What is the Truth about American Muslims, Part 1

The First Amendment Center, the Muslim Brotherhood and assorted leftists at the Interfaith Alliance have produced a polished piece of apologist propaganda for Islam. It has been getting a lot media play, because it says all the things the public would like to believe about Islam. It is a textbook summary of arguments made by Islam’s apologists and serves as a teaching example of how to refute this propaganda using the scientific method.

The theme of this propaganda brochure is that “truth” about Islam is all about opinions. But, the truth of Islamic ideology is found in the Koran, Sira (Mohammed’s biography) and the Hadith (his Traditions). Mohammed’s acts and words are the perfect model of actions (Sunna) for all Muslims.

The grand lie of this propaganda comes from confusing cause and effect about Islam and Muslims. Islam is a concrete doctrine that produces Muslims. This brochure, What is the Truth about American Muslims, argues that we may learn about Islam from Muslims. The beauty of this approach is that you can choose the Islam you want by choosing the right Muslim. Although Islam can be precisely defined, Muslims are all over the map. There is one Islam, but 1.5 billion Muslims and whatever answer you want about Islam, you can find a Muslim who will tell you what you to hear. And that is what this piece is about—finding the Muslims who will tell you what you want to hear.

Here is the truth about Muslims. They will not tell you the whole truth, but only a half truth. Islam is inherently dualistic and holds two opposing truths at the same time. There are two Korans, an early Koran written in Mecca and a later Koran written in Medina. There is no jihad in the early Meccan Koran, but the later Medinan Koran is filled with jihad. So which is the real Islam? Both peace and war are true Islam. A Muslim will only talk about the half he needs. But, there is one Muslim who will tell you the complete truth—Mohammed. Needless to say, this propaganda does not consult him.

Knowing all of this, the following quotes are taken from the brochure, What Is the Truth about American Muslims?

“This resource has been endorsed by 21 diverse religious, secular, interfaith and civil rights organizations…”

Immediately we that learn the authority of this document is based on 21 groups of diverse people. Sounds good? Maybe. But the brochure is supposed to give us the “Truth about American Muslims”. If we are talking about Muslims, then there is no organization that matters. When we talk about Muslims, there is one way to find out the truth about Muslims--Islam. The only place to find the truth about Islam is in the Koran, Sira and Hadith—the Trilogy—Mohammed and Allah.

Think about it. Who cares what some theology graduate of divinity school says about Islam? If he agrees with Allah and Mohammed, then he is redundant. If he disagrees with Mohammed or Allah, then he is wrong. All the organizational “expert” brings is either redundancy or error. Skip the diverse, secular, interfaith and civil rights bureaucracies, and go to the factual basis of Islam—Koran, Sira and Hadith.

The same thing applies to all Muslims. A Muslim is only a Muslim when they follow the doctrine of Islam. When they don’t follow Islam, they are not being a Muslim. It is so simple. Neither a Muslim nor a non-Muslim has an opinion that is worth a hoot, unless it references the doctrine of Islam.

“During the past decade, acts of violence by extremists claiming to act in the name of Islam have raised fears and created confusion about Islam. In the United States, some individuals and groups have attempted to conflate all of Islam with extremist violence by disseminating misinformation and distortions about Islam and American Muslims. This has led to a rise in discrimination against American Muslims and those perceived to be Muslims, attacks on American Muslim institutions, and protests against the building of mosques in local communities.”

“acts of violence by extremists claiming to act in the name of Islam”

What are these “acts of violence”? There is a massive amount of violence in the Koran, Sira and Hadith and it is the violence of jihad. Here is a chart of how much violence there is in Islam’s sacred texts.



Nearly a third, 31%, of the complete doctrine of Islam is about violence. And who is committing this violence? Both Mohammed and his warriors. Is Mohammed an extremist? No. His actions, the Sunna, are the very definition of moderate Islam. There 91 verses in the Koran that say that the entire world is to follow his perfect example. The Koran defines moderation, the moderation of Islam. Islam is violent; hence when Muslims are violent against the Kafir, that violence is moderation. So say, Mohammed and Allah.

Most people consider “moderate” to mean non-extreme, normal, or average and hence, peaceful. But, pay attention here. Moderation implies some scale or reference. As an example, the temperature of 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit would be extremely hot in your living room. But, if you are talking about stars, then 10,000 degrees is moderate, and not even that hot. In the same way, peaceful relations between people are moderate on the scale of the Golden Rule. But, on the scale of the Koran, murder of Kafirs is moderate.

So far as “claiming” to act in the name of Islam, when Major Hassan shoots 42 soldiers in Fort Hood while yelling “allahu akbar”, he is claiming to act in name of Islam. But what he is doing is not violence, it is moderation in the name of Islam—the moderation of jihad.

“some individuals and groups have attempted to conflate all of Islam with extremist violence by disseminating misinformation and distortions about Islam and American Muslims.”

Note that we do not conflate “all” of Islam with jihad. No, it is clear that since 67% of the Sira is about jihad, then 33% of the Sira is not about jihad. This analysis exactly measures the truth of the statement.

What is an “American Muslim”? What is any Muslim? A Muslim is one who follows the doctrine of Islam. What is the American Islam that an American Muslim follows? There is no American Islam because there is no American Koran and no American Sunna. There is only the Koran and the Sunna of Mohammed. End of story. There is only Islam. Muslims are in America as part of the umma (the Islamic community) first, being American is secondary.

Exactly, what part of the Koran and the Sunna does an American Muslim reject or reinterpret? It turns out the words “American Muslim” cannot be defined in terms of doctrine, only in misdirection campaigns such as this.

“By seeking to provide accurate information about religious freedom and American Muslims, this publication does not ignore or minimize the significant threat posed by extremists who promote and commit acts of violence in the name of Islam. We fully recognize the challenge to peace and justice posed by small factions within Islam who lift up extremist theology and pervert their faith to support their violence. All of the world’s major religions have faced similar challenges. But acts of violence by radical individuals and groups must not be used to condemn Islam itself – or to paint all Muslims with the brush of extremism.”

This paragraph is a target rich environment because it contains so many apologist clichés. Let’s tackle them one by one.

First cliché: “religious freedom”

What every person must care about is political Islam, not religious Islam. As an example, the Sharia dictates that during a part of Islamic prayer a Muslim’s backside must be higher that his head. Who cares? Who is trying to restrict that?

Jihad, a part of Islamic doctrine, is political since it is carried out against non-Muslims, the Kafirs. All of Islamic doctrine that concerns the Kafir is political. The amount of Islamic doctrine that is devoted to Kafirs is astounding. Look at this chart based on word count:



The big picture is that over half of Islam’s foundational texts are about the non-Muslim, the Kafir. Islam has a highly detailed doctrine about the Kafir and that means that most of Islamic doctrine is political. This is the reason that Islam has such political impact in America and everywhere Muslims exist.


So drop the “religious freedom” distraction. Let’s deal with the politics of Islam, let’s keep it political and talk all we want.

Next cliché: “must not be used to condemn Islam itself”

We do not need to condemn Islam. We need to know Islamic doctrine and see how it drives the actions of all Muslims, both peaceful ones and jihadists. Islam is dualistic and contains both peace and war (jihad). That is its true nature and we must not condemn it, but know it. We must know the detailed history of political Islam and how the Sharia has annihilated all Kafir civilizations for 14 centuries. We must understand Islam in both root and branch. It condemns itself; we do not need to condemn it.

Next cliché: “paint all Muslims with the brush of extremism”

No, we do not want to paint Muslims with extremism. We want to paint all Muslims with the brush of Islam. We must ask Muslims where they stand on Sharia, the Kafir, jihad, the beating of women, death to apostates and so on. Every Muslim must be confronted with Islamic doctrine. Do they reject the assassination of intellectuals who oppose political Islam? If so how do they oppose it, because Mohammed repeatedly ordered the assassination of all intellectuals and artists who opposed Islam? Assassination of opponents is Sunna, normative Islam.

“Our purpose here is to inform Americans about the vast majority of their fellow citizens who are Muslim. In doing so, we seek to uphold our shared commitment to religious freedom and contribute to a climate of understanding and respect among Americans of all faiths and none.”

“uphold religious freedom”

What a cruel joke when referring to Islam. The Center for the Study of Political Islam produces a monthly newsletter The Bulletin of Christian Persecution. Each month you can read of Islamic violence against Christians in every Muslim country. The dead Christians at the hands of jihadists march on and on each month.

But it is not just Christians who suffer death under Islam. The following graph was taken from data on religionofpeace.com. Since 9/11 2001 there have been over 19,000 jihad attacks. Here are the top four countries:


Let’s look at what this says. Jihad attacks Jews, Buddhists, Christians and Hindus, so much for religious freedom and Islam.

“Who are American Muslims today?”

American Muslim is the latest attempt by the Muslim Brotherhood in America to divorce themselves from the Arab Muslims who riot, rape, murder and kidnap Kafirs in their countries. Oh no, those retrograde troglodyte jihadists are not the new and improved American Muslims.

And what is the Muslim Brotherhood that is peddling the American Muslim label? Well, here is what they believe and proclaim:

"Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope. Allahu akbar!”

Oh, yeah! They have the American Muslim thing down pat.

There is no such thing as AMERICAN ISLAM. Hence, there are Muslims with an American zip code, but no such thing as a Muslim who follows American Islam. American Muslims, just like all other Muslims, follow the Kafir-hating doctrine of Islam.

The tragedy is not that Muslims put out propaganda, but that so many Christians, Jews, and other apologists so happily sign on to such lies and deception, turning a blind eye to the violence and murder done their own kind.

More to come…


Bill Warner, Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam
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"the right to freedom of religion has its roots in protecting Christian denominations from gov't interference. the forefathers would agree here- A ideology/ religion that is a threat to the constitution and/or a threat to the common good of the people will not be tolerated. Islam is a grievous threat to our nation, and IT SHOULD BE BANNED. but do our politicans have the courage to even consider such action? no, most dont."

wolfy ghalkhani — October 30, 2012 @ 1:37 PM

"Thank you, Bill. I eagerly wait for Part II of your article.

When modern stories are written about historical events and people, sometimes the facts are heavily whitewashed to present only the most-noble parts of history and people. Sometimes historical facts are also revised, due to ignorance of an author or deliberate deception by an author, resulting in falsehoods.

Children's stories are typically heavily whitewashed, because authors -- justifiably or not -- want to shield children from the truth about the depth of human depravity. Historical facts are also sometimes revised, for political or nationalistic reasons, to accomplish indoctrination -- justifiably or not.

Heavy whitewashing and revising of historical facts prevent adults from seeing the darker characteristics of history and people that would compel adults to think critically about the nature and causes of moral degradation, and that would compel adults to individually and corporately repent -- turn around and change course in conformity to the truth.

Small-scale and large-scale repentance has occurred countless times in human history, when people and leaders have said, "We were wrong. We will now follow the truth." The key to overcoming error is reception of the truth followed by repentance.

When Islam is presented by mainstream media in America, its characteristics are typically whitewashed and its history is typically revised, due to ignorance or due to deliberate deception. If the truth about Islamic dark ideology and dark history were always presented, no rational, un-intimidated person in America would convert to Islam. Rather, people would run away from Islam."

Ralph — October 30, 2012 @ 10:56 PM

"Sir,

I want to take your time. It can take hours!

I am from India and have studies your website in detail. But coming from background here in India wherein Hinduism is practiced since 10000 years, Islam/Moghuls came in India and ruled for 1000 years! They destroyed 10000 Temples officially and what not! Yet we remained intact and even absorbed them. Even they (muslims) found increasingly being part of this golden rule culture followed here and for many other reasons.

Britishers came and capitalized on Divide and Rule Policy and were very successful until Mahatma Gandhi and other leaders united India for a mission..for a cause.

But then The Gandhi/Congress family has played the politics of divide and rule and vote bank politics.

And so movies come up to give the message of unity in diversity and the very reason due to which India has survived onslaught of so much foreign invasion.

...

My point for Bill Warner Sir comes if he watches the movie Bombay (1995). some words on movie: http://p-pcc.blogspot.in/2007/12/bombay-1995.html

but better to watch.

Indians here know what is fact of Quran and Mohammed and know this from many long back unlike in US in a survey 80% never knew word 'Quran' even after 10 years of 9/11!

But yet no matter politicians/rulers or even the political islam or missionary christians try to break the country and advance their individual cause, still India has so much deep interlocked layers of culture that somehow people absorb everyone and again stay united and in peace.

So in the context of movie and your post w.r.t the recent propoganda, what are your viewpoints? How can we Indians even though believe so much deep to be united (which is definitely not s deep now as materialism and politicians had made the unity very shallow) how can we undertstand the message of political Islam.

Your website and your each post again and again gives the same basic facts and so lucid and clear but still the mentality is to absorb here and take muslims as part of life even if they may do taquiya.

And after watching such movies, no one wants to hear the message even if with so much clarity as here in post.

So what to do? It is not about responding tp propaganda but to deep pysche of people and so how to address this?"

Amit — November 2, 2012 @ 5:59 AM

"Also what I meant in my comment i wrote w.r.t movie Bombay is in this quote:

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

Sir.. light is the facts/understanding as presented here in your website
But Also Love is key and not hate

and so i am asking how to have love.. always in heart and yet the understanding of political islam be conveyed.. so difficult to do!"

Amit — November 2, 2012 @ 2:14 PM

"Thank you sir...I so appreciate this information. Please, keep teaching us!

Cathy"

Cathy — November 2, 2012 @ 2:24 PM

"After studying Islamic doctrine, I have come to believe that there is no possible solution to the Israeli-Palestinian problem, just as there is no possible solution to the conflict between Islam and the rest of the world. Jewish and Christian (and Hindu, Buddhist, etc.) morality prevents us from slaughtering the Muslims as they slaughtered the Jews in Arabia, as the Turks slaughtered the Armenians, etc. And Islamic doctrine, from their source texts, requires them to conquer the world and impose Sharia upon us.

The best we can do is contain them, as we tried to contain Communism during the cold war."

Anonymous Coward — November 3, 2012 @ 1:33 PM

"After studying Islamic doctrine, I have come to believe that there is no solution to the Israeli-Palestinian problem, just as there is no solution to the conflict between Islam and the rest of the world. Jewish and Christian (and Hindu, Buddhist, etc.) morality prevents us from slaughtering the Muslims as they slaughtered the Jews in Arabia, as the Turks slaughtered the Armenians, etc. And Islamic doctrine, from their source texts, requires them to conquer the world and impose Sharia upon us.

The best we can do is contain them, as we tried to contain Communism during the cold war."

Anonymous Coward — November 3, 2012 @ 1:33 PM

"Ralph and Bill

I guess you have read my prediction that OBAMA will win the USA election...

Now it is clear right before your eyes that ALLAH have a purpose and this is pure miracles only ALLAH can made it happen..Where was the xtian god that the replublican so crave and the rights conservative.....Where was jesus God?
Where was JEWSIH god and Isreal PM Nethenayhu is now so worried cos he bet on the wrong candicate ...Loser Romney......The world has spoken.....The world reject conservative xtians who are agianst GAYS / ABOARTIONS..etc....all the basis doctrines of xtiabinity is flush down the drain......I have already said many time why I convert to ISLAM ...yet you guys still refuse to admit.....

Ralph..The idioit xtains still quotes silly xtains text for inspiration...,..
Please Ralph...convert and be like CAT Stevens...Lauran Booth...SEAN STONE..and many great ex - white xtains..who saw ALLAH better than so called JESUS baloney.....

I am lokking forward to OBAMA and the left/media liberals..like CNN, MSBC,BBC...NY TIMES...etc....and not to mentioned DEMOCRATES who are pro ISLAM ...keeps up the good world and destroyed your own country..

Replublicans and Chrstians conservaties who so loves ROMNEY has now awoken to the REALITY check...Your GOD is losing to ALLAH big time....

My sincere hope is BILL nad Ralph and all those who agree with them..
Please choose ISLAM and join the ever growing ranks of 1,8 billion strong MUSLIM ....The world is yours for the taking..DO not be taken..But be TAKERS...."

A muslim Convert — November 10, 2012 @ 10:16 AM

"Jihad is the technique of removing the human rights of women and 'others'.

Islam is inherently hostile, rather than tolerant to those two categories.

How can we simply do nothing and permit a very small group of misogynistic, supremacist Arab-speaking males to take over the world and refashion it in their intolerant, savage image?"

Democracyistheanswer — November 11, 2012 @ 11:17 PM

"The propaganda campaign of Moslems with zip codes is to convince Americans that the jihadists aren't Moslems.

It is certain that the jihadists are carbon copies of Mohammed."

Democracyistheanswer — November 11, 2012 @ 11:19 PM

"Oh! The muslim Convert predicted that Obama would win and therefore islam must be the truth! I am mightily impressed with the logic of it."

Steffen Larsen — November 12, 2012 @ 11:23 AM

"To A muslim Convert:

Your prediction?!! Really? I'm sooo impressed!!

What is clear right before our very eyes is that you are still a retarded nut job who needs to increase the dosage on your medications. You really do need to go get some more professional help...Islam isn't doing it for you!

It is more than obvious from you rants that you have lost touch with reality, why don't you do something constructive and beneficial to all the rest of us Kafirs and accidentally blow yourself up while playing with your martyr vest!

Come on A muslim Convert...I can hear the 72 virgins calling your name!!! You will even get a cameo appearance with Allah (shit be upon him) himself!! Wow, very exciting, right? How can you resist Paradise?

Bottom line? You are a mentally retarded clown that nobody on this website takes seriously!! Don't forget to wash yourself, pack your suitcase, and put on some nice smelling perfume so that you will be presentable when you arrive in your Islamic Paradise!!! Have a nice trip!! Oh, yea, do me a favor...when you meet Allah (shit be upon him) tell him to kiss my ass!"

Hellbat44 — November 12, 2012 @ 12:53 PM

"Amit,

I have read everything that you wrote, and my counsel to you for your life in India is this:

Whenever and wherever you meet people -- friends and strangers and enemies -- individually and in groups -- silently in your heart ask God to pour out blessings upon those people, for their highest good.

You will see some miracles that God does right in front of your eyes when you pray for people, and you will be thankful to God and very aware of God's presence with you.

You will have treated the people you meet as you would like them to treat you. You will have loved your neighbor as God does. You will have avoided hatred.

If you do that for the rest of your life, your heart will remain right; and when you come to the end of your life, you will have been at peace with God and at peace with other people. You will have truly known the love of God.

That is the best way to live, even during persecution and other hardships that may come to you."

Ralph — November 12, 2012 @ 4:09 PM

"Ralph

that spiritual message, I do practise and I get peace.
But at same time suppose I pray for good of person 'A' which I sincerely want, I can't let person B and infact persons BCDEFG.... suffer due to A.

I still will pray for A and only want good of A
but what Bill warner Sir is doing is not to let suffer BCDE... and all (kafirs)

Praying is different thing. Always having good intentions for enemy is also very peaceful thing but at same time raising awareness against "bad" is important and that way only you can do good.

But that is difficult to do here.

People will absorb Muslims and forgive and get self be killed or be part of subjugation but will always always never resort to discuss on idealogy of political islam. Because that is not in pysche and political islam takes advantage of this and i don't want BCDE... to suffer but even if I try my best, still no body will listen here.

I am for peace and forgiveness but I am not for ignorance and sure you too and so you care to come here in website and comment. To protect our "golden rule cultured" world"

Amit — November 13, 2012 @ 12:07 PM

"To A [m]uslim Convert,

Your fealty to Islam will disappear the minute you're denounced as an apostate by another, more socially prominent Muslim. Do you know any history? Have you ever heard of the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution? Does Chairman Mao sound familiar? Do you think that Islam operates on principles other than those common to all totalitarian ideologies?

Good luck Convert, your days as a Muslim are likely to be few.

One more thing; why are you a convert and not a revert? Perhaps your understanding of Islamic theology lacks subtlety.

I'll write more to you later.

classicus"

classicus — November 13, 2012 @ 2:01 PM

"Request to everyone

There is no pint fighting with a pig in dirt as pig wants to stay in dirt only and enjoys but why ourselves drag into shit?

Have you seen Bill Warner Sir ever doing that?

Be clear. Don't react to opinions and any rants. What stays is the principle on which Political Islam is based which is unchanged. Study Mohammed. Never discuss without basics."

Amit — November 14, 2012 @ 1:46 AM

"Muslims are commanded to kill and lie. They cannot be trusted."

Guy Macher — November 15, 2012 @ 9:30 AM

"Ralph, Steffan , Hellbent and the likes...but Amit can be saved...

Amit...you are Indian...I supposed .
Let me tell you this...We muslim are very grateful for INDAINS as ISLAM was has some links with the VEDIC culture...ARABS and Indians are lot closer together than caucasians. So islam has some indians influence like 72 dark eyes houires..All this was inspire to let he nomads of ARAB fanatasies about Indian woman...Thank ALLAH we diivided India into AFGHANISTAN, PAkistan, kashmir, Blangasesh...If not for the british, we would have made all you INDIAN muslim...So Amit....be a MSULIM and be like us PAKISTAN or Blangadesh or AFGHANISTAN...the most purest RACES on EARTH..Our country are filled with loving ALLAh WORSHIPPERS and none have suffered in this land of ALLAH...We are a nations that are envied by the western powers that they want to split and destroyed us..No..ALLAH forbids..We shall be victories against the infidels white xtains...Amit. Please be a MUSLIM and I guranantee you..You will find your life changed to be like MOHD and all actrions you do as MOHD do is no wrong....

Ralph , Steefan ( The swede ) how do nyou feel your woman rape by us muslim everyday in Stockholm...Your goverment condone it....see..we apply shariah law upon yuou land and there is nothing you guys can do....We are all over EUROPE..and you also know..the UK has decided to released a Muslim Cleric who was in proson for 10 years for terrorisim related activitoies...I ahve said before and I said AGAIN... we can do EVIL , SPEAK EVIL..all EVIL in the name of ISLAM..but you cannot....It shall be hate crime for you but for us it is our rights...So Bill and the likes of MUSLIM bashing and writing of false articles like xtain persecuations is nonsences..EVEN if it is true..ALLAH command us to do..You have a problem with that ? Well thats KAFIR problem....Until your text says to kill MUSLIM then we are onot on equal footing with ISLAM the upper hand.....Sorry mate...Blame your own false religions that show compassions, mercy and forgiving...You made the ULITIMATE mistake..But ALLAH the knowest of all ...does not follow the other sciprtures of love and forgiving..

Please convert Ralph, Steffan , Hellbent and BILL too...STOP writing nonsense and prpmote ISLAM instead.
1.8 billion MSULIM can't be wrong...BUT all xtains and kafir are surely wrong."

A muslim Convert — November 16, 2012 @ 8:24 AM

"To the muslim convert

Have you seen syria, Afghanistan, somalia, bangladash, and many more sh*t holes called muslim countries??
You're living a fantasy man, wake up before it consumes you.

We christians have the capacity and higher calling of being good and that's why our number is rising 2.8 billion and counting. If the west is losing its christianity, Asia(china,taiwan,s.korea, singapore and many more) are becoming more and more christianised, the rise of Christianity in Sub-saharan Africa is astonishing and mind blowing (1million converts annually).
Let's not even talk about south America
The only reason islam has high figures is high fertility rate and poligamy
So keep killing yourselves (shia vs sunni), and keep deluding yourself. Europeans will react when the wool is pulled off there eyes and as history suggests, Europeans act or reacts very nastily 2 world wars, inquisitions, 30yr wars etc.

Keep deluding yourself"

rowland — December 6, 2012 @ 5:31 AM

"To the muslim convert

Have you seen syria, Afghanistan, somalia, Bangladesh, and many more sh*t holes called muslim countries??
You're living a fantasy man, wake up before it consumes you.

We christians have the capacity and higher calling of being good and that's why our number is rising 2.8 billion and counting. If the west is losing its christianity, Asia(china,taiwan,s.korea, singapore and many more) are becoming more and more christianised, the rise of Christianity in Sub-saharan Africa is astonishing and mind blowing (1million converts annually).
Let's not even talk about south America
The only reason islam has high figures is high fertility rate and polygamy
So keep killing yourselves (shia vs sunni), and keep deluding yourself. Europeans will react when the wool is pulled off there eyes and as history suggests, Europeans act or reacts very nastily 2 world wars, inquisitions, 30yr wars etc.

Keep deluding yourself"

rowland — December 6, 2012 @ 5:36 AM

"To rowland

You can find my rebuttal on december section and after that please repent and convert to Islam...The religion of peace as mentioned by Bush and Blair.

How can they be wrong?"

A muslim Convert — December 7, 2012 @ 8:20 AM

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