prophet, governing the relation between the Believers from among the Qurayshites (i.e., Emigrants from Mecca) and Yathribites (i.e., the residents of Medina) and those who followed them and joined them and strived with them. They form one and the same community as against the rest of men.
“No Believer shall oppose the client of another Believer. Whosoever is rebellious, or seeks to spread injustice, enmity or sedition among the Believers, the hand of every man shall be against him, even if he be a son of one of them. A Believer shall not kill a Believer in retaliation of an unbeliever, nor shall he help an unbeliever against a Believer.
“Whosoever among the Jews follows us shall have help and equality; they shall not be injured nor shall any enemy be aided against them…. No separate peace will be made when the Believers are fighting in the way of Allah…. The Believers shall avenge the blood of one another shed in the way of Allah ….Whosoever kills a Believer wrongfully shall be liable to retaliation; all the Believers shall be against him as one man and they are bound to take action against him.
“The Jews shall contribute (to the cost of war) with the Believers so long as they are at war with a common enemy. The Jews of Banu Najjar, Banu al-Harith, Banu Sa’idah, Banu Jusham, Banu al-Aws, Banu Tha’labah, Jafnah, and Banu al-Shutaybah enjoy the same rights and priviledges as the Jews of Banu Aws.
“The Jews shall maintain their own religion and the Muslims theirs. Loyalty is a protection against treachery. The close friends of Jews are as themselves. None of them shall go out on a military expedition except with the permission of Muhammad, but he shall not be prevented from taking revenge for a wound.
“The Jews shall be responsible for their expenses and the Believers for theirs. Each, if attacked, shall come to the assistance of the other.
“The valley of Yathrib (Medina) shall be sacred and inviolable for all that join this Treaty. Strangers, under protection, shall be treated on the same ground as their protectors; but no stranger shall be taken under protection except with consent of his tribe….No woman shall be taken under protection without the consent of her family.
Whatever difference or dispute between the parties to this covenant remains unsolved shall be referred to Allah and to Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah. Allah is the Guarantor of the piety and goodness that is embodied in this covenant. Neither the Quraysh nor their allies shall be given any protection.
“The contracting parties are bound to help one another against any attack on Yathrib (Medina). If they are called to cease hostilities and to enter into peace, they shall be bound to do so in the interest of peace; and if they make a similar demand on Muslims it must be carried out except when the war is agianst their religion.
“Allah approves the truth and goodwill of this covenant. This treaty shall not protect the unjust or the criminal. Whoever goes out to fight as well as whoever stays at home shall be safe and secure in this city unless he has perpetrated an injustice or commited a crime…. Allah is the protector of the good and God-fearing people.”
The first written constitution of a State ever promulgated by a sovereign in human history emanated from the Prophet of Islam. It was enacted from the first year of Hijrah (622 CE). The treaty stipulated a city state in Medina, allowing wide autonomy to communities. Private justice was to be banished. The head of the State had the prerogative to decide who should participate in an expedition, the war and peace being indivisible. Social insurance was to be instituted.
Now let’s move to the Jewish tribes in Medina which signed the treaty with the Prophet.
1) The Banu Qaynuqa
After the resounding victory of the Muslims over the Quraysh at the Battle of Badr, one of the three main Jewish groups in Madinah, the Banu Qaynuqa was especially furious. The Qaynuqa were goldsmiths who dominated the market in Madinah. They were depending on their allies, the Khazraj, to help them in their declared war. The Khazraj refused.
Being blacksmiths by profession even their children were well armed, and they could instantly muster 700 fighting men from among themselves. They were also arrogantly aware that they enjoyed relations of confederacy with the Khazraj and Abdullah bin Ubbay, the chief of the Khazraj, was their chief supporter. At the victory of Badr, they became so provoked that they began to trouble and harass the Muslims and their women in particular, who visited their shops.
One day a Muslim woman was stripped naked publicly in their bazaar. This led to a brawl in which a Muslim and a Jew were killed. Thereupon the Holy Prophet himself visited their locality, got them together and counselled them on decent conduct. But the reply that they gave was; “O Muhammad, you perhaps think we are like the Quraish; they did not know fighting; therefore, you overpowered them. But when you come in contact with us, you will see how men fight.” This was in clear words a declaration of war. Consequently, the Holy Prophet laid siege to their quarters. The siege had hardly lasted for a fortnight when they surrendered and all their fighting men were tied and taken prisoners.
Now Abdullah bin Ubayy came up in support of them and insisted that they should be pardoned. The Holy Prophet conceded his request and decided that the Bani Qainuqa would be exiled from Madinah leaving their properties, armour and tools of trade behind.They settled down at Adhraat in Syria.
2) The Banu Nadir
Muhammad approached the council of the Jewish tribe Banu an-Nadir to request financial assistance. At first, they were reluctant, but eventually they agreed, and requested that he and his Companions wait while they prepared a meal in his honour. However, Muhammad purportedly received a divine revelation that the Banu Nadir were about to kill him by dropping a millstone from the roof on his head.
Muhammad reacted to the attempted assassination by sending Muhammad ibn Maslama, a Muslim member of a tribe allied to the Nadir, with an ultimatum: ‘Leave my city and live with me no longer after the treason which you have plotted against me’. They were given ten days to leave upon pain of death. They would still be regarded as proprietors of the palm trees, and would receive part of their produce.
Abdullah bin Ubayy, the chief of the hypocrites of Madinah, encouraged them to defy the order and refused to leave Madinah. He even promised to help them with 2,000 men, and assured them that the Bani Ghatafan from Najd also would come to their aid. Accordingly, the Bani an-Nadir sent word that they would not leave no matter what the Holy Prophet might do.
As soon as the time limit of ten days come to an end, the Holy Prophet laid siege to their quarters, but none of their supporters had the courage to come to their rescue. At last, they surrendered on condition that every three of them would be allowed to load a camel with whatever they could carry and go away leaving the rest of their possessions behind. Thus, the whole suburbs of the city which were inhabited by the Bani an-Nadir, and their gardens and their fortresses and other properties fell to the Muslims, and the people of this treacherous tribe became scattered in Khaiber, Wad il Qura and Syria.
They had played a double game. Originally they were sworn allies of the Madinah Muslims under the holy Prophet, but they secretly intrigued with the Makkah Pagans under Abu Sufyan and the Madinah Hypocrites. They even tried treacherously to take the life of the Prophet while he was on a visit to them, breaking both the laws of hospitality and their own sworn alliance. They thought the Pagan Quraish of Makkah and the Hypocrites of Madinah would help them, but they did not help them. On the contrary the eleven days siege showed them their own helplessness. Their hearts were stack with terror and they capitulated. But they laid waste their homes before they left: Their lives were spared, and they were allowed ten days in which to remove themselves, their families, and such goods as they could carry. In order to leave no habitations for the Muslims they demolished their own houses and laid waste their property, to complete the destruction which the operations of war had already caused at the hands of the besieging force of the Muslims.
In summary, the punishment of the Banu Nadhir was because they broke their word with the Messenger and in actively resisting Allah’s Message and supporting the enemies of that Message, they rebelled against him. For such treason and rebellion the punishment is severe, and yet in this case it was seasoned with Mercy.
3) The Expulsion of the Banu Qurayza
The expulsion of the Jewish tribe Banu Qurayza had been instigated by the leaders of the Bani an-Nadir, who had settled in Khaiber after their banishment from Madinah. They went round to the Quraish and Ghatafan and Hudhail and many other tribes and induced them to gather all their forces together and attack Madinah jointly.
unprecedentedly large army of the Arab tribes marched against the small city of Madinah.10,000 Meccans and their allies unsuccessfully besieged Medina,
During the siege, the Meccans had allegedly negotiated a plan with the Banu Qurayza whereby the defenders would be assaulted from the rear, massacring their women and children.
The pagan Meccans sent Huyayy bin Akhtab, the Jewish leader of the Bani an-Nadir, to the Bani Quraizah so as to induce them to break the treaty and join the war against Muhammad. In the beginning, they refused to oblige and said that they had a treaty with Muhammad. But when Ibn Akhtab said to them, “Look, I have summoned the united force of entire Arabia against him: this is a perfect opportunity to get rid of him. If you lose it, you will never have another opportunity,” the anti Islamic Jewish mind prevailed over every moral consideration and the Bani Quraizah were persuaded to break the treaty.
Clearly, by engaging in such intrigue they were guilty of an act of treachery, not to say war, against Muhammad. This was the final straw for Muhammad, whose mind was now set on conquering Mecca, and the last thing he would be willing to tolerate was a fifth column undermining his strategy. On the very day the siege of the pagan Meccans ended he turned his troops on the Qurayzah. According to Islamic tradition, this was not a mere human strategic decision on the part of Muhammad; rather, it had been commanded by Allah through the agency of Gabriel.
Aisha, the Prophet’s wife said:
…When the Prophet returned from the battle of al-Khandaq (i.e. trench) and laid down his arms and took a bath, Gabriel came to him while he (i.e. Gabriel) was shaking the dust off his head, and said, “You have laid down your arms? By Allah, I have not laid them down. Go out to them (to attack them).”
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “Where?”
Gabriel pointed towards Banu Qurayzah (SAHIH AL-BUKHARI
5.448A).
The punishment Bani Qurayzah received due to their treachery was explained by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. As he put it, the Jews of the tribe of Banu Qurayzah counted among the citizens of Medina and were bound by solemn engagements to help in the defence of the city. But on the occasion of the confederate siege by the Quraish and their allies, they intrigued with the enemies and treacherously aided them. Immediately after the siege was raised and the confederates had fled in hot haste, the Prophet turnes his attention to the treacherous “friends” who had betrayed his city in the hour of danger.
The Banu Qurayzah were filled with terror and dismay when Madinah was free from the Quraysh danger. They shut themselves up in their castles and sustained a siege of 25 days, after which they surrendered, stipulating that they will abide by the decision of their fate at the hands of Sa’d ibn Mu’adh, chief of the Aus tribe, which they had been in alliance. Sa’d applied to them the Jewish Law of the Old Testament, not as strictly as the case warranted. In Deut. xx. 10-18, the treatment of a city “which is very far from thee” is prescribed to be comparatively more linient than the treatment of a city “of the people, which the Lord thy God does give thee for an inheritance”, i.e. which is near enough to corrupt the religion of the jewish people. The punishment of those is total annihilation: “Thou shall save alive nothing that breatheth” (Deut. zz. 16). According to the Jewish standard, then, the Banu Qurayzah deserved total extermination of men, women, and children. They were in the territory of Madinah itself, and further they had broken their engagements and helped the enemy.
Sa’d ibn Mu’adh adjudged them the mildest treatment of the “far-off” cities which is thus described in the Jewish law: “Thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: but the women and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself, and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.” (Deut. xx. 13-14).
The men of Qurayzah were slain, the women were sold captives of war, and their lands and properties were divided among Almuhagereen (Prophet’s companions migrating with him from Makkag to Madinah).
The battle of the Prophet with Banu Kurayzah had been mentioned in the Koran:
And He brought down those of the people of the book who supported them from their fortresses and cast terror in their hearts; some you slew, some you made captive.
And He bequathed upon you their lands, their habitations, and their possessions, and a land you never trod. Allah is powerful over everything (Al-Ahzab 26, 27).
Now a hate monger might say, “See, Dr. El-Guindy admitted that Muhammad killed the Jews!”
My answer is, “Yes, I admit, confess, state, stress, and emphasize that Muhammad killed the Jews who betrayed him and wanted to see Islam perishes from the surface of the earth. They broke their covenant with Muhammad and sided with the enemy. The punishment they received was not because they were Jews, but because of their deceit, perfidy and treachery. They didn’t even want that Muhammad judge them, but prefered the judgment of Sa’d ibn Mu’adh the chief of the Arab tribe they had alliance with, and Sa’d judged them according to the rules of their Torah.
The last group of Jews to resist Muhammad were in Khaybar, where, according to Muslim tradition, they plotted with pagan tribes against him, as we have seen. This constituted an act of war, and in 628 he besieged them. Some Jews aided the Muslim ‘war effort’, attempting to secure their position after the conquest. The terms of surrender were quite merciful for the time. Ownership of the land passed to the Muslims, but the Jews were to cultivate it and keep half the produce for themselves. According to Muslim sources, Muhammad returned to the Jews copies of the Torah seized during the siege, as opposed to desecrating them. The rest of the Jewish communities in the area soon fell to Muhammad. The Jews of Fadak submitted, handing over half their wealth to Muhammad. They may have been involved in the Khaybar campaign. The Jews of Wadi’l-Qura offered token resistance, and then capitulated on similar terms. The Jews of Tayma, however, who offered no resistance, merely had to pay the Jizya tax. The same thing happened to the Jews of Banu Ghaziyah and Banu ‘Arid. The Jews of al Bahrayn were exempted from this tax.
allah’s word was alreaady proclaimed beforehand to His Messengers whom He sent as spectacles and warnings that they would be made triumphant and that His hosts would be the victors.
The Koran says:
Already Our Word has preceded to Our servants, the Envoys; assuredly they shall be helped, and Our host-they are the victors (Al-Saffat 171-173).
True and sincere Muslims will never be apologetic about Islam. This is our religion, and we abide by every bit of it. We allow what Allah permitted, and we abstain from what Allah prohibited. Our religion is not subject to compromise or reconciliation. It is one entity, one unit not liable to fragmentation, or controversary, or argumentation, either you take it all or leave it all, then bear the consequences.
bill warner, those who reject Allah’s Message must realize that the time will come when they will wish they had sacrificed everything in the course of Truth and righteousness. It will be too late then. Wht not examine the matter seriously now and accept Allah’s Grace and Light?
How humiliating it will be for them to realize that the things they used to mock at are realities all around them, and the things they were so eager to pursue are mere falsehoods or vanities!
read what your Lord says about people like you:
if the evildoers possessed all that is in the earth, and the like of it with it, they would offer it to ransom themselves from the evil of the chastisement on the day of Resurrection; yet there would appear to them from Allah that they never reckoned with, and there would appear to them the evils of that they have earned, and they would be encompassed by that they mocked at (az-zumar 47, 48).
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Moslems are supremacists.
Supremacists never have empathy for their victims.
The victims always ‘had it coming to them’.
The greatest crime is to say Mohammed is not a prophet.
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