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Islam and Democracy
It is election season in America and time to look at one the of the dhimmis‘ favorite myths-the democratization of Islam. Great blood and treasure have been spent in Iraq to bring democracy to Islam.
But it makes no difference how much blood and treasure are spent; Islam is no more compatible with democracy than pigs are with flight. Islam has an entire doctrine of politics and government that was laid out by Mohammed. And just like pigs were not made for flight, Islamic political doctrine was not made for democracy.
The reason for this is the perfect example of Mohammed. Mohammed achieved success only when he became a politician and warrior. We may have politicians who invoke religion as part of their political persona, but we do not have any politicians who actually speak for god. Mohammed spoke for god. All Muslims did what they were told. Mohammed did not operate any kind of primal democracy; Mohammed and Allah ruled absolutely down to the smallest detail.
It is at this stage of the argument that Muslims like to invoke the idea of Mohammed’s consulting with his Companions as a model for democracy. At the battle of Badr, one of the men asked Mohammed if his battle orders were from Allah? Mohammed said that it was his own opinion, not Allah’s. The man pointed out that if the troops were placed in front of the well, it would be to Islam’s advantage and Mohammed followed his advice.
The argument is that Mohammed listened to the voters. Hence, Islam is democratic. But when you read the entire Sira (the biography of Mohammed) and the Hadith, such “votes” by the Companions are extremely rare.
Here is an example of how non-democratic Islam is.
Abu Muslim Book 020, Number 4573:
[…] Shouldn’t we overthrow them [the worst of rulers] with the help of the sword? Mohammed said, “No, as long as they establish prayer among you. If you then find anything detestable in them you should hate their administration, but do not withdraw yourselves from their obedience.”
In short, as long as a leader is a Muslim, obey him, even if he is a tyrant. Does that sound like a democratic view? What if the tyrant is Sadam Hussein? Obey him.
But this is not the real reason that Islam cannot ever have democracy. The real reason is found in the word-kafir, a political word. The Muslim is superior to the kafir in politics and culture and the kafir must submit to the will of Islam in public affairs. Democracy is based upon the idea of the Golden Rule. The Golden Rule leads to equality in law and politics. But a Muslim and a kafir are not equal in political Islam. Votes are equal. We have a contradiction and democracy submits to Islam and tyranny.
There is a third reason why Islam is not capable of being democratic. Democracies are the source of the idea of human rights. Islam does not grant human rights to kafirs.
Christians are 3% of the population in Iraq and are 30% of those fleeing Iraq. Why? Persecution by political Islam. About 1300 years ago Iraq was Christian. Soon it will be 0% Christian. The tragedy is that this is of no importance in the media or houses of worship.
But we digress. The point is that Islam only gives full rights to Muslims. Kafirs, Christian and otherwise are second-class citizens, basically semi-slaves. This inequality is built into the doctrine of Islam and is fully supported by the example. If Mohammed wanted democracy he would have practiced democracy as a sacred example. But his sacred example was supreme, unquestioned ruler.
Islam is perfect, universal, complete and eternal. It does not have a reform option. Democracy is a kafir form of politics and is anti-Islamic.
Bill Warner
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saroj kumar rai
came across a quite interesting infographic on islam and democracy.
this infographics tries to explore on interesting facts like how do Islamic nations feel about
the democracy and does Islam allow for democratic freedom? Whether sharia and
democracy are compatible or not? these and many other.
http://bit.ly/islm13
Jeff
A islamic/Arab religion mixing with Democracy was predicted 2600 years ago in the Bible.
In 2 Thessalonians it says that “the man of lawlessness will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God and worshiped”.
In other words, he will declare himself God, but what god? And of what religion?
In Daniel 2 we have the prophecy of king Nebuchadnezzer’s vision called the “Great image”. This image consisted of five future kingdoms that would rule over Israel, beginning with Nebuchadnezzer’s Babylon.
The fifth and last kingdom, would be a kingdom that would rule in the last days, the Bible says that this kingdom would be one of both mire and metal or “iron mixed with clay”, the key word being mixed.
I believe it’s not a coincidence that this verb mixed occurs only three times throughout the bible and all three occurrence are found in Daniel 2: 40-43.
So by knowing the Aramaic and Hebrew meaning of this verb, we can understanding what form of governments the iron and clay depict, and we can know the identity of this last days religion.
What is the translation of this verb mixed? It is the word “Arab.”
Now here’s the kicker! We know that any religion outside of Christianity is a religion built by Lucifer in the spirit of antichrist. Right?
Now in Isaiah 14: 13-14 (a prophecy about Lucifer’s fall) it says:
‘You (Lucifer) said in your heart’ “I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God” I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”
The Hebrew word for “ascend”, as in “I will ascend to heaven” I will make myself like the Most High”. Is the word Allah.
Go to my website http://www.prophecycodebook.com and learn more.
Ali
According to a website at this link: http://politics.quranicverses.co.uk/ Muslim philosophers accept the fact that Democracy and Islam coexist in good harmony.
Democracyistheanswer
To Anas Y:
Which Islamic country is in the ‘free’ category of Freedom House?
Why not?
…’leadrship by popular choice and not imposition’ ?
Examples, please.
sara
with all my respect to the above opinions, the reasons you gave to demonstrate that Islam is incomptabile with democracy are far away fro being true.
elizabeth
What do you mean by the words “with all my respect to the above opinions”? Please write more precisely, more conclusively, concerning your belief that islam and democracy in fact compatible.
Anas
it’s hard to believe a people who think they are humanists while they sought to live in what they call human rights and freedom at the expence of humanity. They dont respect the value of mankind, they wish man live less than a dog, exposing nudity, as fashion, corruption as skill, suicide and murder as right acts,, usury as business, indirect slavery as leadership, imposed leadership as democracy.
How would it come realistic to compare a supreme to a mortal?Islam encourages peace, human rights, accountability, respect to creeds, economic sanity, respect and mercy for the weak, leadrship by popular choice and not imposition.
Islam encourage dialogue and discourages violence even to animals.
Peace to all
Salaam
Anas Y
Democracyistheanswer
Etched forever in my mind is the sight of signs carried by marchers in the London cartoon protests: “Liberalism go to hell”, “Freedom of expression go to hell.” It was then I began taking the Islamist agenda seriously. Fanatics spout before they attack. Islam from the outset declared war against human rights and human freedom. Bill Warner is right again: Islam is incompatible with democracy. Islam is about slavery and slavery is imposed by jihad. In paradise, Moslems are to receive not only 72 virgins (which all Westerners have heard of), but a minimum of 70,000 slaves each. The best of the Islamic warriors will receive many more than that, we must understand. The heart of the Koran and of Hadiths is jihad. Political Islam is, for that reason, most like fascism, where one ruler has absolute power, as the “successor” (caliph) to Mohammed.
According to Pure Islam, the Sunna and Sharia derived from it are perfect, requiring no voting or consultation of public opinion. They must be imposed on the world, if necessary, against their will. That is real Islam.
jdamn
It’s true. One cannot simultaneously be a Muslim and believe in democracy. Shoot, we Americans were only kidding the first 200 years here after 1776. Islam is an inherently supremacist doctrine. Kafirs are to submit to Muslims and women are to submit to men. Until Muslims can understand that all people are people – and that if anything Muslims are less than human, in that they lack souls, beng necessarily malignantly narcissistic, and have largely inbred themselves to within 3 generations of living in zoos – they can never even fathom democracy. And for them to understand and subscribe the notions of equality and humanity would mean that they are not Muslims.
I can’t stand Zuhdi Jasser. I read Brigitte Gabriel praising him in Frontpage the other day and nearly fell off my couch. His whole stance is that Islam and democracy are indeed compatible. He has contrived a reading of the Koran (forget the Hadith and the Sira – he won’t touch those on the record) by which Islam was never meant to be a political doctrine. Take away the political aspects and all you’re left with is a cult based on hate and nothing else, like Nazism with no grand plans or dreams of empire. He also seems to not understand that Islam has to be political and destructive or it cannot survive. Islam has to parasitize other cultures, and when it does not have other cultures to parasitize it cannibalizes. Furthermore, people have to be forced into Islam because women require either physical duress or a ridiculous amount of brainwashing to buy into it, and I still don’t believe that a single one actually does. Why would a woman choose a Muslim man when she could treated like a human being, exist independently of Sharia sex slavery, live a civilized life, and actually experience love, something of which Muslims are necessarily incapable, as reading the Koran and believing a word of it necessitates malignant narcissism? Plus it’s what’s between the lines in his writings that puts me off. He never mentions abandoning his supremacist mindset. He never mentions that he regards women and kafirs as his equals. He never mentions that he thinks that apostates and homosexuals shouldn’t be killed. All he repudiates is the Sharia criminal code, which even most Islamic paradies refuse to subscribe to, like Egypt and Pakistan (for now). He’s either ridiculously deluded, or he has no concept of democracy just like he has no understanding of Islamic history and much of its doctrine, or more likely, he is furthering a disinformation campaign of the most ingenius sort, on the right side.
Islam and democracy are incompatible. Islam and human rights are incompatible. Islam and humanity are incompatible. Islam and freedom are incompatible. Islam and God are incompatible.