Someone wrote in reply to the “Un-Merry Christmas to the Christians from Islam” newsletter:
Oh My God. How wrong can you be? Please have more knowledge before you say anything.
Most of what you wrote about Islam is wrong. Islam has several verses which contribute to peace on earth and tolerance to all. Some people do not adhere to this and happen to be Muslim so you regard that as consensus. It’s interesting to justify your sense of Islam you bring in Boko Haram and the kidnapping of the Christian girl for blasphemy. (Your average Muslims??). I hold a degree in Islamic studies and am now studying a post grad; so I know what I am talking about. As a Christian myself I know we too have our faults in society but on no account does that represent the mass.
So you hold yourself to be an expert? Well, there are only two experts–Allah and Mohammed. Islam is found in the Koran, Sira and Hadith. Everything else is comment, including your post grad courses.
The “several verses which contribute to peace on earth and tolerance for all” in the Koran are all abrogated by later jihadic verses. The man who does not understand the use of abrogation should not comment about the Koran.
Seek critical study of source texts, not university propaganda. After you have read the Koran in the correct time order (to see the abrogation) and read the Sira by Ishaq or al Tabari and Bukhari, come back and comment. (21% of Bukhari’s hadiths are about murderous jihad.) Master the Sunna of Mohammed and then talk to us.
Look at Mohammed’s life. He preached the religion of Islam in Mecca for 13 years and got 150 Meccans to become Muslims. He moved to Medina and attacked every single neighbor he had, without exception. In his rise to absolute power he was responsible for an event of violence on the average of every 6 weeks for the last 9 years of his life. Peace on earth, what a joke!
Boko Haram jihadists follow pure Medinan Islam. You confuse Muslim-ology with the study of Islam. Start with Islam to understand Muslims. Do not start with Muslims to understand Islamic doctrine.
Another thing about those peaceful believers who make up the mass of Muslims, do you notice that they don’t condemn the murder of Christians? They are silent. Do they teach you in your post grad Islam classes that “silence is consent”?
Have you ever condemned the jihadic murder of Christians? Buddhists? Hindus? Jews? Over 270 million non-Muslims were murdered by jihad over the last 1400 years. And you speak of peace.
Christians who are silent in the face of Islamic jihad against Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindu and atheists are giving consent to this brutality. There have been over 20,000 jihad attacks since 9/11. What noise are you making about that? Silence is consent.
Your apologist education has made you a deluded dhimmi. What is truly tragic is that you represent the pious pacifism of today’s Christians. You are so nice, but you are ruled by fear. It is odd how many Christians live in fear, yet Jesus told his followers, again and again, not to fear. Put down the gospel of nice and take up the Gospel of Christ and take on spiritual warfare.
Oh, and you Jews, take up the mantle of Aaron, Gideon, Deborah and David. Let the Hindus remember the Bhagavad Gita. Let the Buddhists take a lesson from Rinzai Zen.
We either stand together in this civilizational war or we will all be annihilated. See Turkey, Egypt, North Africa, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and the other graveyards of Kafir civilization.
Bill Warner, Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam
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khaleel
America kil millions in Iraq 4oil:Serbs rape Muslim wmen in Bosnia Jews kick out Palestinians nd tek dre land:American drones kill millions in Afghanistan/Pakistan:Israel kills 10,000 Lebanese,Wen Muslims retaliate”Terrorism?”………..Jihad’ is nt holy war.Arabic word 4’holy war’ is ‘harabum muqaddasah’ it nowhr in Qur’an or in any hadith.’holy war’ ws first used 2describe crusades xtians who killed thousands ppl in d nem of xtianity.2day,’holy war’ falsely used 2describe Jihad, which merely means ‘to strive’. In an Islamic context, Jihad means ‘to
strive in the way of Allah for a righteous cause’ i.e. Jihad fi Sabilillah…..Jihad started in d bible,bcs evn Jesus asked his followers 2sell their coats&buy swords.He said he did nt com wit peace,bt rather a sword. He and his companions were engaged in mortal combat with their enemies Pharisees d word “sword” appears over 402 tym in d Bible,bt nt a single In quran
khaleel
DOES ISLAM PROMOTE VIOLENCE? A few selected verses from the Qur’an are often
misquoted to perpetuate the myth that Islam
promotes violence, and exhorts its followers to kill
those outside the pale of Islam.
1. Verse from Surah Taubah The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often
quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam
promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality:
“Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar)
where ever you find them.”
[Al-Qur’an 9:5] 2. Context of verse is during battlefield
Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of
context. In order to understand the context, we
need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that
there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and
the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four
months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to
make amends. Otherwise war would be declared
against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:
“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight
and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize
them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in
every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular
charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-
forgiving, Most merciful.”
[Al-Qur’an 9:5]
This verse is quoted during a battle.
3. Example of war between America and Vietnam We know that America was once at war with
Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the
General of the American Army told the American
soldiers during the war: “Wherever you find the
Vietnamese, kill them”. Today if I say that the
American President said, “Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them” without giving the context, I
will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him
in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound
very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of
the American soldiers during the war.
4. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battle
Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the
Qur’an says, “Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find
them”, during a battle to boost the morale of the
Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim
soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.
5. Shourie jumps from verse 5 to verse 7
Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam
in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah
chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’,
on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realize
that he has skipped verse 6.
6. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer
Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to
the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality
and bloodshed. It says: “If one amongst the pagans asks thee for asylum,
grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah;
and then escort him to where he can be secure that is
because they are men without knowledge.”
[Al-Qur’an 9:6] The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking
asylum during the battle should be granted refuge,
but also that he should be escorted to a secure place.
In the present international scenario, even a kind,
peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let
the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if
the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t
just let them go free, but also escort them to a place
of security?
This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious
Qur’an to promote peace in the world……Do you know that Number of words in the
Noble Quran = 77,439 words. Do you know that word (sword) is mentioned
zero times! Do you know that word (war) is mentioned 4
times ! So percentage of word (war) to the total
number of Quranic words = (4/77,439)x100 = 0.005 % God has mentioned war 0.005% in HIS book
and after that some geniuses come and say
Quran is full of war and violence!
khaleel
Sadly, we have seen Christian Missionary activity
focused primarily on derailing Islam now more
than any other period in history. Thus, we witness
numerous charades and parodies coming from
them in their attempts to twist, manipulate and
outright molest historical and etymological facts. These polemics range from a variety of utterly
hilarious to outright abusive and cruel……Boko haram is not a muslim terror group but it’s a group sponsored by Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) in colaboration with Hostile enemies of Islam the US ,CIA and with support of NIgeria’s Government using some bad eggs amongst Muslims,as a tactics to destroy muslims in d north and give a bad image 2 Islam in d eyes of d world under d supervision of Goodluck Ebele Jonathan. It
was formed to achieve d aims and objectives
Iisted below.(1) They want 2 balance the population of muslims and xtians innigeria.
(2) d stupid president iz 4rom niger delta n he promised his people2 take revenge against northerners concerning Biafran war.(3) They
want 2 discourage young northerners away
from pursuing education in order 2 get d dominance of d country in d future datz why they are taking attack on only northern schools bcos in d next 50 yrs our graduates
will die d remaining will retire, if d younger ones did not come up nobody will talk on our behalf as a result dey can excercise
dominance over muslims.(4) They want 2 discourage our younger ones from participating into Nigerian forces espcially
army and police in order 2 get future power 2
over dominate d muslims, my brothers piz observe dis. In Nigerian army recruitment scheme muslims are getting 50% of d
vacancies while xtians also get 50% but today
muslims can only occupy 5% of our vacancy and dat our remaining of 45% iz being given
2 xtians wich is making a proportion of 95% xtians and only 5% muslims in d Nigerian
army recruitment if dis trend continue lyk dat
4 d next 20 yrs after our eldely armies retired
we cannot enter mosque and pray cos army
will kill us and claim 2 b killing boko haram
member if xtians dominate army and police force d same thing happening in d police
recruitment and Nigeria wil soon turn to
cameroon where xtians made power
restricted and permanent 2 dere side despite
d fact dat muslims are d majority just
because dey are d majority in d army.(5)they started 2
sacrifice their fellow xtians by bombing
churches 2 cover up so dat wen they return
2
killing muslims dey wil say it is we muslims
killing ourself. How many people did they kill in church? Is it not less dan 500 from d
commencement of boko haram? but more
dan 40,000 muslim were killed.(6) my broda
at least 50 muslims are dying in d north
everyday calculate in everyday 50 are dieing
so 50×360 making a year how many muslims
will die in 1year ?and after ten years d whole
muslim in maiduguri, yobe and adamawa
will
be history.(7) if boko haram are muslims hv
u ever c their member arrested and printed on
d news papers?.(8) if boko haram haram are
muslims use ur phone and google dis
question “bombing of madallah church in
Abuja” and “bombing of church in Bayelsa”
u will c d result from some of our most reliable
news papers in d country I.e Leadership and
Dailytrust who werecaught red handed
bombing dos churches is he not a christian?
(9) if boko haram are muslims is there no
muslims in d south why didn’t they become boko haram members why is it dat dere is
no
bomb blast in d south?(10) if muslims are d
boko haram why izt dat wen muhammad
yusuf fomer boko haram leader came back
from Sudi Arabia three famous leaders of CAN
like TY Danjuma, Prof. Jerry Gana and David
Mark went and rcvd dis man from d Airport if
he
is not working 4 them? And if dey Really
consider him as an enemy of xtians? And wen
he was arrested by SSS why those same
people bail him? They are the ones sponsoring ol d crimes….islam is nvr against western education or any knwldge…in fact Islam is d root of dat knwldge bcos Within a few years, great civilizations and universities(1st univ in the world was founded by muslims..muslim founded academic gown e.t.c) Prophet ( pbuh ) said, ‘seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim. Early Muslims made great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics, astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history. Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and also the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics), were founded By muslims and transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam.b4 dey later on killed d scholars,translate dre works nd burnt dem, Sophisticated,muslims founded instruments which were European voyages of discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant and good navigational maps..how then can u Ignorantly think BOKO Haram Is Islamic???……
khaleel
I must remind the Christians that unless they
believe in the absolute unity of God, and
renounce the belief in the three persons, they
are certainly unbelievers in the true God … The
Old Testament and the Qur’an condemn the
doctrine of three persons in God; the New Testament does not expressly hold or defend it,
but even if it contains hints and traces
concerning the Trinity, it is no authority at all,
because it was neither seen nor written by Christ
himself, nor in the language he spoke, nor did it
exist in its present form and contents for – at least – the first two centuries after him.
khaleel
“THE LIES THAT WE (CHRISTIANS) HAVE HEAPED ROUND THIS MAN (MUHAMMAD) ARE DISGRACEFUL TO OURSELVES ONLY.” (Thomas Carlyle, British author) ”
Muhammad is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities.” Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th Edition
“Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Warrior, Conqueror of ideas, the Restorer of rational beliefs, the preacher of a religion without images, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one heavenly Empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards [I repeat, ‘ALL’] by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, “Is there any man greater than he?” (Alphonse Lamartine, French poet)
“I believe that if a man like Mohammad’s caliber were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.” (George Bernard Shaw)
“The greatest crime, the greatest ‘sin’ of Mohammad in the eyes of the Christian West is that he did not allow himself to be slaughtered, to be ‘crucified’ by his enemies. He only defended himself, his family and his followers; and finally vanquished his enemies. Mohammad’s success is the Christians’ gall of disappointment: He did not believe in any vicarious sacrifices for the sins of others.” (Edward Gibbon)
“Mohammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him.” (Diwan Chand Sharma)
“Fellow inhabitants of the planet! Search for the ideal Prophet, who in the 7th century, has shown you the way to total success.” (Lewis Mumford)
“The Christian World came to wage crusades against Muslims but eventually knelt before them to gain knowledge. They were spellbound to see that Muslims were owners of a culture that was far superior to their own. The Dark Ages of Europe were illuminated by nothing but the beacon of Muslim civilization.” (F.J.C. Hearushaw)
“Islam is the only religion that gives dignity to the poor.” (Ramsey Clark, Former U.S. Attorney General)
“Head of State as well as Church, he was Caesar and Pope in One; but he was Pope without the Pope’s pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man ruled by right Divine, it was Muhammad, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life.” Reverend Bosworth Smith in “Muhammad and
Muhammadanism”
“The critics are blind. They cannot see that the only ‘sword’ Muhammad wielded was the sword of mercy, compassion, friendship and forgiveness – the sword that conquers enemies and purifies their hearts. His sword was sharper than the sword of steel. But the biased critics of Islam are prejudicial and partisan, who are narrow minded and whose eyes are covered by a veil of ignorance. They see fire instead of light, ugliness instead of beauty and evil instead of good. They distort and present every good quality as a great vice. It reflects their own depravity.” (Pandit Gyanandra Dev Sharma Shastri)
khaleel
an open minded non-muslim say…Muslims are misunderstood,
willfully
misunderstood. We should all be more like them.
They are pragmatic,
especially with their children. No group is
comparable to the Muslims, who make enormous efforts to teach their children
what is good and what is bad, plus they do not
smoke, do not drink alcohol, [“] they protect their
women, they inspire respect. And what does the
rest of the society try to do? They complain about
them, they oppress them, they criticize them – we would live in a better world if we take their
example. We are not forced to become Muslims, but
we can adopt things that work.”
khaleel
IT IS QUITE TRUE”. USA IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK”..Did you know that America and their CIA were behind every step in TERROR that happened on earth? To some independent thinkers this is not a surprise but to those filled with hatred ,sentiment and bigotry its difficult to accept. The greatest so called terror group on earth might be called Taliban, Al Qaeda e.t.c even thou the media always neglet Tamil Tigers and the rest ,because they not muslims, and the war is directed towards Muslims in oder to go away with the greatest obstacle of Illuminati,but Did you know that Osama Bin Laden was the creation of the US/UK in order to fight and weaken USSR? Decades ago…when you look at every kind of chaos on earth you will see that United States and its western allies resulted it and its their initiative…this is not their first time of targeting Us it happend also years ago they sponsored the “maitatsine” group and causes so much shedding of blood,it was later that the secret got exposed…analysing the curent situation…. how do boko Haram started? Is it really an Islamic group that has the support of Muslims? Does Islam forbids seeking for knowledge as the name bOko haram implies i.e “western education forbidden?” How quickly do you forget the contributions made by firm muslims to western education who founded the core of the knowledge”..Algebra,Algorith,Razes,Avenzoor and many many more, how then will you accept blindly the notion That boko haram is an Islamic sect working on the basis of true teachings of Islam,merely because you are a Non-Muslim?lets see how it works, CIA while tactically taking advantage of growing sectarian violence in Nigeria, recruited jobless so-called Muslims through Muslims and other traditional leaders offering training indirectly to the group by use of foreign based terror groups. Lots of evidence have proven that Boko Haram is nothing than A CIA Covert Operation; and an America’s Destabilization Plots Against Nigeria. If its really Islamic and works with the support of muslims then how come almost all the casualties are from the muslims side killings of Innocents Burning of Mosques and even Assasination Of Islamic Scholars? Damages and almost every effect is felt by muslims, did you ever ask yourself this simple question and answer it sincerely ? it should be recalled that was an attack on UN headquaters why? to attracts international attention. Us has for long infiltrated us and plot to see us divide,they try b all means to achieve the global domination ,they control the media and financial inst. did you really know those behind the assassinations of our patriotic Nigerians I.e Leaders The CIA Assassinated Murtala Muhammed why? he was threatening to hit America with an oil embargo over her support for Apartheid South Africa. He declined an official visit of U.S Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger. General Murtala went to an OAU meeting and said “Africa has come of Age, and will not take instructions from America” what follow him after?
another is Death Of General Sani Abacha. And that Of Chief Moshood Kashimawo Olawale Abiola. Am not just giving you blindly u can check the archives places like wiki ,U.S. Information Service (USIS). The USIS 1976 Country Plan for Nigeria e.t.c i believe the truth will not always remain in grave. Today Nigerians and most expecially the Igbos have openly proved their support for coruption and downfall of Nigeria, this can be seen in their comments…YOU BE THE JUDGE!!!!
For America and Their jewish brothers to achieve their aims it has to be with the help of to mention Just a few amongst the helpers is Orji Uzor Kalu he is a CIA agent Orji Uzor Kalu is the former governor of Abia State from 1999 – 2007. He was a presidential candidate in the election of 2007….IBB Is also aclaimed to be a CIA agent In 1986, the Time Magazine reported that during the Reagan administration, the U.S had the elite commando unit, the SEALS, dispatched to several different countries for covert activities.and they have gotten their agents amongst Us,
one very things we fail to understand about America is their Long term plan, Did you know that the Underwear Bomber Was a False Flag Operation, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab’s Case is a mere pawn in a sophisticated, smoothly executed international political chess game. Some independant bodies have proven it to be an inside Job,but why must the US play such a Game?? REASON-CIA to justify the continued profiling and maltreatment of Muslims and the addition of northern Nigerian Muslims to the list. So Was The Woolwich Attack On 22 May 2013 a British Army Soldier was attacked and killed by two British men with Nigeria descent men near a military Barrack..fellow Nigerians Boko Haram is just a means to an end – disintegration of Nigeria when this is done the US will have great benefit of stealing oil. The main aim of Boko Haram is to stir unrest in Nigeria. When the unrest is at its peak, the crisis with be made an international issues and the US will call for a UN intervention. The main beneficiary will of course be the United States..
and we must admit that they succeeded in indoctrinating many Nigerians to believe boko haram is working to install Islamic Sharia e.t.c this is what the media keep propagating anyway they are setup to defend the interest of the Govt…..
Did you know that Thirty years ago, nothing like terrorism or Alqaeda? Did you know that Iraq was invaded because there was an (intelligence) report that Saddam was in possession of Weapons of Mass Destruction but when the invasion was over, no traces of such weapons was found, and that more than 1.5 Iraqis, 90% of them civilians lost their lives?….I may go on-and-on explaining how the US plan and execute its deadly foreign policies and imposing imperialism in this world…Someone may wish to dig deep and find out why all
such terrors are happening in our present world. Some wicked people are really controlling the minds of people today.They preach democracy around the world but
cannot accept real liberation “They invite the thief to steal and at the same time ask the owner to arrest”..All they do is to divide and rule..this is what the Us does,
its very funny the way some ignorant Nigerians were buried in lies by Confessions Of A Captured Boko Haram Terrorists like Halliru e.t.c.. Its been in circulation for longer than that, an imbecilic concoction of lies, a campaign of columny designed to discredit certain northerners who were perceived as threat/ rivals to GEJ when you listen to such testimonies you will realize that everything about it is a lie,Not quite long A fake video of 2 boko haram members was shown on NTA which was later denied by Boko Haram. they said it was the security men who fabricated it..why and how? Is it that Govement are really behind moreso Why are christians involved in bombing churches themselves in the name of boko haram? We really now have to rethink. But the most surprefczising thing is that the Federal Govt and CAN should explain this to the Muslims and really appologise to the Muslims.my advice to my reader is Before blindly accepting what the TV, radio or newspaper is reporting, you should think critically about what is being reported. Is this being reported accurately, or is it being exaggerated or even completely fabricated? Who are these people reporting the news, and do they have vested interests to report the story in a certain way, or are they completely objective and fair? Critical thinking is very important in all aspects of life, especially when it comes to accepting the media reports
about important and controversial issues.
Before you hate Islam or connect boko Haram with it, try to know about it from reliable sorces let not its hatred prevent you from knowing the truth , Islam is a religion that promotes peace and understanding among people of all faiths, non-Muslims regard Islam as a religion that promotes violence, terrorism and war. Unfortunately, they rely in their view of Islam on the general media, which is not always accurate in reporting the news. They are influenced by their investors or owners who have certain agendas and who want to promote certain values and points of view.war is only permissible in self defence in Islam u can check the sources in Islam. it is a great sin to kill an innocent person, and anyone who does so will suffer great torment in the hereafter: God said in the Quran “So We decreed for the tribe of Israel that if someone kills another person – unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth – it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another
person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth. (Qur’an 5: 32) As we can see from the verse, killing one innocent person is regarded as equivalent to
killing all of mankind.
In another verse, the importance that the faithful attach to life is
expressed in these terms: “Those who do not call on any other god together with Allah and do not kill anyone God has made inviolate, except with the right to do so, and do not fornicate; anyone who does that will receive an evil punishment” (Qur’an 25: 68. how can one then justify the activities of boko haram with Islam?? Prophet Muhammad pbuh lived with Non-muslims even as his close Neighbours he never cheat on them nor force them to accept Islam,even thou they keep displaying their bad charater to him yet he displayed his good character to them,
a Muslim is taught to live peacfully with anyone, even non-muslims are to be treated justly Islamically, Quran says “God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)” Boko haram are busy kiiling innocent people while authentic teachings of islam prevents such Noble Verse 5:32 “…if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people…”… In this Noble Verse we clearly see that God Almighty honours all the innocent souls that He created. Killing any innocent soul is so hated by Allah Almighty that He considers it as a crime against all of Mankind..there is no religious book on earth that honours human life as Quran does anyone can check his faith textbook so that we can see whether he can comeup with somethings ,”we ought to understand our common enemy and not remain under the cloud of ignorance,the real source of evil is the masonry and its ally who really are they? Why are they after Us? Executing crimes against humanity may God grant us deeper understanding.
khaleel
PLEASE PONDER!
Insulting Leaders or speaking Evil of them is Un-Islamic,but at least G.Ebele is not legally our Leader, he is not actually elected as President by majority of Nigerians,but declared winner through rigging and Manipulations…..Its very pathetic the way Gej manage to sell religious and tribal sentiments to his tribe and faith, that they could hold unto power and continue their looting. It is quite unfortunate that some of us cannot see beyond our nose..Islam is against killing Innocent souls.. Whoever kills is Judged as one who Kills Humanity, its amongst the Major sins in Islam to Kill An innocent soul, recompense for such is Hellfire, war is only permissible in self-defence …so Please they should not fool Us with this trash in the Name Of Islam…..Jonathan is a pathological liar! Is it the International community that supplies “Boko Haram” with brand new Toyota Hilux jeeps painted in military colours and the Weapons, Bombs Ak47 e.t.c? And is it the International community that commands Nigerian soldiers to
disappear from check points for “Boko Haram” to pass and operate for up to six hours unhindered? And is it the International Community that supplies “Boko Haram” with heavy arms and Food using military helicopters? Let him just confess the truth that “Boko Haram” is an agenda of himself and the PDP and CAN to perpetuate their evil rule! thou Islamaphobia is a Worldwide plot of Connecting Islam with Terrorism, to supress it, cause Hatred and gain way of Infusing Satanic idears Amongst people,Yet as A concerned Muslim and a Northerner, The hide and seek game being played by Goodluck Jonathan and those who are sponsoring the dreaded sect, Boko Haram,to Shed Blood and remain in power and tactically Fighting Islam, damaging its image and killing Muslims,sending thousands to their early grave is Enough..the Media Doesnt always tell the truth, We Must feel it,oppose it and Stand against It! we Might be their next Target. Surely they are right within Bauchi State, awaiting commmand to execute Massacres as they are doing at Borno And Yobe states.May God save us from their mischievous activities and disrupt all their plans, Gej and his crew wishes to Humiliate Muslims and distant them from progressing.thus Be their Plan.. They are busy making nasty comments and plots on Us nothing good comes from them but evil. Imagine,95% of Federal Appointments as heads of Parastatals are Christians! 70% of his Ministers are Christians, in a country that has Muslim Majority. But when it comes to Poverty and Illiteracy the North stand the First..where are they driving us to? When will our Elites understand their hypocrisy?……..or is it because they too are Cultist,ritualist,Hypocrites,Satanist,Dajjalist’s e.t.c? I now support the Motion which says “Manyan Arewa Ba dattawan Kirki bane”
I stand to Be Corrected!
Administrator saviorofmankind.com
Dr. Warner does a good job of warning about the dangers of the fanatics who commit their atrocities in the name of Islam, the mistake he makes is teaching that what they are doing is justified by the Quran, Hadith and Sira literature.
I downloaded Dr. Warner’s sample of his Quran translation and anyone can confirm this for themselves by going to http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=3&verse=20 for an essentially literal translation into English. They do a generally good job although as you will see, they get some words and tenses wrong. But if you look at the Syntax and morphology column the description of the tense is often correct even though the actual translation isn’t.
The first verse in the sample is 3:20 and his translation is as follows:
3:20 If they argue with you, then say: I have surrendered myself entirely to Allah, as have my followers. Say to the People of the Book and to the ignorant: “Do you surrender to Allah?” If they become Muslims, then they will be guided to the right path, but if they reject it, then your job is only to warn them. Allah watches over all His servants.
And here is a literal translation:
Then if they argue with you, then say, “I have submitted myself to Allah and those who follow me.” And say to those who were given the Book, and the ummiyeen, “Have you submitted yourselves?” Then if they submitted then surely they are guided. But if they turn back then only on you is to convey. And Allah is All-Seer of His slaves.
It doesn’t say People of the Book, that is an extrapolation or interpretation.
What is translated as ignorant can be translated as illiterate but ummiyeen can also mean the people of Umm and in this case the name for Mecca in the Quran is always Umm al-Qura. So ummiyeen can either mean illiterate or people of Mecca and people of Mecca is certainly completely consistent with this context.
It doesn’t say if they become Muslims (future tense), although Muslims are those who submit. To say “Muslim” is once again an extrapolation. It says if they submitted (past tense), then they are guided (past tense) not will be guided (future tense). Do tenses matter? Absolutely, the difference here is that the reason they submitted to God is that they were guided whereas in Dr. Warner’s translation it says that if they become Muslim, then they will be guided. Which is a strange thing to say. Strange why? Because this is the twisted mentality and ideology of the Wahhabi/Salafi extremists who twist and misrepresent the Quran to justify their atrocities. To say become Muslim and then be guided is their message, why is Dr. Warner legitimizing it by presenting this mistranslated Quran? And it doesn’t say straight path. This is completely added. And please confirm this yourself and ask why are words completely added in a translation meant to give the truth of Islam to save the Western world?
It doesn’t say warn, it says convey. Simply more proof of the lack of literal translation in Dr. Warner’s offering.
It doesn’t say watches, it says that God is the All-Seer. Slave is literal but servant is often used.
And so in just the first verse of Dr. Warner’s sample it contains all of these errors: added words, mistranslated words, incorrect tenses. And the result is to change the message.
So what would be the point of anyone reading Dr. Warner’s Quran translation if their goal is to understand what the Quran really says? Granted, English translations of the Quran are very poor in general, and you can add Dr. Warner’s Quran to the list of poor translations that can only mislead.
Ralph
During my study of Muhammad and his Islam over the past many months, I have wondered why Muslim people rigorously refer to Muhammad as “the Prophet” and why each reference to him is rigorously accompanied by either “PBUH” or something else like “may the peace and blessings of God be upon him”.
Recently, I discovered fully-documented answers for my questions in the book, “Muhammad, The Prophet of Islam” by John Gilchrist.
Chapter 5 is “The Legend: Muhammad in Popular Islam” which may be downloaded or read online at:
http://answering-islam.org/authors/gilchrist/muhammad/chapter5.html
If you wish to fully understand the true motivations for a Muslim person’s deep and essential (non-optional) veneration of Muhammad, you should read all of Chapter 5. The key phrase is “intercession of Muhammad on the day of judgement”. Below are a few excerpts from Chapter 5 that I chose in order to tell the essential story.
“…In time it became fashionable to define Muhammad as well with ninety-nine names, in this case the titles being known as al-asma ash-sharifa, “the noble names”, which parallel the names of Allah. After reciting each name a faithful Muslim must recite the tasliya, “may the peace and blessings of God be upon him” (sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam). These names are regarded with awe and reverence and are recited with keen religious esteem…”
“…Not only is the name of Muhammad revered throughout the Muslim world but his very personality is regarded as a perfect archetype of human conduct and behaviour. For centuries faithful Muslims have sought to emulate the sunnah of the Prophet, namely his way of life and example…”
“…Yet to myriads of Muslims there is something far more important than emulating his behaviour as a means of gaining favour with Allah and that is the hope of the Prophet’s intercession on the Day of Judgment when the sins and secrets in the hearts of all men will be revealed and judged accordingly…”
“…To ensure Muhammad’s intercession it is essential that a faithful Muslim implore the blessings of Allah upon the Prophet. The Qur’an states that Allah and his angels send their blessings on him and Muslims will actually never mention his name without some salutation of peace and will, through many prescribed prayers, invoke their own request for the favour of Allah upon him. “Bless our master Muhammad and grant him mediation and merit and high rank and that praiseworthy station which you have promised him” is a typical prayer of this kind…”
“…In all this Muhammad becomes absolutely central to the hopes, desires, convictions and yearnings of the average Muslim. Over the many centuries of Islam his image has taken on messianic proportions and, while all Muslims will boldly state that they worship Allah alone and that their prophet was only a faithful messenger, it is obvious that his status in the world of Islam is such as to place him almost as an essential mediator between Allah and his people…”
Ralph
When objectively considering the origin of today’s Qur’an, two questions can be asked:
1) What was the true source of the ideas that are found in today’s Qur’an?
2) Is the text of today’s Qur’an the same as the original text of 1400 years ago?
Regarding the first question about today’s Qur’an:
In my previous comment of 30 January 2013, I asserted — using scholarly evidence — that some ideas within Islam’s Qur’an were derived from various sources that became available to Muhammad during his lifetime, and all other ideas were produced by Muhammad himself to justify his personal activities, including jihad. Objective, scholarly, textual evidence reveals that the Qur’an was not divinely sent down to Muhammad.
Regarding the second question about today’s Qur’an:
I read a book by John Gilchrist that can be downloaded or read online at http://answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/index.html …
“Jam’ Al-Qur’an – The Codification of the Qur’an Text
A Comprehensive Study of the Original Collection of the Qur’an Text and the Early Surviving Qur’an Manuscripts”, MERCSA, 1989, Publisher: MERCSA, P.O. Box 342, Mondeor, 2110, Republic of South Africa, Reprinted in England by T.M.F.M.T. P.O. Box 986 Rowley Regis, Warley West Midlands B65 DU, UK
In Chapter 6 is one of many conclusions from the book’s author…
“The Qur’an text as it is read and printed throughout the Muslim world today is only Zaid’s version of it, duly corrected where necessary, later amended by al-Hajjaj, and read according to one of seven approved different readings. This is the reality – a far cry from the popular sentiment which argues for a single text right from the time of Muhammad himself. The reality, however, based on all the evidences available, shows that the single text as it stands today was only arrived at through an extended process of amendments, recensions, eliminations and an imposed standardisation of a preferred text at the initiative of a subsequent caliph and not by prophetic direction or divine decree.”
“The Qur’an is an authentic text to the extent that it largely retains the material initially delivered by Muhammad. No evidence of any addition to the text exists and, in respect of the vast number of variant readings and missing passages that have been recorded, there does not appear to be anything actually affecting or contradicting the basic content of the book. In this respect one can freely assume a relative authenticity of the text in the sense that it adequately retains the gist and content of what was originally there. On the contrary there is no basis in history, facts or the evidences for the development of the text to support the cherished hypothesis that the Qur’an has been preserved absolutely intact to the last dot and letter.”
Ralph
Muslim people falsely believe that the Qur’an is intrinsically perfect and universal, and was divinely sent down to Muhammad, and has forever been preserved without error. That view is sweetly-sentimental but not realistic.
Competent, scholarly, referenced research that was completed more than a century ago — using many historical documents from many cultures — revealed that the Qur’an was not divinely sent down to Muhammad as he claimed.
When I searched for the word “derivative” on this website (using the SEARCH box in the upper-right corner), I found within many articles a statement similar to:
“The only original ideas found in the Koran are that Mohammed is the prophet of Allah and if you do not believe it jihad can be used to convince you. Everything else is derivative.”
That particular statement is found at https://politicalislam.com/store/six-views-of-islam/product/the-sources-of-islam/ The year-1901 printed book — shown at that location — can be read online or downloaded as a PDF file.
The same 1901 book can be read online or downloaded at http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Tisdall/Sources0/index.htm
The 1905 updated version of that 1901 book is a much-longer document. It can be read online or downloaded at http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Tisdall/Sources/index.htm
I read the 1905 version of Tisdall’s book in its entirety. Many existing religious ideas — including heretical ones that Christians have rejected as being inconsistent with the truth about Jesus the Messiah — were apparently available to Muhammad from many sources, and he apparently used them to progressively create his Islam as he desired or saw fit.
It appears to me that Muhammad became strongly convinced that some beliefs and activities in his world needed to be fixed. In attempting to fix those beliefs and activities to make his world better, it appears to me that Muhammad progressively came to believe that “the end justifies the means.” Muhammad’s morality slid downhill, and he dragged the morality of other people downhill with him. Trying to bring people into alignment with his version of monotheism by means of threats and violent jihad was appallingly-misguided. The end did not justify the means. Both the end and the means were tragedies. If he wanted to fix things in his world, he needed to operate according to the golden rule, but he did not do that.
The following insightful, extremely-candid (non-dhimmi, non-politically-correct) statement came from Chapter 6 of Tisdall’s 1905 book — it was the author’s conclusion more than a century ago.
“All this being considered, it is clear that, although Muhammad borrowed religious practices, beliefs, and legends from various different sources, yet he combined them in some measure into one more or less consistent whole, thus producing the religion of Islam. Some parts of this are good, and Islam contains certain great truths, borrowed from other systems of religion, which in a measure account for its continued existence in the world. But it certainly does not contain a single new or lofty religious conception, and its general tone is all too faithful a reflexion [sic] of the carnal and sensual nature of its founder. To use an Oriental simile is not perhaps inappropriate in speaking of such a thoroughly local and Oriental religion as Muhammadanism. Islam therefore may aptly be compared with:
“That bituminous lake where Sodom flamed,”
which, receiving into its bosom the waters of many streams that, thus united, assume the shape and form of its basin, turns them all into one great widespread Sea of Death, from whose shores flee pestilential exhalations destructive to all life within reach of their malign influence. Such is Islam. Originating from many different sources and receiving into it certain elements of truth, it has assumed its form from the character and disposition of Muhammad; and thus the good in it serves only to recommend and preserve the evil which renders it a false and delusive faith, a curse to men and not a blessing ” one that has turned into deserts many of the fairest regions of the earth, that has, even in our own days, deluged many a land with innocent blood, and has smitten with a moral, intellectual, and spiritual blight every nation of men which lies under its iron yoke and groans beneath its pitiless sway.”
This website and many other websites like it exist in direct response to the pervasive, lethal blight that was described by scholar Tisdall more than a century ago.
Islam is not the only pervasive, lethal blight that exists in the world today; but it is unique because its protected, fairly-benign, religious aspect is inextricably bound to its extremely-dangerous, insidious, political aspect. It is that inextricable binding which makes Islam insidious.
Ralph
I re-read two, very-long discussions that I had first read at least once some months ago. They are extremely valuable for many reasons. They reveal thought processes and discussion methods of both Muslim and non-Muslim experts.
You will encounter superb wit, bulletproof logic, absurd argument, sidetracking, apology, accusation, hyper-wordiness, and even great intellectual humor in places. I sometimes laughed heartily at the interchanges.
Bill’s explanations are crystal-clear. You will appreciate and be impressed by what he and Jamie and Robert and Abul state.
1) https://politicalislam.com/the-fictional-mohammed/
2) https://politicalislam.com/a-new-koran/
Ralph
Below is a clarified, improved version of the last paragraph in my previous post:
Forced conversions are not real. They don’t bring people into real, personal relationships with the true God. All they can do is pump up the pride and self-confidence of the misguided one who is doing the forcing.
Muhammad apparently didn’t understand the gentle calling and drawing of people that the true God of love does; or if he did understand it, he apparently chose to bypass God’s method and use intimidation instead in order to achieve rapid conversions to his Islam, perhaps resulting in the elevation of his own pride and self-confidence at the success of his personal method.
Rapid conversions didn’t prove anything about the intrinsic value of Islam itself. They only proved that intimidation worked to superficially re-educate people.
Ralph
When Muhammad and his companions — during their years in power at Medina — called the “unbelievers” to accept Islam, they expected the intimidated people to either convert to Islam or fight. Muhammad’s intimidating way was not the quiet way in which the true God of love works with people when calling and drawing them unto Himself.
That is one of several reasons why I assert that Muhammad was a confused man who did not exhibit the marks of a true prophet of the true God of love. He was mistaken about his own prophet-hood, and hundreds of millions of other people have paid an exorbitant price for that mistake.
I have drawn similar conclusions about other so-called prophets after Muhammad, who were also mistaken. All so-called prophets who came after Jesus the Savior were unnecessary. Jesus had already done everything that was needed for the redemption of humankind, hundreds of years earlier. As Jesus Himself said, “It is finished.”
Jesus completed everything that was necessary for the redemption of the world when he was born as had been predicted centuries beforehand in the Old Testament, when He lived a perfect life, when He was unjustly crucified and put to death, when He was resurrected from the dead in a glorified body, and when He then ascended to His place of glory where He is now the refuge and strength for all people who will rely on Him, trust Him and cling to Him.
Muhammad should have simply learned the true story of Jesus the Savior, and then he should have told that true story to people, as any Christian missionary does and as the apostles of Jesus had done hundreds of years earlier. And then Muhammad should have let God work in His own time with the people to bring them to a position of trust in Himself; but Muhammad didn’t do that. Muhammad’s way was not the way of the true God of love.
Muhammad was mistaken, even as many other misguided people throughout history have been mistaken when they have tried to force other people to convert to their way of thinking, with disastrous results. Muhammad was not alone in making that mistake. It reminds me of the re-education camps that have been created by totalitarian rulers for political dissidents.
Forced conversions are not real. All they do is pump up the pride of the misguided one who is doing the forcing. Muhammad didn’t understand the gentle calling and drawing of people that the true God of love does; or if he did understand it, he accepted the bolstering of his pride after observing all of the rapid conversions to his Islam. Rapid conversions didn’t prove anything about the intrinsic value of Islam itself. It only proved that intimidation worked to superficially re-educate people.
Democracyistheanswer
Finally! President Obama has just called Egyptian President Morsi on the Koranic slanders of ‘pigs and apes’. I applaud the courage to denounce Islamic bigotry.
One can hope President Obama will start reading the CSPI website and learn about foundational Islam, rather than mere Muslim-ology!
CSPI is essential reading for all politicians.
Johnathan T.Read
Thanks but No Thanks to Islamic culture
In his 2009 Cairo speech,US President Barack Hussein Obama said, “Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.”
He neglected to mention that Islam also gave us the barbaric female genital mutilation, honor killings, unrestricted rape of women captives or those considered immorally dressed, stoning for the crime of adultery, limb amputations for theft, murder for leaving their religion, murder for offending their religion, sex with children, sex with animals, sex with dead people, modern day slavery, unrestricted savage acts of terrorism in the name of jihad,instituting second class status for non Muslims and on and on and on.
Obama also stated that the “future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”
Surely he forgot that Islam slanders and blasphemes every other Religion.
Hopefully the future will belong to those that reveal Islam for what it really is and stop it’s aim of global domination. If not then there is no future for humanity as we know it.
London Jim
Keep up the good work, Mr Warner. Kind regards, Jim.
steffen Larsen
The heartrending effusion “oh my God” followed by earnest and most sincere corrections is one I have seen a few times before this, accompanied by a claim to be a Christian, a claim I have always considered to be quite doubtful.
But then, there ARE some Christians who watch the Muslim strictness re apostates and the totality of religion in daily matters with some envy, and they are willing to defend Islam from the simple dictum that any religion is better than no religion.
Mark Bernadiner
“Great” muslim inventions:
Muhammad, founder of Islam and author of Koran, was mentally sick psychopath and pedophile, he had married a 6-year old girl and raped her when she was 9. Muhammad could not read and write. While in seizure, he uttered disjointed phrases, which his followers represented as Allah divine afflatus. This is the history of Islam that muslims and “honest and free” western media would not like you to know. These facts show that islam is not a religion, but a cult.
Read: “History of Middle Ages” Professor Nikolay A. Osokin, Textbook (in Russian), Publishing house: Imperial University Printing Office, Kazan, 1888, 771 pp.; Publisher: ACT, Harvest, Moscow, 2008, 672 pp. (reprint)
In his Cairo speech, Obama accredited to arabs all fundamental inventions human race made over centuries. None of the Obama mentioned is true, as every person graduated from credible high school knows. However, it does not mean that arabs, great nation with centuries of history, has no inventions critical for human life. They have and here they are:
1. Ethnic Cleansing – invented centuries ago, implemented over 2000 years ago in Israel when they occupied Israel and disseminated Jews around the world; from 1948 through 1953 arab countries expelled a million Jews and stole their properties; in 1974, Turkish armed forces invaded Cyprus, captured 36 percent of its territory, partitioned the island, implemented a policy of “ethnic cleansing” and sent close to 200,000 Greek Cypriots southward as refugees who lost their property, desecrated churches and cemeteries, and in 1983 declared the northern Turkish Republic of Cyprus; in 1999, Kosovo Liberation Army stormed homes of the last 15 Jews in Kosovo’s capital, who had to clear out, with just the clothes on their backs; recently, Jews in Yemen were under attack and have been relocated to Britain.
2. Genocide – invented by Turks and implemented in 1915-1917 in Armenia: over 1.5 mln. Armenians, including children, died. Currently, Turkey commits Kurdish Genocide: In 1937-1938, approximately 50,000-70,000 Alevi Kurds were killed. In 1990, Turkish military virtually wiped from the map 3,000 Kurdish villages in Turkey, representing the displacement of more than 378,000 people. Turkey denies Kurdish right for independence, self-determination and all human rights and continues killing Kurds on daily basis in Turkey, Iraq and Syria.
3. Holocaust – invented by Haj Amin al Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, in 1920s in Palestine (occupied territory of the State of Israel); implemented in Palestine in 1920s-30s; in 1941, Haj Amin al Husseini brought the Holocaust idea to Hitler and helped him to implement Holocaust in Europe 1941-45; he organized in Europe two islamofascist brigades that operated under SS control, had their own concentration camp, and killed tens of thousand of Europeans, including Jews.
Islam is based on three fundamental principles:
1. Stealing
2. Killing, and
3. Lying
Koran says:
“Slay them wherever you find them. Fight against them till idolatry is no more and God’s religion reigns supreme” (Sura 2:190),
“Seek out your enemies relentlessly” (Sura 4:103),
“Make war on them till idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme” (Sura 8:36),
“When the sacred months are over slay the unbelievers wherever you find them. Arrest them, beseige them and lie in ambush everywhere for them” (Sura 9:5),
“Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you” (Sura 9:121),
“When you meet the unbelievers on the battlefield strike off their heads” (Sura 47:3),
“Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate” (Sura 66:7).
Koran is Islamic Mein Kamf. Islam is fascist cult and must be eliminated from the earth.
Ralph
Islam’s political ideology must be understood if the events in the Middle East are to be understood.
It is impossible to reach correct conclusions about the past and current Middle East conflicts without a true understanding of the non-whitewashed, non-sugar-coated Sunna and utterances of Muhammad.
Such a true understanding will disclose Islam’s intrinsic imperialistic, supremacist ideology that developed in the Medinan era. It is that ideology and its appendages that cause the perpetual problems in the Middle East and prevent true peace from growing.
If Islam’s intrinsic ideology is softened, true peace can grow. No true peace can grow in the presence of imperialism and supremacism.
The problem is the ideology that controls the people. The problem is not the people themselves. Genetics is not the problem.
Kevin Bjornson
Your analysis of Islam is correct. Your list of those who should oppose Islam appears limited to devotees of other religions. As if religious belief were inevitable, and choosing any other major religion is necessarily OK.
The elephant in your room? You forget we are all humans, and everything we do is a product of our human nature interacting with external reality. We achieve good through fulfillment of our human potential. We may know reality through the use of our human reason. Therefore humanism is the proper answer to religion gone murderous.
By offering up competing religions as the antidote, you put yourself in a weak position in relation to the threat. Like the”me too” Republicans who offer a discounted version of “socialism” (thuggism), as if they were merchants in a bazaar offering their shopworn goods for 10% less than the competition.
Call Me Mom
Denial kills and so many are in denial about the truth of islam.
madhu
This headline is so true. Mercy to the guilty is in fact cruelty and rape of the innocents. I am a survivor and I know the pain islam has caused to non muslims so I appreciate your title.
Paul T
___ “You confuse Muslim-ology with the study of Islam.”
Bingo.
Just one quibble, however. Why not state that Islam has THREE experts, Allah, Gabriel, and Muhammad? To construe Islamic expertise in this way would be useful for teaching the ignorant, e.g. “Friend”, about the rudiments of Islam and about its founder’s alleged mystical experiences. And surely if Islam were true, Gabriel would be one of its experts.
“Say, ‘Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel – it is [none but] he who has brought the Qur’an down upon your heart, [O Muhammad], by permission of Allah , confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers.’ ”
-Koran 2:97 (http://quran.com/2)